Obama gives away oil to Russia

Rand not Ron

or does Rand have a doctorate too?

http://media.photobucket.com/image/r...aBaggers-1.jpg Originally Posted by CJ7

That's a funny sign, CBJ7! I like that.

OK, let's take what Rand Paul said:

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/0...ctor-payments/

Simple cuts to Medicare in the form of reduced payment to doctors is unacceptable. He said it, and I agree with it. But what part of REPLACE/REFORM do you not understand? Dr. Paul DID NOT address what he would do to replace/reform Medicare. He wasn't asked about that. He simply said making doctors take lower reimbursement for services rendered is not acceptable. Originally Posted by mastermind238

yada yada yada... you went there so lets go there.

Medicare specifically.

the HC bill takes 32 million people off medicare and puts them in the insurance pool ... thats totally unacceptable to the tea party because of constitutional issues ...

from a tea party standpoint, yes or no?

Social Security and Medicare need reform. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not dealing in reality. We need to keep it going for those who are counting on it now, and in the near future, but at a certain age citizens need to be told to either make their own plans, or come up with a sustainable government plan.

Yes, RAND PAUL is a physician - an ophthalmologist, to be specific.

And maybe some of you can keep this up all day, but really...

It's DISHONEST to say Tea Partiers oppose cuts to Medicare. It is HONEST to say that Tea Partiers favor REFORM/REPLACEMENT, and if that means cuts to the existing program (for young workers far from retirement) to help fund a replacement, then so be it. But cuts just to make cuts, ESPECIALLY when the cuts are meant as an accounting gimmick to make Obamacare look good? NO.

Now if you'll excuse me I need to get back to work.

No one wants to cut Social Security or Medicare from those who need it now, or who will need it in the near future. If you're saying that, you're lying, and if you believe that, you're stupid.

No one wants to cut Social Security or Medicare from those who need it now, or who will need it in the near future. If you're saying that, you're lying, and if you believe that, you're stupid. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

It would be helpful if you'd quote from a post, or at least identify which poster you're addressing. Since this was directly under my post, I might assume it's directed at me. If so, then you completely misunderstood what I said.

Now I REALLY do have to get back to work.

Yes, RAND PAUL is a physician - an ophthalmologist, to be specific.

And maybe some of you can keep this up all day, but really...

It's DISHONEST to say Tea Partiers oppose cuts to Medicare. It is HONEST to say that Tea Partiers favor REFORM/REPLACEMENT, and if that means cuts to the existing program (for young workers far from retirement) to help fund a replacement, then so be it. But cuts just to make cuts, ESPECIALLY when the cuts are meant as an accounting gimmick to make Obamacare look good? NO.

Now if you'll excuse me I need to get back to work. Originally Posted by mastermind238

Im sure you do ... placing people on an insurance policy rather than have them use free clinics and government hospitals isnt an accounting gimmick to make anything LOOK good ... maybe your government education escapes your math logic.

rather than me go and redo this , in your spare time read the Honorable Eye Doctors REFORM?REPLACEMENT epiphany that basically takes the up and commers off medicare and places them in the same insurance pool as the current HC bill


http://eccie.net/showthread.php?t=415751


dont work too hard.

That's a funny sign, CBJ7! I like that. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

if only it was a credible source

I knew that McClatchy-Marist poll is what you were going to cite. Yeah, if you ask most people - not you, I suppose, but most people - if it's OK to make granny eat dog food until she dies if it means we can give bigger tax breaks to oil companies, most Tea Partiers will say of course not. I exaggerate only slightly when I say that Marist poll was worded about like that.

." Originally Posted by mastermind238

You appear to be just like JD. A Tea Pot apologist. Or what we call where I come from....a liar.

This is exactly how the question was worded.

Question Wording: Do you support or oppose doing each of the following to deal with the federal budget deficit: Cut Medicare and Medicaid?

And I am NOT a minority in my own movement, because if you ask me a dumb-ass question the way you framed it, I would ALSO say I'm opposed to cutting Medicare. ." Originally Posted by mastermind238

Maybe the majority of the Tea Party are natural born liars. You have now seen how the question was asked. Nothing like you suggested it was asked. Do you really think you can come on here and tell a bald faced lie and not expect me to call you out on it?

The COMPLETE answer is "I'm opposed to cutting Medicare WITHOUT REPLACING and or REFORMING it. If such replacements and reforms must be phased in, I'm in favor of leaving the program in place for current benefit recipients, and making age-based changes - the younger the contributors, the bigger the changes." Originally Posted by mastermind238

WTF do you think cutting Medicare is if not REPLACING and REFORMING current pay structure with another structure?

