Is Matt Gaetz Dumb, or Mentally Retarded?

Of course Gaetz is toast if they can convict but investigators are gonna have to flip someone other than Greenberg. Originally Posted by boardman

Gaetz forgot to make his Venmo payments private. Investigators didn’t even need a warrant to get a record of his payments.

The FBI got his phone back in December. Add in his PMs from SA and you have enough to take to a grand jury. Of course, he’ll plea bargain to get a light sentence at club fed.

Payments........for what ? "I have never paid for sex." End of investigation

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Payments........for what ? "I have never paid for sex." End of investigation Originally Posted by VitaMan

think about the numbers though. imagine how many different gals Gaetz "sessioned" with, and his story that every one of them was his sugar baby. so Gaetz has 30 sugar babies, lets say. at trial, the prosecutor calls 10 or so real sugar daddies-it's a thing-and asks whether anyone not named Elon Musk could have 30 hot sugar babies at approximately the same time, and whether the pattern of payments looks anything like a sd/sb relatiship. all 10 guys say no way.

then you call the actual gals in question to describe the relationship and when the payments occurred, and it sounds nothing like what the 10 guys explained. basically, they got paid after or before sex, depending on the policies they followed. (some gals require pre-payments.) he's toast, right?

just a side note. the gals on the sd/sb sites are the exact same gals on the escort sites. just another revenue stream..

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gaetz-ex-...175007031.html

All of a sudden it seems .... age is not an issue. Now it's P4P.

Section 2423(g)Defense.—
In a prosecution under this section based on illicit sexual conduct as defined in subsection (f)(2), it is a defense, which the defendant must establish by clear and convincing evidence, that the defendant reasonably believed that the person with whom the defendant engaged in the commercial sex act had attained the age of 18 years.

Gaetz forgot to make his Venmo payments private. Originally Posted by Ralph Fults

Venmo payments are not "private" any more than any other "payments"!

All of a sudden it seems .... age is not an issue. Now it's P4P. Originally Posted by LexusLover

p4p is small potatoes-mostly a hypocrisy and state misdeameanor issue-compared to the age thing and trafficking. the allegedly underage gal has been allegedly working with the feds for several months now. she can easily call bs on his "oh i thought she was 18" defense. if the most recent reports are true-i predict that they are-then i say he's toast.

i get a kick out of these pols like Gaetz and Hawley trying to follow in trump's footsteps. first you gotta win the kingship oops i meant the presidency before you get to be above the law. i guess they didn't get the memo..

....the allegedly underage gal has been allegedly working with the feds for several months now. she can easily call bs on his "oh i thought she was 18" defense. if the most recent reports are true-i predict that they are-then i say he's toast.

i get a kick out of .... Originally Posted by pxmcc

#1: leaks from the investigating "Feds"?
#2: I guess one has to have experience in handling matters associated with "Feds" investigating criminal offenses before one can actually evaluate what an "alleged" undisclosed, adult witness is saying in cooperation with the investigating "Feds" ... and how long the alleged witness is cooperating.
#3: after two years she surfaces to whine about Gaetz, even though the fellow passengers deny she was on board and the manifest will disclose her presence on board and deboarding.

You were also convinced of the Russian Collusion, yes?

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....lets say. at trial, the prosecutor calls 10 or so real sugar daddies-it's a thing-and asks whether anyone not named Elon Musk could have 30 hot sugar babies at approximately the same time, and whether the pattern of payments looks anything like a sd/sb relatiship. all 10 guys say no way.... Originally Posted by pxmcc

You don't do Federal criminal trial work do you?

You don't do Federal criminal trial work do you? Originally Posted by LexusLover

p4p is a state issue, not federal.

p4p is a state issue, not federal. Originally Posted by pxmcc

Then why are the FEDS investigating Gaetz?

But I'll play along ....

... have you tried any sexually oriented criminal case to a jury in FEDERAL or STATE COURT?

Those other convictions really had nothing to do with the initial investigation by Mueller. Most of it was making false statements. After brow beating these guys for months on end they find an inconsistency in an answer from three month previous and next thing you know they're hanging a charge on someone. If these guys were really guilty of something they would have known better and kept their mouth shut. What they did to Michael Flynn is beyond anything I thought could ever happen.

Mueller spent millions to try and dig up something on Trump/Russian collusion and got a bunch of unrelated charges, some plea deals and convictions. Not impressed.
Originally Posted by boardman

Is conspiracy to defraud the United States by Russian nationals really unrelated to Trump/Russian collusion?

[QUOTE=LexusLover;1062430397]Then why are the FEDS investigating Gaetz?

because they are investigating human trafficking of a minor, which is a federal issue
But I'll play along ....

... have you tried any sexually oriented criminal case to a jury in FEDERAL or STATE COURT?
i have not. fed prosecutors usually start as a das prosecuting state cases, and work their way up. since da's do more drug cases than anything else, i never wanted to do the da gig, although it is one of the best ways to get litigation experience right out of law school. big firms wont let you try cases until you've put years in the trenches.

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think about the numbers though. imagine how many different gals Gaetz "sessioned" with, and his story that every one of them was his sugar baby. so Gaetz has 30 sugar babies, lets say. at trial, the prosecutor calls 10 or so real sugar daddies-it's a thing-and asks whether anyone not named Elon Musk could have 30 hot sugar babies at approximately the same time, and whether the pattern of payments looks anything like a sd/sb relatiship. all 10 guys say no way.

then you call the actual gals in question to describe the relationship and when the payments occurred, and it sounds nothing like what the 10 guys explained. basically, they got paid after or before sex, depending on the policies they followed. (some gals require pre-payments.) he's toast, right?

just a side note. the gals on the sd/sb sites are the exact same gals on the escort sites. just another revenue stream.. Originally Posted by pxmcc

if you think any prosecutor in their right mind is gonna try to call "actual sugar daddies" to court to testify you've been watching too many re-runs of "Matlock" and "Perry Mason".

GOP voters of FLA don't care if he did what he's rumored of. Now if they find a live boy he's at risk of losing his district.