Obama admits he applied for the wrong job.

This coming from the king of nutjob links? Originally Posted by pjorourke

Better a nutjob link'er than a nutjob poster

Wasn't the focus of the Seventh on criminal matters. I doubt the Founders had any concept of modern ambulance chasing. Originally Posted by pjorourke

Well PJ, if they had no concept of the future....sounds like the document needs constant updating.

It still manages to raise my eyebrows as well...even though I know there's nothing new about that, either.... Originally Posted by Sisyphus

The crimes of others you deplore
But of yourself, you don't keep score

Excerpted from, "Cast The First Stone" Originally Posted by Sisyphus

Isn't this a given?

Doesn't everyone do it except WTF?

.....and Marshall does it extremely well. I would consider him an expert!

undocumented worker Originally Posted by TexTushHog

That's liberal for illegal alien right? Originally Posted by pjorourke

PJ, how un-American of you. An alien is from outer space, and you've already convicted him without a trial.

Undocumented workers are only trying to better themselves and their families. Now there's a really despicable act.

I reserve my contempt for people committing felonies, and that does not single out one group based on their race, heritage or national origin.

You know...this guy did inherit more debt and bs than any other President. We must at least take that into consideration. I am quite sure it's easier to put him down, when not many of us could do this job either. I am not taking up for him mind you, but bashing him won't change anything. HE did not get us into the mess we are in now....the former rulers and even us as a people did that to ourselves.

We will just have to elect someone else when the time comes, and I bet we will still be here putting the next one down.

PJ, how un-American of you. An alien is from outer space, and you've already convicted him without a trial.

Undocumented workers are only trying to better themselves and their families. Now there's a really despicable act.

I reserve my contempt for people committing felonies, and that does not single out one group based on their race, heritage or national origin. Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

So are armed robbers, drug dealers, embezzlers, terrorists. . . I'm a little surprised lawyers don't understand or accept that these people are doing something illegal and should not be placed above the law simply because you think they will vote for a particular party (be honest now).

Also, please point out where my esteemed colleague referred to race. . . only one side of the political spectrum interjects race. . . on virtually every issue, and it isn't the right.

You know...this guy did inherit more debt and bs than any other President. We must at least take that into consideration. I am quite sure it's easier to put him down, when not many of us could do this job either. I am not taking up for him mind you, but bashing him won't change anything. HE did not get us into the mess we are in now....the former rulers and even us as a people did that to ourselves.

We will just have to elect someone else when the time comes, and I bet we will still be here putting the next one down. Originally Posted by London Rayne

"This guy", thank you for not besmirching the office of the President, has increased the debt more in two years than all previous office holders combined. The deficit for February was larger than the entire year of 2007.

I agree "bashing" him won't change anything, neutering his policy, repealing what he's done and kicking his ass back to Chicago is what's needed. And not by replacing him with a "business as usual RINO.

Undocumented workers are only trying to better themselves and their families. Now there's a really despicable act. Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

Well then start by following the rules and apply to come here legally.

I agree "bashing" him won't change anything, neutering his policy, repealing what he's done and kicking his ass back to Chicago is what's needed. And not by replacing him with a "business as usual RINO. Originally Posted by Iaintliein

Word!

So are armed robbers, drug dealers, embezzlers, terrorists. . . I'm a little surprised lawyers don't understand or accept that these people are doing something illegal and should not be placed above the law simply because you think they will vote for a particular party (be honest now).

Also, please point out where my esteemed colleague referred to race. . . only one side of the political spectrum interjects race. . . on virtually every issue, and it isn't the right. Originally Posted by Iaintliein

If you could read, I excluded people who commit felonies, such as armed robbers, drug dealers, embezzlers, terrorists. So don't try and take my post and give it a twist that isn't there.

And as far as PJ is concerned, his post occurred in the contest of undocumented workers in Texas (see TTH's post immediately preceding). The obvious reference is to Mexicans both in TTH's post and PJ's. IDT you could fairly assume they were talking about undocumented workers from India.

So, please read (and understand) before you post.

I am quite sure it's easier to put him down, when not many of us could do this job either. Originally Posted by London Rayne

That is the point of my original post. He lacked the experience and expertise to be president, and he didn’t know it. He promised he would do things differently, but his proffered policy was non-substantive “hope and change.” Furthermore, he suckered enough of the electorate into voting for him. He went into the office naïve and thinking being president would be a cakewalk. He assumed that by publically debasing all that America has stood for and accomplished he could appease its enemies and make them more placable . . . now we’re in another war. I, for one, do not see any change that has been positive.

But, technically at least, some are lying bitches. It amazes me how vehemently some political junkies defend their politicians as being something more than simply the lessor of evils at that time, and by their measure of evil. Originally Posted by Iaintliein

That's why I really try not to get into it that much, I rarely come across (if ever) a politician I am really keen on...