That is exactly wtf the admin tried to do. What you meant to say is that you want the younger generation to pay for you not putting enough into the present system. They can continue to pay my Medicare bills while reforming theirs in the form of less benifits.

What your (and my as I am probably in your age bracket) generation has done , is not fund the system proberly. They did not take into account that folks would be living longer. But instead of acknowledging that basic fact, they want to blame Obama because he is trying to bring down long term costs by insuring more folks so we can cut down on costly ER visits.

Your generation takes more out of SS programs than they put into it. You are the problem. Try and lie your way out of that basic math problem.

Yes, RAND PAUL is a physician - an ophthalmologist, to be specific.

And maybe some of you can keep this up all day, but really...

It's DISHONEST to say Tea Partiers oppose cuts to Medicare. It is HONEST to say that Tea Partiers favor REFORM/REPLACEMENT, and if that means cuts to the existing program (for young workers far from retirement) to help fund a replacement, then so be it. But cuts just to make cuts, ESPECIALLY when the cuts are meant as an accounting gimmick to make Obamacare look good? NO.

Now if you'll excuse me I need to get back to work. Originally Posted by mastermind238

Oh wait here it is.You admit it in this post. You want the younger generation to fund your Medicare because you did not properly fund it?

That is the honest question that should be asked.

Do you not understand how much money we spend in end of life care? So you want to do nothing with that huge problem, yet you want to somehow cut government spending? Are you starting to see why the Tea Party movement is being exposed for what it really is? A special interest group for the semi-elderly.

Now I REALLY do have to get back to work. Originally Posted by mastermind238

Please do so, you are embarrassing the great state of Texas and the beautiful city of Austin.

One can only hope your job does not entail teaching students this phony pack of lies. Though if they are that stupid they should pay for your underfunded Medicare

This is exactly how the question was worded.

Question Wording: Do you support or oppose doing each of the following to deal with the federal budget deficit: Cut Medicare and Medicaid?

...

WTF do you think cutting Medicare is if not REPLACING and REFORMING current pay structure with another structure?
Originally Posted by WTF

Asking someone if they favor CUTTING Medicare and Medicaid IN NO WAY IMPLIES THAT YOU'RE ASKING THEM ABOUT REFORM OR RESTRUCTURE. Most people would take the question exactly as it was put - and as I've said repeatedly, the correct answer to that, whether you're Tea Party or not - is NO.

Marist didn't try to get at the more complex question of replacement/reform. Unless you ASK SPECIFICALLY IF YOU FAVOR REPLACING MEDICARE WITH A DIFFERENT SYSTEM, ANY QUESTION SIMPLY ABOUT CUTS WILL ELICIT A RESPONSE OF "NO." THIS IS NOT CONTROVERSIAL, AND IT DOES NOT SUPPORT YOUR CONTENTION THAT TEA PARTIERS ARE HYPOCRITES BECAUSE THEY "REJECT" MEDICARE CUTS. THEY "REJECT" MEDICARE CUTS BECAUSE THE MARIST QUESTION DIDN'T GIVE THEM AN ALTERNATIVE.

If I asked you whether you'd rather have me shoot you in the head or the heart, what would be the correct answer? Head? or Heart? The correct answer would be NEITHER, but that wasn't one of the choices, was it?

Option A - Cut? or Option B - Don't Cut? Option C - scrap it and start over. That would be the Tea Party response. But the option was neither given nor implied in Marist's question.

as previously noted, tea baggers arent capable of answering complex questions.

when ask if they wanted medicare cut, they could have answered NO, but reform of some sort is needed.

reform is "cut" spelled differently IMO


the sophomoric analogy of shooting someone in the head or heart is a prime example of a simplistic mind.


that said, I bet JLSD is glad the thread topic went this direction rather than him having to stand up to his bullshit ...

reform is "cut" spelled differently IMO Originally Posted by CJ7

You can believe it if you like, but that doesn't make it so. Cutting funding for a program is not the same as reforming a program. Sorry.

the sophomoric analogy of shooting someone in the head or heart is a prime example of a simplistic mind. Originally Posted by CJ7

On the contrary, it's perhaps more sophisticated that you care to admit. Or maybe the point of it just escaped you. In the example, I gave two - and ONLY two - choices, neither of which gives an acceptable outcome for the person being shot. As to how a Tea Partier would approach Medicare, the choices aren't between full funding and reduced funding. The third choice - scrap it and start over with a differently structured program - is the RIGHT choice.