USS GABRIELLE GIFFORDS ??????? WTF !!!!!!!

You're one moronic Yankee fucktard if you think you can deny how your POV mutated when you had your dumb-Yankee ass skewered by facts, you dopey Yankee buffoon.

Even the desert tortoise is smarter than you, you ignorant Yankee mick. The desert tortoise managed to coexist with the American Bison and cattle for hundreds of years in their chosen habitat; whereas, your dumb Yankee ass was run out of New York, and now your pretentious and disgruntled Yankee ass is forced to coexist, much to your moronic dismay, with Texans who think you're a dim-witted Yankee prick Originally Posted by I B Hankering
You see, dipshti? You did it again.

You are arguing whether or not the BLM was right about the desert tortoise. That isn't the point. The BLM only needs to have a rational basis for doing what they do to avoie being "arbitrary".

And you think you are "skewering" me with facts, but you haven't cited any. You THINK you are pointing out "facts" when you spout off nonsense about cattle and tortoises "living peacefully" for 500 years.

My response to you was to demand HOW you know that nonsense is true? You were caught in a lie.

That's why I asked you to PROVE that how many tortoises there were 500 years ago and how much range they covered.

I knew you couldn't answer, that's why I asked.

And you knew couldn't answer, that's why you are trying the change the subject by pretending that my POV mutated - whatever the fuck that means.

So, to return to THE argument, do you finally concede that the BLM has the right to increase grazing fees (for whatever reason) and such actions are not arbitrary?

I noticed you have said NOTHING about the rational basis argument.

Instead, you went BACK to stupid statements about the toroise and bison 500 years ago.

Were you there 500 years ago? Can your provide a link to show what you are saying is true? Or are you lying again?
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You see, dipshti? You did it again.

You are arguing whether or not the BLM was right about the desert tortoise. That isn't the point. The BLM only needs to have a rational basis for doing what they do to avoie being "arbitrary".

And you think you are "skewering" me with facts, but you haven't cited any. You THINK you are pointing out "facts" when you spout off nonsense about cattle and tortoises "living peacefully" for 500 years.

My response to you was to demand HOW you know that nonsense is true? You were caught in a lie.

That's why I asked you to PROVE that how many tortoises there were 500 years ago and how much range they covered.

I knew you couldn't answer, that's why I asked.

And you knew couldn't answer, that's why you are trying the change the subject by pretending that my POV mutated - whatever the fuck that means.

So, to return to THE argument, do you finally concede that the BLM has the right to increase grazing fees (for whatever reason) and such actions are not arbitrary?

I noticed you have said NOTHING about the rational basis argument.

Instead, you went BACK to stupid statements about the toroise and bison 500 years ago.

Were you there 500 years ago? Can your provide a link to show what you are saying is true? Or are you lying again?
 Originally Posted by ExNYer
FACT: this whole dispute started when the BLM directed Bundy to reduce his herd size to ostensibly save habitat for the desert tortoise, you moronic Yankee twit. FACT: when BLM directed Bundy to take an 85% reduction in income to save habitat for the desert tortoise while allowing Reid's politically connected and moneyed interests to proceed with the commercial development of desert tortoise habitat, that is "arbitrary enforcement", you mentally incompetent Yankee jackass. FACT: the desert tortoise has coexisted with large, grazing herbivores for hundreds of years, you mentally-diminutive Yankee moron. FACT, you're a moronic Yankee jackass that never met a fact you didn't deny.
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Who calls anyone a Yankee anymore?

Oh yeah, Buttman! The embodiment of All things Goober.
FACT: this whole dispute started when the BLM directed Bundy to reduce his herd size to ostensibly save habitat for the desert tortoise, you moronic Yankee twit. Originally Posted by I B Hankering
FACT: The BLM cited a LOT of reasons for charging grazing fees, tranny fuckee. Soil erosion, water conservation, infrastucture costs (fences, water tanks), pollution (of streams by cattle feces microbes), damage to foliage, etc. The tortoise was only ONE thing.

And NONE of that is "starting anything" dimwit. That is their "job". Even if Bundy doesn't like when they do it.

