1 PM EST: Obama warns Putin, 2 PM EST: Putin invades Crimea

You need a huge military for economic sanctions? Originally Posted by i'va biggen

"sanctions" is one option in a force continuum.

Thought you were the expert on everything.

Thought you were the expert on everything. Originally Posted by i'va biggen

You talking to yourself again?

Damn you are slow...

and Obama goes out for a beer with the boys. President Obama said that “the United States will stand with the international community in affirming that there will be costs for any military intervention in Ukraine.” President limp dick!

Just like Benghazi again. Obama talks about "reports" of troop movements while reporters are showing soldiers on the ground at the airports and ports. Talk about Baghdad Bob. Since he can't cancel our participation in the Olympics maybe he'll just cancel his visit later this year....that'll show em.

by the way, in 2008 someone warned that if Obama was elected Putin would likely invade the Ukraine and Obama would be hapless. Thanks for the warning Sarah Palin. Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

Yeah, it would have been way better to get right into a war with boots on the ground half a world away with a nuclear armed Russia run by an ex-KGB fanatic. That would have been real "hard dick" smart.

Was GWB, who got us into two decades long wars, "limp dick" when Putin invaded Georgia and he couldn't do a damn thing about it?

Bottom line is that the Right is un-American, unpatriotic and down right traitors not to mention hypocrites for not showing solidarity (and playing pure politics) over an international crisis like this.

Tell me how Putin's invasion of Georgia is any different from the current invasion of Crimea? I'm waiting with baited breath for your tortured logic on this one.

Tell me how Putin's invasion of Georgia is any different from the current invasion of Crimea? I'm waiting with baited breath for your tortured logic on this one. Originally Posted by LordBeaverbrook

JD just wants some Marines to prance around in his underware. To answer your question , the difference is that the man in the White House has a 'd' beside his name instead of a 'r'.

J... in his underware. .... Originally Posted by WTF

JD just wants some Marines to prance around in his underware. To answer your question , the difference is that the man in the White House has a 'd' beside his name instead of a 'r'. Originally Posted by WTF

US-instigated protests destabilizing Ukraine

Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:19AM GMT

By Dr. Paul Craig Roberts

The protests in the western Ukraine are organized by the CIA, the US State Department, and by Washington- and EU-financed Non-Governmental Organizations (NGOs) that work in conjunction with the CIA and State Department.

The purpose of the protests is to overturn the decision by the independent government of Ukraine not to join the EU.

The US and EU were initially cooperating in the effort to destroy the independence of Ukraine and make it a subservient entity to the EU government in Brussels. For the EU government, the goal is to expand the EU. For Washington the purposes are to make Ukraine available for looting by US banks and corporations and to bring Ukraine into NATO so that Washington can gain more military bases on Russia’s frontier.

There are three countries in the world that are in the way of Washington’s hegemony over the world–Russia, China, and Iran. Each of these countries is targeted by Washington for overthrow or for their sovereignty to be degraded by propaganda and US military bases that leave the countries vulnerable to attack, thus coercing them into accepting Washington’s will.

The problem that has arisen between the US and EU with regard to Ukraine is that Europeans have realized that the takeover of Ukraine is a direct threat to Russia, which can cut Europe off from oil and natural gas, and if there is war completely destroy Europe. Consequently, the EU became willing to stop provoking the Ukraine protests.

The response of the neoconservative, Victoria Nuland, appointed Assistant Secretary of State by the duplicitous Obama, was “fuck the EU,” as she proceeded to describe the members of the Ukraine government that Washington tended to impose on a people so unaware as to believe that they are achieving independence by rushing into Washington’s arms. I once thought that no population could be as unaware as the US population. But I was wrong. Western Ukrainians are more unaware than Americans.

The orchestration of the “crisis” in Ukraine is easy. The neoconservative Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland told the National Press Club in Washington on December 13, 2013, that the US has “invested” $5 billion in agitation in Ukraine.

The crisis essentially resides in western Ukraine where romantic ideas about Russian oppression are strong and the population is less Russian than in the eastern Ukraine.

The hatred of Russia in western Ukraine is so dysfunctional that the duped protesters are unaware that joining the EU means the end of Ukraine independence and rule by the EU bureaucrats in Brussels, the European Central Bank, and US corporations. Perhaps Ukraine is two countries. The western half could be given to the EU and US corporations, and the eastern half could be reincorporated as part of Russia, where the entire Ukraine resided for as long as the US has existed.

