Two EROTIC, WONDERFUL, EXCITING new things I tried-and YOU should too!!

to do those disgusting acts without question her demeanor, personality, wit and charm should be more than enough to entice any trick... er hobbiest to gladly present her with wallet and have her remove whatever funds she wanted in exchange for reluctantly performing disgusting act with us disgusting vile creatures

here are some things i have been thinking:

1. GFE is 'well defined' in so much as YOU difine it. there are things that are permissable, others that are not.

2. i would think that if any kind of REAL research were done on the issue of BBFS requests, we would find that it's NOT the requests that have risen, it's the complaints about the requests. being a woman, in and out of the hobby, i could recant countless requests to forgo the cover for reasons A,B & C. this in not new. and to say that suddenly there is a 'particular group' that is making it harder on you or any one of us is nonsense.

3. the back channel complaints are actually complaints about those who push ANY boundary once they have been told NO. or about asking for something completely ridiculous according to that particular provider. including and not limited to BBFS which as i said...is not a new request. say HELL NO and move on!

4. i for one feel that if you don't have the back bone to say NO to anything that you find distasteful, you are certainly in the wrong business. if you feel that you have 'discovered' the source of the problem, you are just kidding yourself. it has always been there it will be there long after we no longer participate in the hobby.

5. clearly, the op has a list of 'i will never do THIS' and it is agreed that it should be respected. however, just because someone decides, out of human nature , to ask for something that is on the 'i will never do THIS' does not mean that the blame lays squarely on someone else's shoulders. there is no provider 'zero' soley responsible for the things that are clearly upsetting this op.

6. if you choose to do this you WILL deal with a very long list of crap at times. if you don't have what it takes to do what you need to do and not flip out or try to blame others, it's time to go. believe it or not, like it or not, it goes with the territory. if you let it eat you alive that is exactly what will happen. but to be in the hobby, speaking as a provider, you have to take responsibility for that choice and at times that means DEALING. if you cannot deal, it will reflect in your time spent, you will become miserable.

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Logic, experience, and common sense right there.

As a friend of mine likes to say..." Some one has eesoos" that need to be resolved. Therapy might help...might. I'm willing to take some action on that. I'm voting no!

Wicked Heather is one of my ATFs. Sweet Heather has prostituted the name "Heather" for the sake of attention and to make a useless point.

i really think sweet heather is on to something. not only does cof naturally lead to bbfs, but it has already led to: the almost collapse of the financial markets, global warming and the bad call in the usa soccer match against slovenia---just to name a few... Originally Posted by missi hart

Funny, missi!
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I learned a while back that trying to be logical and thoughtful with someone who is just...out there...well, it just doesn't work. If EVER there was clear evidence of this reality it is the post quoted below.

So, Heather--since Karma isn't around to do her part I will gladly step in. A VERY SWEET Austin girl is going to tell ya the real deal.


You are being very un-nice. Bitchy, actually. Hateful.

This is not a real cat-fight. We are grown-ups. We use our words. Even so, this may get a little tacky and I may earn my first points ever. I'm cool with that

• You are not being logical. Ignoring the actual words BritneyBangs, and others, have written and continuing your rants is not impressive. It is stupid. S-T-U-P-I-D.
• If you want others to LISTEN to what you have to say, try listening to them as well. Be civil. And be consistant. But it is too late for that, "sweety". Calling "us" dense, desperate, cunts, etc. is ok? Someone else says you are being stupid and you accuse them of name calling? Pa-lease. And do you get the IRONY in this quote (I doubt it)...

BB: Maybe you are angry that other girls are doing things you feel you don't want to compete with? That's understandable, I don't agree with bbfs or girls doing sessions dirt cheap.

SH: Really? Are you judging other girls? Who made YOU judge and jury?

If you even thought for one minute that YOU were judge and jury, well, YOU'RE NOT. So shut up, ok?

• Most offensive is the venom you have spewed in your attack on BritneyBangs. She is a well-respected, well-liked, smart girl. Again, who the fuck do you think you are?
  

She has made it clear: She DOES NOT offer bbfs, will never offer bbfs, and thinks it is just plain nasty, ok? She did not say she had anal then put the cock in her mouth, you did! And you didn't stop there. Are you evil or just off your meds?

• We got your point a long time ago. Some of us may even agree with some portions of it, but that is irrelevant because you have been VERY UNCOOL. So we just don't give a flying fuck what you say anymore--comprende?

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Enough of conjuring my inner bitch. Now its time for me to go to put a smile on a lucky guy's face.
~~Casey

PS--I just read WickedHeathers last post and could not agree more. Thanks for stating your points so eloquently. I hope mine are equally eloquent, albeit in an entirely different language
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My nomination for stupidest post ever...