FACT: when BLM directed Bundy to take an 85% reduction in income to save habitat for the desert tortoise while allowing Reid's politically connected and moneyed interests to proceed with the commercial development of desert tortoise habitat, that is "arbitrary enforcement", you mentally incompetent Yankee jackass. Originally Posted by I B Hankering
LIAR.

FACT - Bundy started fighting the BLM YEARS before Reid was involved in the solar farm. So the Reid deal had NO bearing on Bundy's fight. You cannot time-travel, lying dimwit.

FACT - The solar farm is about 180 miles away from Bundy's grazing area. So it is NOT an equivalent substitute.

Can you provide a "trustworthy" link that shows there are desert tortoises near the solar farm location? If not, shut up.

Can you provide a "trustworthy" link that shows the solar farm would hurt tortoises in any event? If not, shut up.

Can you demonstrate that the BLM does NOT have a "rational basis", as the term is LEGALLY used, to reduce grazing in Bundy's location OR for permitting a solar farm 180 miles away? If not, then shut your ignorant mouth about the BLM engaging in "arbitrary" action.

FACT: the desert tortoise has coexisted with large, grazing herbivores for hundreds of years, you mentally-diminutive Yankee moron. Originally Posted by I B Hankering
Prove it. Provide a link from a trustworthy source that shows that the desert tortoise has NOT been harmed by cattle grazing for hundreds of years. Otherwise, shut up. Your bald assertions are NOT facts.

BTW, I notice you have shifted from "Mexicans" grazing "cattle" there "500 years" ago to bison (or more broadly, "large herbivores") grazing there for hundreds of years. What happened? Couldn't find a Wiki link for the Mexican thing?

FACT, you're a moronic Yankee jackass that never met a fact you didn't deny. Originally Posted by I B Hankering
FACT - You are a dimwitted Confederate sympathizer who could never tell the difference between a real fact and his own unsupported assertions.

Start posting some links or shut up IBLying.
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FACT: The BLM cited a LOT of reasons for charging grazing fees, tranny fuckee. Soil erosion, water conservation, infrastucture costs (fences, water tanks), pollution (of streams by cattle feces microbes), damage to foliage, etc. The tortoise was only ONE thing.

And NONE of that is "starting anything" dimwit. That is their "job". Even if Bundy doesn't like when they do it.


LIAR.

FACT - Bundy started fighting the BLM YEARS before Reid was involved in the solar farm. So the Reid deal had NO bearing on Bundy's fight. You cannot time-travel, lying dimwit.

FACT - The solar farm is about 180 miles away from Bundy's grazing area. So it is NOT an equivalent substitute.

Can you provide a "trustworthy" link that shows there are desert tortoises near the solar farm location? If not, shut up.

Can you provide a "trustworthy" link that shows the solar farm would hurt tortoises in any event? If not, shut up.

Can you demonstrate that the BLM does NOT have a "rational basis", as the term is LEGALLY used, to reduce grazing in Bundy's location OR for permitting a solar farm 180 miles away? If not, then shut your ignorant mouth about the BLM engaging in "arbitrary" action.

Prove it. Provide a link from a trustworthy source that shows that the desert tortoise has NOT been harmed by cattle grazing for hundreds of years. Otherwise, shut up. Your bald assertions are NOT facts.

BTW, I notice you have shifted from "Mexicans" grazing "cattle" there "500 years" ago to bison (or more broadly, "large herbivores") grazing there for hundreds of years. What happened? Couldn't find a Wiki link for the Mexican thing?


FACT - You are a dimwitted Confederate sympathizer who could never tell the difference between a real fact and his own unsupported assertions.

Start posting some links or shut up IBLying.
 Originally Posted by ExNYer
FACT: The desert tortoise has coexisted with cattle and other large grazing herbivores, e.g., the American Bison, for hundreds of years, you dumb-fuck Yankee asshole, and that's been repeatedly pointed out to your dim-witted Yankee ass.