HE did not get us into the mess we are in now....the former rulers and even us as a people did that to ourselves. Originally Posted by London Rayne

No, he didn't get us into the mess. However...

He was "hired" by a majority of the electorate to fix things, not just compound the problems we face and add new ones of his own.

For at least six years before Obama took office, we were on an unprecedented spending binge. The federal budget went from about $1.8 trillion in 2000 to $2.9 trillion in 2008.

So what was the first thing Obama called for? A phony $862 billion "stimulus package", which was really just a wasteful gift box of political payoffs.

How's that for "Hope and Change?"

...he suckered enough of the electorate into voting for him. Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Suckered is exactly the right word.

The federal budget went from about $1.8 trillion in 2000 to $2.9 trillion in 2008. Originally Posted by CaptainMidnight

Well the 2001 budget was largely backed under Clinton and the 1999-2000 Congress. So the correct starting point under Bush (which seems to be what you are alluding to) would be the change since 2001 (i.e., Oct 2000-Sep2001) to the last Bush Budget which was 2009 (i.e., Oct2008-Sep2009). Of course, there isn't a budget for 2011 to compare -- Nancy & harry didn't pass one. I'd also be curious what the growth rate was between 2001 and 2007, when the House went blue, versus 2007-09

Well the 2001 budget was largely backed under Clinton and the 1999-2000 Congress. So the correct starting point under Bush (which seems to be what you are alluding to) would be the change since 2001 (i.e., Oct 2000-Sep2001) to the last Bush Budget which was 2009 (i.e., Oct2008-Sep2009). Of course, there isn't a budget for 2011 to compare -- Nancy & harry didn't pass one. I'd also be curious what the growth rate was between 2001 and 2007, when the House went blue, versus 2007-09 Originally Posted by pjorourke

I was speaking in rough, general terms -- since I am much too busy (lazy?) right now to actually go look up anything...but my basic point is that spending was bad enough under Bush and Republican congresses from 2003-2007. Aside from the expense of the wars, a few major offenders were the prescription drug entitlement bill of 2003 and porked-up farm and transportation bills in the mid-'00s.

But the Pelosi/Obama agenda included taking spending increases to new levels!

This January 2007 Pelosi statement would almost be funny if the situation weren't so serious:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl0FPMdaA2c

Another point I might make is that I think we already had a structural (not cyclical) budget deficit of at least 5% of GDP by 2007. The "headline" deficit number decreased from about $450 billion in 2004 to about $160 billion in 2007. But if you kick out the social security tax "surplus" that existed at the time, and adjust for the fact that income tax revenues were at an unsustainably high level because of the housing bubble and debt-fueled consumption boom, the picture didn't look so good.

Again, taking a bad problem and making it much, much worse doesn't seem to me to be the sort of "hope and change" most people wanted!

PJ, how un-American of you. An alien is from outer space, and you've already convicted him without a trial.

Undocumented workers are only trying to better themselves and their families. Now there's a really despicable act.

I reserve my contempt for people committing felonies, and that does not single out one group based on their race, heritage or national origin. Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

So are armed robbers, drug dealers, embezzlers, terrorists. . . I'm a little surprised lawyers don't understand or accept that these people are doing something illegal and should not be placed above the law simply because you think they will vote for a particular party (be honest now).

Also, please point out where my esteemed colleague referred to race. . . only one side of the political spectrum interjects race. . . on virtually every issue, and it isn't the right. Originally Posted by Iaintliein

If you could read, I excluded people who commit felonies, such as armed robbers, drug dealers, embezzlers, terrorists. So don't try and take my post and give it a twist that isn't there.

And as far as PJ is concerned, his post occurred in the contest of undocumented workers in Texas (see TTH's post immediately preceding). The obvious reference is to Mexicans both in TTH's post and PJ's. IDT you could fairly assume they were talking about undocumented workers from India.

So, please read (and understand) before you post. Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

It seems he understood you just fine.

Your "justification' for illegal aliens doing what they do was the fact that they were trying to better themsleves (at least that's the only one you listed). If that is all the justification one needs then it is "Katy, Bar the Door" for justification of actions.

Since you later try to justify such a position saying that you excluded felony acts, can we assume that 1) a misdomeanor act of crime, that is in an effort to better one's self, is Ok with you?...and 2) since a repeat offense of illegal immigration is a felony, that you hold those repeat offenders in disdain?

Finally, your efforts to turn this into a race issue fall well short. I can tell you that most of us that are against illegal immigration here in the US, are against it for all races, creeds, nationalities and colors. But just because a guy who got bitten by a thousand fire ants exclaims "G Damn Fire Ants"...does not mean that he is not opposed to red ant bites too. It's a BS diversion...and you know it.