Originally Posted by BritneyBangs
Heather I guess you can call me naiveOK britney. YOU"RE NAIVE. Oh, and by the way. you're making it harder for the rest of us. When are you going to allow the many gents that are asking for BBFS to get their way? Do you have ANY limits? If so, why?

because I don't know anything about ass gaping or being slapped in the faceWell, sweety pie, you're about to find out very quickly, judging from my emails.

nor have I ever had an ass to my mouth! Well except for my old hubby!OH! So your ex hubby fucked you in the ass and put his dick in your mouth. How nice! I'm assuming you didn't use a condom, since most married couples don't. And you KISS hobbyists with that mouth? Hmmmmmmm. By the way, when is the last time you were tested???????????????????????? ????????

Its not like I am trying to set the gfe bar higher because I occasionally do cof with someone I really like when the mood strikes.Do you also fuck gents without a condom.."if the mood strikes"?Wow. How interesting.

I actually like conversing with some of these "tricks".Well aren't you special.LOL

Escort client community info. Exchange. If I am not mistaken, that is what the board is for right? To talk about things and share experiences and ideas?Which is exactly what I am doing, Miss Smarty Pants.

I've never done greek professionally, so I don't know why you are being so presumptious about me, my activies, rates, etc.Well, dearest, I find the girls that have no limits, no bounderies, that let tricks just do whatever they wish, usually do not have ANY limits. When's the last time you let a trick fuck you without a condom?(there's LOTS of money in that sweety!)

I am glad you find my so interesting though!Glad I found what so interesting? Huh?

Its amusing to say the leastLOL

Maybe you are angry that other girls are doing things you feel you don't want to compete with?Like fucking bareback? No, sweety, I don't want to let tricks fuck me without a condom, slap my face, cum on my face, in my eyes, in my hair etc. If YOU do, please charge extra, because it makes things that much harder for the rest of us, but you knew that by reading the many complaints in the back channels.

That's understandable, I don't agree with bbfs or girls doing sessions dirt cheap.Really? Are you judging other girls? Who made YOU judge and jury?

It makes it hard for all of girls to make money.Yes, dear, it does indeed make it harder for us "other girls" to make money since our little community is actually quite small, and the actions of one desperate little trailer park slut(NOT you BTW) can have ramifications for the rest of us.

Again, I don't know why you picked me to make an example of,Uh, because it was YOU that claimed the gent cumming on your face was an act of "endearment". Really? Seriously? So if gent asks to fuck you bareback, is that "endearing" too? Why not, sweety pie?

but you should do your research because I am not cheapIn price..or in in LIFE. Sweety.
Originally Posted by Sweet Heather

I am curious what is the diff between CIM/COF and having HO-HA juice over/all in your mouth, face, nose?

Her posts dont change my opinion of her, in fact I think I like her more, any woman who has this kind of Passion, just think how she is BCD. Many forget we are not here making 'friends' this is not EHarmony or Match.com. and these women sure as hell are not selling Girl Scout Cookies. We are here to bust a nut!!!

What we post on this board may or may not be who we are in person, and I think that applies to many of us.. I have learned to take EVERYTHING I READ HERE with a grain of salt, just like when I read a BCD of a gal and the guy claims to make her cum 4 times, I seriously doubt that,, thats why they call it a 'TRICK'....does it make we want to see the girl, not hardly,, it sure makes for good reading.



More than once I have had Providers tell me, " you sure are a nice guy in person, and such a dick on the Boards"

I take that as a compliment!!!unk : Originally Posted by RALPHEY BOY

It's not really the passion...

It's the bat-shit crazy jumping to random conclusion that make no sense in the mind of someone sane.

I can just see it...

"You want to do what with me, Ralphey Boy? A body slide? OMG that's disgusting and degrading! You must want me to do BBFS with you! You're pressuring me to do BBFS! RAPE!!!"

RE: VikkiLyn

ummm....well...for me the difference is a "thank you very much, ma'am...may I have some more?" vs. a "what the fuck? I fall asleep for 5 fucking minutes....I'm never going camping with you guys again!"

I promised myself I would not post again on this thread, but since Sweet Heather did eventually make logic driven posts, I feel I must break my promise to myself...

You mentioned about how GFE isn't clearly defined. What is the use of having hobby "terms" if there is no definition of the term? That doesn't make any sense! I didn't say it wasn't defined. I said it was only defined loosely. It is. You typically have to offer DATY and BBBJ. Other than that, if you ask there is a variance. One PSE act doesn't make someone PSE. I allow men to come on my body (haven't done face, no one has asked). However, if you ask ANYONE who's seen me I'm very clearly not PSE in any way whatsoever. I rarely watch porn because it kinda freaks me out, but I've seen missionary, doggie, cowgirl, kissing, bbbj, and tons of other things that is part of the gfe. Should we include nothing that is viewed in pornos, or only things you don't like?

