Haggling is INSULTING

Ahh man...... Great find..... Thanks!

Something like that.

In a world where everything is negotiable....even non-negotiability, the only time it is unreasonable is post-delivery of services or in face-to-face pre-delivery negotiations of the to be performed services. You are supposed to be business people. Stop pretending your honor is being besmirched. It is tedious as well as boring. If you don't want to haggle, hang up. It's quick, it's easy, it's legal. It also makes common sense. "Man up" or pull your ads.
Something else would be nice. To see universal condemnation of your ilk who don't live up to their service claims or that post fake pictures, or especially the NCNS, by your ilk.
NCNS has no defense. Absolutely none. If you can’t make a 1 minute call to let someone know something has happened that will interfere with a business arrangement you have set up, you are the lower than the lowest crack whore. My apology to any crack whores I have demeaned by comparing you to someone who bails on an appointment without notice, reason or apology.

Well “ladies”, my balls are in your court. Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

Well "ladies".

What say you?

No comments? No indignation? What a joke!

You have plenty to say on perceived slights. I have thrown a gauntlet down!

Are you afraid of what your peers might say? What they might think about you?
A hint: Guess what your "customers" think of you when you do it or condone it?

Who will condemn the NCNS and those who do it? Which of you will be first?

Or have you all done it without feeling the need to explain why? That explains a lot...I guess.

Well "ladies".

What say you?

No comments? No indignation? What a joke!

You have plenty to say on perceived slights. I have thrown a gauntlet down!

Are you afraid of what your peers might say? What they might think about you?
A hint: Guess what your "customers" think of you when you do it or condone it?

Who will condemn the NCNS and those who do it? Which of you will be first?

Or have you all done it without feeling the need to explain why? That explains a lot...I guess. Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

wow...I'm amazed this thread has legs...

I wont bother to post specific to the OP, I could care less what she thinks or what her rate is (or any other gals for that matter). However I will post as a business consultant who has built multiple companies (75+ employee's 10MM rev) and knows this issue from both sides.

Invariably my best customers are most likely to ask for "discounts", the simple truth is that this a positive part of business. It normally represents an early warning that my position is under attack by some faction within the client. 90% of the time I end up with more business not less as a result. The flip side is that I always asked my own vendors for preferred rates. My Attorney was a $600/hr letterhead partner...my "Friend of the firm" rate was $380/hr and normally he waived his fee for his time (normally minimal). I also got 30% off billing for all associates/paralegal. How...my biggest client was also his biggest client and he extended the rate as a professional courtesy. 6 months into my relationship they had an issue that allowed me to offer my services (at a friend of firm rate of course) and picked up a very lucrative account.

Business is business and all good business is subject to a bit of give and take.

wow...I'm amazed this thread has legs...

I wont bother to post specific to the OP, I could care less what she thinks or what her rate is (or any other gals for that matter). However I will post as a business consultant who has built multiple companies (75+ employee's 10MM rev) and knows this issue from both sides.

Invariably my best customers are most likely to ask for "discounts", the simple truth is that this a positive part of business. It normally represents an early warning that my position is under attack by some faction within the client. 90% of the time I end up with more business not less as a result. The flip side is that I always asked my own vendors for preferred rates. My Attorney was a $600/hr letterhead partner...my "Friend of the firm" rate was $380/hr and normally he waived his fee for his time (normally minimal). I also got 30% off billing for all associates/paralegal. How...my biggest client was also his biggest client and he extended the rate as a professional courtesy. 6 months into my relationship they had an issue that allowed me to offer my services (at a friend of firm rate of course) and picked up a very lucrative account.

Business is business and all good business is subject to a bit of give and take. Originally Posted by TxToast

This is what I MEANT to say, but my words aren't so good.

A) You sound like you need to up your meds.

B) Allow me to state here that I, have never NCNSed anyone and obviously as an adult I'm a fan of people who extend common courtesy to one another and that includes calling within an acceptable time frame if for some reason you can't make an appointment. I'm not just saying that to say it- you literally won't find a person who can honestly say I've NCNS'ed them and I've never even heard anyone claim it falsely.

C) As for false advertising/photos/ misleading ages...I don't engage in it myself and I'm definitely enough of a loud mouth on this board that if I did you'd see dozens of posts after this with some kind of proof that I am not who I claim to be. There are tons of providers here, I can't be the hobby police or sit as their judge and jury(I reserve that treatment for Sixx Bach).

D) The reason no other providers have replied is probably because your post came off kinda crazy and scary with the color, font size and excessive barrage of questions.

Sooo...there ya go. No more chirpin' crickets.

Well "ladies".

What say you?

No comments? No indignation? What a joke!