The disaffection from Russia that exists in western Ukraine makes it easy for the EU and US to cause trouble. Those in Washington and Europe who wish to destroy Ukraine’s independence portray an independent Ukraine as a hostage of Russia, while a Ukraine in the EU is allegedly under the protection of the US and Europe. The large sums of money that Washington funnels into NGOs in Ukraine propagate this idea and work the population into a mindless frenzy. I have never in my life witnessed people as mindless as the Ukrainian protesters who are destroying the independence of their country.

The US- and EU-financed NGOs are fifth columns designed to destroy the independence of the countries in which they operate. Some pretend to be “human rights organizations.” Others indoctrinate people under cover of “education programs” and “building democracy.” Others, especially those run by the CIA, specialize in provocations such as “Pussy Riot.” Few if any of these NGOs are legitimate. But they are arrogant. The head of one of the NGOs announced prior to the Iranian elections in which Mousavi was Washington’s and the CIA’s candidate that the election would result in a Green Revolution. He knew this in advance, because he had helped to finance it with US taxpayer dollars. I wrote about it at the time. It can be found on my website, www.paulcraigroberts.org and in my just published book, How America Was Lost.

The Ukrainian “protesters” have been violent, but the police have been restrained. Washington has a vested interest in keeping the protests going in the hopes of turning the protests into revolt so that Washington can grab Ukraine. This week the US House of Representatives passed a resolution threatening sanctions should the violent protests be put down by the police.

In other words, if the Ukrainian police behave toward violent protesters in the way that US police behave toward peaceful protesters, it is reason for Washington to interfere in the internal affairs of Ukraine. Washington is using the protests to destroy the independence of Ukraine and has ready the list of puppets that Washington intends to install as Ukraine’s next government.

SL/SL

Yeah, it would have been way better to get right into a war with boots on the ground half a world away with a nuclear armed Russia run by an ex-KGB fanatic. That would have been real "hard dick" smart.

Was GWB, who got us into two decades long wars, "limp dick" when Putin invaded Georgia and he couldn't do a damn thing about it?

Bottom line is that the Right is un-American, unpatriotic and down right traitors not to mention hypocrites for not showing solidarity (and playing pure politics) over an international crisis like this.

Tell me how Putin's invasion of Georgia is any different from the current invasion of Crimea? I'm waiting with baited breath for your tortured logic on this one. Originally Posted by LordBeaverbrook

Funny that a guy who named himself after an English Lord calls right wingers unpatriotic and un-American for not mindlessly kissing Obama's ass. We have the right to dissent and criticise the government! I suppose the hippies protesting the Vietnam war were unpatriotic, too?

I suppose the hippies protesting the Vietnam war were unpatriotic, too? Originally Posted by Jewish Lawyer

To some they were...

I suppose the hippies protesting the Vietnam war were unpatriotic, too? Originally Posted by Jewish Lawyer

Hanoi COG was a hippie?

Hanoi COG was a hippie? Originally Posted by bigtex

I still am!

Yeah, it would have been way better to get right into a war with boots on the ground half a world away with a nuclear armed Russia run by an ex-KGB fanatic. That would have been real "hard dick" smart.

Was GWB, who got us into two decades long wars, "limp dick" when Putin invaded Georgia and he couldn't do a damn thing about it?

Bottom line is that the Right is un-American, unpatriotic and down right traitors not to mention hypocrites for not showing solidarity (and playing pure politics) over an international crisis like this.

Tell me how Putin's invasion of Georgia is any different from the current invasion of Crimea? I'm waiting with baited breath for your tortured logic on this one. Originally Posted by LordBeaverbrook

Who the fuck said what you're ranting about? No one. Obama should at least pay attention to what is going on instead of going out to a gathering with alcohol. Really, would you condone this attitude in a doctor who is treating you for a life threatening problem? If you did then you deserve to labeled DNR by mistake.

Thought you were the expert on everything. Originally Posted by i'va biggen

I know the answer, do you? From your reply I'll take that as a solid NO!


The Soviet Union says that we are all alike.....oops. The Russians say that we are all alike and some people here buy into it immediately. Of course they already believe that the US is responsible for all evil in the world. Notice how our leftists sound just like Putin?

Sara Palin is JD's go to expert on a ll things Russian as she can see it from her backyard! Originally Posted by WTF

Those scopes they use on moose rifles are extremely powerful.

hahahaha


Probably seeing the first stages of the resurrecting of the old USSR.
Will probably bring about a greater alliance between Russia and the Arab
nations. Russian nationalism is always simmering right under the surface.

Or not.

hahaha