You also mentioned that I didn't show how what one provider does affects me. Well, I'll be more than happy to explain.
I had an appointment with a gent. After giving him a nice wet BBBJ, I suggersted we try something else. He said that no, he wanted me to finish him off with the BBBJ. I politely explained that I didn't allow CIM, and that I would have to put on a condom for him to finish in my mouth.
He got all huffy and irritated, and lost his erection. And he, no matter what I tried, couldn't get it up again. At the 35 minute mark of a 30 minute session, I apologized and said that I didn't think it was going to work that day. He left in a huff.
Fast forward a couple of months. Someone put out an ISO on me, and this gent posted "Oh don't see her, I had an awful time with her!"
A hobbyist friend PMd him and asked why he said that. He said that when he requested CIM during our session I "yelled" at him that I didn't do that. Which was a bald faced LIE. I have never "yelled" at anyone during a session in 10 years of being a provider!

Please explain the provider part in this. That's a problem with a client, not a provider...

Plus, regardless of if he did a poor job of research he seemed to have an awful time with you. He should have specified why, so that if it didn't matter to the client then it would have simply been ignored.

What really chapped my ass is that here I was, being so very nice and accomodating to this very overweight, unattractive man, willing to do anything GFE he asked and do it with a smile, and he goes and lies about me to make me look bad.

As others have said, that is your job. You're supposed to make the most unattractive and fattest of clients feel good about themselves and that you want to be there. IF you agree to see them. Some escorts won't see obese clients and I respect that, they just don't agree to sessions with them.

I never claimed to do CIM.No-one can say that I have done CIM because I never haver(and never will).
So even though I say I'm GFE and nothing more, some GFE provider out there decided to allow him to CIM with her and since SHE did, he expected ME to.
So what that other provider let him get away with most certainly DID affect me. His little post made me look quite bad. And I didn't deserve it.

I don't see anything wrong with CIM. I do it. It's widely accepted among gfe girls that it is the "options" list. That is in "some gfe girls do it, some don't" category. One of the items that is only loosely defined in the gfe description. If it's on your absolutely not list then put it on the website. Originally Posted by Sweet Heather

If you don't accept reviews that is completely your decision. However, they do exist for that purpose. Maybe you should allow them if you seem to find problems with clients misunderstanding what you find acceptable.

Reviews and forums were created to allow nonjudgemental discussion (you seem to have broken that one), reviews to allow clarification of terms that are ambiguous (you deny them that one), and to advertise (I don't know if you officially advertise, but it seems you've done a good job of lessening your appeal to the clients here instead of raising it). However, if ECCIE and similar forums don't seem to fit into your desired method of allowing clients and providers to make informed decisions then maybe you should just stick to an advertising site, since it seems you're style would be better suited to a different avenue than forums. It might make you happier.

Though escorts are always worried they might get a bad review they do allow informed decision making. If the problem is that your method deprives them of that, then maybe the problem lies with your method instead.

Let's all get nekked and screw!

But first.. Where the hell do i put it?
Where do I cum?
What should I weigh?
How tall should I be?
Am I too old?

Am I horny or a perve?
Did you like it or should I not care?

Gosh this is more complicated then dating!

what cracks me up is there are way more perverted Austin Men who ask and receive way more 'degrading' or 'oddball' activities than ATM or Gaping ass... . Originally Posted by RALPHEY BOY

Like an invitation to a month-long foam party? Well, he wasn't actually from Austin. But seriously, is this thread for real? Did a 12 year old boy (or an angry 16 year old girl! I could totally see that!) hack Heather's account? Did I miss something?

To whomever sent me an anonymous email tonight--let's share with the group, ok?

You don't know me, and you have seriously underestimated me. (And over-estimated the gravity of this thread, don't ya think?)

As an advocate of civility and respectfulness, I'll cop to intentional blatent hypocrisy in my two prior posts in this thread.

I first tried sarcasm, only to have someone subtly imply I really was "that person". OK, so sarcasm isn't my forte.

But, based on other posts and the op's responses, reasoned and logical discourse was not effective either. The premise of my second post was that on occasion, and subject to reasonable restraint, perhaps it can be more effective to just be a sassy bitch than it is to be a polite intellectual. Fight fire with fire. Fight cyber-bullying with the same. Sling a little mud.

Any regrets or concerns about taking the low road? Not really. Meant every word. In this case, in my opinion, clarity was much more readily achieved by adopting a different vocabulary than I normally employ. It was a tactic.

You are, apparently, far more practiced at using said tactic than I am now or strive to be in the future. So underestimate me if you will. It is of no consequence.

Fun, eh? Goodnight ya'll.

thoughts, attitudes and persona perhaps wicked heather and sweet heather should trade handles [or at least sweet Heather should better handle her trade]

Funniest Read in a long time! I enjoyed the last 20 mins alot!

THANK YOU ALL!!

I knew you would come around to my way of thincking if you ever tried ass to mouth. Nothing is hotter than a chick with that brown ring around her mouth like she has been drinking chocolate milk.

When you get to Austin let me know, I bet I can drop a couple loads of DNA down your gullet.