A fiasco in the making? As the coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data By John P.A. Ioannidis March 17, 2020

the same Fauci who said less than two weeks ahead of Trump's travel ban it wasn't a big concern to the US or some other Fauci? the same Fauci that said no need for masks then said wear masks? Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

Fauci did change his opinion on some things. CV19 was new Virus. Fauci was correct to have Trump shut things down and put in social distancing to control the spread. Otherwise a lot more than 105,00 people would have died.

And the DPST's are not happy at all about loosening up their totalitarian control of forcible home imprisonemnt - and for those who ventured out - arrest and imprisonemnt in jails where Wuhan virus runs rampant as punishment.

With closing of Police Departments on the agenda now - DPST's see violent revolution as a reality in the near future.

And the ... Originally Posted by oeb11

Putting in the social distance measures to control the spread saved lives. Iovannidis was wrong, his calculation was off by 90,000 people.

The professor needs to make an adjustment to his equation.

And -
but, but, but - "Russian collusion"!!!!

Putting in the social distance measures to control the spread saved lives. Iovannidis was wrong, his calculation was off by 90,000 people.

The professor needs to make an adjustment to his equation. Originally Posted by adav8s28

His equations were far closer than your DemPanic "projections".

"a" - is welcome to write to Professor Ioaniddis - at Stanford - but No - will just take pot-shots from the shelter of the basement.

... Fauci was correct to have Trump shut things down and put in social distancing to control the spread. Otherwise a lot more than 105,00 people would have died. Originally Posted by adav8s28

What's the phrase for that? Oh, wait. I know. That's Ridiculous BS! Or is it Total Garbage? Or maybe a bit of both... But if it makes you feel better, shows us your proof.

Putting in the social distance measures to control the spread saved lives.... Originally Posted by adav8s28

What happened to 2.2 MILLION projected deaths n the US?

Wishful thinking on the part of the DPST's - But they now have a new "cause" to bandy about - "down with cops"!!!
Abolish police - and of course will cure all America's ailments - their narrative tells them so!

Wishful thinking on the part of the DPST's - But they now have a new "cause" to bandy about - "down with cops"!!!
Abolish police - and of course will cure all America's ailments - their narrative tells them so! Originally Posted by oeb11

Wonder when they will realize that losing really is their bag - baby.

His equations were far closer than your DemPanic "projections".
Originally Posted by eccielover

Numbnuts, that is not true. I did not make any projections with just 1% of the USA population getting infected. Here is the calculation by Iovannidis.

If we assume that case fatality rate among individuals infected by SARS-CoV-2 is 0.3% in the general population — a mid-range guess from my Diamond Princess analysis — and that 1% of the U.S. population gets infected (about 3.3 million people), this would translate to about 10,000 deaths.

From real data the with one percent of the population getting infected you had 100,000 deaths. The professor was off by 90,000 people. Therefore, the death rate can't be .3%, it must be higher. If he had used a death rate of 1%, 30,000 people would have died, but 100,000 people died.

If you are going for herd immunity between 60-70 percent of the population has to get infected. Link has been posted already.

.70 * 330,000,000 = 231,000,000
.01 * 231,000,000 = 2,300,000

To reach herd immunity 2,300,000 people would die. This is not dempanic. This is using real numbers with Iovannidis's equation.

This is why Fauci and others advised Trump to shut things down.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ses-in-us.html

Numbnuts, that is not true. I did not make any projections with just 1% of the USA population getting infected. Originally Posted by adav8s28

No not 1%. At almost exactly the same time as Loannidis made his projections you were hanging your hat on 3% and projecting 6 million deaths.

Now almost 3 months later, we are at 115K.

6 million certainly sounds like DemPanic to me.

It ranked right up there with saying a fever of 100.4 was indicative of Wuhan Virus over the flu.

Shameful how the Lib DPST's are desperate to inflate the death rate from the Wuhan virus as a play to "Help biden" in Nov elections.

By then - biden likely will be too senile to know what an election is.



Just a note - EL - i believe it was the departed (to the Band0 medical expert fireman j66 who insisted he was correct when he wrot that a temperature of 103 ( cannot remember exactly the number0 - was "diagnostic" of Wuhan virus

I am sure the argument was over the term "diagnostic".
Sorry - not to split hairs with U.

Just a note - EL - i believe it was the departed (to the Band0 medical expert fireman j66 who insisted he was correct when he wrot that a temperature of 103 ( cannot remember exactly the number0 - was "diagnostic" of Wuhan virus

I am sure the argument was over the term "diagnostic".
Sorry - not to split hairs with U. Originally Posted by oeb11

Nope, sorry, it was little "a". I remember it well and the term was "would indicate".

It was at that same time he was touting his 3% DemPanic.

The thermometer will only indicate that you have an infection. It can't tell you what caused the infection. If your temp is above 100.4 degrees Farenheidt that would indicate COVID-19 instead of seasonal flu. A doctor won't give a diagnosis on that.

If 3% is not the number then what is? Originally Posted by adav8s28

So Ioaniddis is looking to end up maybe being closer than he even expected.

Will this quell the DemPanickers out there. Sadly I think not.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/co...?ocid=msedgdhp

Coronavirus may have infected 10 times more Americans than reported, CDC says
By Steve Holland

WASHINGTON, June 25 (Reuters) - Government experts believe more than 20 million Americans could have contracted the coronavirus, 10 times more than official counts, indicating many people without symptoms have or have had the disease, senior administration officials said.

The estimate, from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, is based on serology testing used to determine the presence of antibodies that show whether an individual has had the disease, the officials said.

The officials, speaking to a small group of reporters on Wednesday night, said the estimate was based on the number of known cases, between 2.3 million and 2.4 million, multiplied by the average rate of antibodies seen from the serology tests, about an average of 10 to 1.

"If you multiply the cases by that ratio, that's where you get that 20 million figure," said one official.

If true, the estimate would suggest the percentage of U.S. deaths from the disease is lower than thought. More than 120,000 Americans have died from the disease since the pandemic erupted earlier this year.

The estimate comes as government officials note that many new cases are showing up in young people who do not exhibit symptoms and may not know they have it.

Officials said young people with no symptoms, but who are in regular contact with vulnerable populations, should proactively get tested to make sure they do not spread it.

"We have heard from Florida and Texas that roughly half of the new cases that are reporting are people under the age of 35, and many of them are asymptomatic," one official said.

The CDC has sent 40 response teams to help deal with the outbreaks, they said.

More than 36,000 new cases of COVID-19 were recorded nationwide on Wednesday, just shy of the record 36,426 on April 24, concentrated on states that were spared the brunt of the initial outbreak or moved early to lift restrictions aimed at curbing the virus' spread.