You have plenty to say on perceived slights. I have thrown a gauntlet down!

Are you afraid of what your peers might say? What they might think about you?
A hint: Guess what your "customers" think of you when you do it or condone it?

Who will condemn the NCNS and those who do it? Which of you will be first?

Or have you all done it without feeling the need to explain why? That explains a lot...I guess. Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

Hannah,

I don't think these days you can go without too many posts and my name not fly out of your fingertips... it's flattering

sixx

What can I say Sixx? You didn't hear? I have a love/hate relationship with you and I guess now it's stuck on LOVE mode.

Hannah,

I don't think these days you can go without too many posts and my name not fly out of your fingertips... it's flattering

sixx Originally Posted by sixxbach

Well "ladies".

What say you?

No comments? No indignation? What a joke!

You have plenty to say on perceived slights. I have thrown a gauntlet down!

Are you afraid of what your peers might say? What they might think about you?
A hint: Guess what your "customers" think of you when you do it or condone it?

Who will condemn the NCNS and those who do it? Which of you will be first?

Or have you all done it without feeling the need to explain why? That explains a lot...I guess.


Wow, honey! You actually sound a bit angry and quite scary!!!!

I originally clicked on this because it's a subject that has interested me.
As far as NCNS, I would say that BP is very known for being "pimp playground" and a ULE favorite.

Ladies from P411 and Verified Providers with substanial reviews is, I'm sure (much agreed) THE way to go to avoid the unprofessionalism of NCNS.

Jules, I do hope you had an enjoyable time here in Austin!!! There are plenty of sweet gentlemen here and I do hope you visit us again hun!

Having come from sales myself, i get it. But somethings can not be discounted! A car, yes... but i sold time shares, the rates were set, and in my 5 years there i never had a customer question that. Same with security systems. Yes this buis is very different since we set our rates, lol there is no market price barcode on us to be scanned. So i understand asking for a break on the rate, if you have seen the girl. But if it is your first time visiting her and u are asking for a discount, thats not a good way to start things, in my opinion! Originally Posted by MarleyMonroe

Googled discounted timeshares and got 5 million hits, just sayin'.

Googling discount hooker brings up 5 million too ... but

http://www.furnituregeek.com/discoun..._furniture.php

Actually if you buy a time share at market rate your a sucker (with a few notable exceptions). Typically timeshares trade at a healthy discount from "sticker" and it's very easy to find owners offering prime time slots for the actual cost (or less)...

Jules....haggleing has been part of the game since day one..and it will continue no matter what is said, or how many ladies protest...

With that said just list "donations are non-negotiable" directly on your advertisment (close to your rates) and you'll see a huge drop in hagglers.

If they contact you and haggle you even AFTER they have read that your prices are non-negotiable you can simple say ."no thanks"...and then block there email address, handles or phone number so you never have to speak to them again.

Dont upset yourself over something you have NO control over, it's really not worth it in the long run... Originally Posted by allofamber

Just what I was thinking!

Let me start with this: I've been with Jules...many times. Her rates are very affordable. She is worth the money.

With that said, girls will always think it is insulting and guys will still do it. It won't end until providers stop negotiating back and say no.

C) As for false advertising/photos/ misleading ages...I don't engage in it myself and I'm definitely enough of a loud mouth on this board that if I did you'd see dozens of posts after this with some kind of proof that I am not who I claim to be. Originally Posted by Hannah Heresy

Howdy, Folks!



As I posted earlier - I don't haggle.


I look at posted prices. If the posted prices aren't to my liking, I move on to the next one, find one who's posted prices are more to my liking.


This quoted post by Hannah is an interesting post.

Let's parse it a bit...

As for...[snip]/photos/[/snip] ...I don't engage in it myself... Originally Posted by Hannah Heresy

Let's look here:

http://www.eccie.net/member.php?u=56673


Okay - One review on Eccie only(March 2011), no pics in the review; no showcase set up, so no photos on Eccie.

Let's look at the website set up:

http://www.hannahheresy.com/gallery.html

No photos here, either.


Back to http://www.eccie.net/member.php?u=56673 :

"My TER ID& TER Reviews: 165402/My p411 ID: P53733" [neither of these are hot links]




p411 shows the following when searching by that ID:

"Information available to members only!
Click Here to Become a Member" - No pics available to Eccie members.


Over at TER:

TER shows no pics for Eccie members, last TER review March 2011.


So, as for photos - Hannah is quite correct; it appears she doesn't engage in posting them where Eccie members may see them.

Therefore, no one can state she's not who she claims to be, as there's nothing for comparison.


Interestingly written post, to get that information across.


Ultimately - what does "...false advertising/photos/ misleading ages..." have to do with haggling?