FACT: Despite your ignorant deflections, you Yankee retard, the Reid deal shows the BLM is arbitrarily enforcing the law, and Reid's commercial venture wasn't the first and only example of such commercial development.

FACT: Never argued that "Mexicans" grazed cattle there, you fucking Yankee prick -- argued that Spaniards introduced cattle -- and horses, btw -- into the American Southwest in the 16th century, you moronic Yankee fucktard.

FACT: You're still a lying, cum-sucking Yankee dude-fucking-dandy!
FACT: The desert tortoise has coexisted with cattle and other large grazing herbivores, e.g., the American Bison, for hundreds of years, you dumb-fuck Yankee asshole, and that's been repeatedly pointed out to your dim-witted Yankee ass.

OPINION - No matter how many time you say it is "fact". You also have switched from "peacefully coexisted" to "coexisted" because you have NO IDEA whether or not the presence of cattle has killed off large numbers of tortoises over the centuries. Otherwise you would have posted a link, IBLying. You just made that shit up.

FACT: Despite your ignorant deflections, you Yankee retard, the Reid deal shows the BLM is arbitrarily enforcing the law, and Reid's commercial venture wasn't the first and only example of such commercial development.

OPINION - not fact. The Reid deal - which never went through - is NOT comparable to Bundy's situation. You simple assert that is it with NO evidence to back it up. And you KNOW the Reid non-deal is a lousy argument, that is why now slyly introducing other commercial developments without, of course, identifying them in any way. LIAR.

FACT: Never argued that "Mexicans" grazed cattle there, you fucking Yankee prick -- argued that Spaniards introduced cattle -- and horses, btw -- into the American Southwest in the 16th century, you moronic Yankee fucktard.

And never produced any evidence that they were NOT harming the native species. You just ASSERTED that they do not.

FACT: You're still a lying, cum-sucking Yankee dude-fucking-dandy!

FACT - You still like to get ass-pounded by trannies. Originally Posted by I B Hankering
You've got nothing.
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Nothing like hearing the facts from a man who rejects his own savior and eschews the values of the church and his own party.

You can't believe a word IBIdiot says.
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Once again, props to IB for all the variations on the "Yankee" series of insults!!
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And props also to IB for continuing his idiocy ...in yet another thread.

Go IB.

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And props to JL for becoming IBIdiot's soiled breechclout.
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OPINION - No matter how many time you say it is "fact". You also have switched from "peacefully coexisted" to "coexisted" because you have NO IDEA whether or not the presence of cattle has killed off large numbers of tortoises over the centuries. You're a liar because you cannot cite where you saw "peacefully coexisted" other than in your own ignorant posts, you dumb Yankee prick. Otherwise you would have posted a link, IBLying. You just made that shit up. Again, you're a liar, because, a link was already cited and posted in the other thread wherein it was reported that the desert tortoise and cattle have coexisted for hundreds of years.

OPINION - not fact. The Reid deal - which never went through - is NOT comparable to Bundy's situation. You simple assert that is it with NO evidence to back it up. And you KNOW the Reid non-deal is a lousy argument, that is why now slyly introducing other commercial developments without, of course, identifying them in any way. LIAR. Still again, you're a liar, you spud sucking Yankee mick, per the BLM:

“Non-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle.”


And never produced any evidence that they were NOT harming the native species. You just ASSERTED that they do not. The "proof" exists in the mere fact that these two creatures have coexisted for hundreds of years, you pud-suckling Yankee moron.

FACT - You still like to get ass-pounded by trannies.

Once again you had to insult your cheap, double-bagger, whoring-sister, you racist, dumb-fuck Yankee jackass. You really shouldn't call your cheap, double-bagger, whoring-sister a "tranny", you racist, dumb-fuck Yankee jackass.

You've got nothing. Said the dumb-fuck Yankee jackass talking to his prick. Originally Posted by ExNYer

Nothing like hearing the facts from a man who rejects his own savior and eschews the values of the church and his own party.

You can't believe a word IBIdiot says. Originally Posted by Yssup Rider
Considering you're the resident liar and everything you post is untrue, you lying, hypocritical, racist, cum-gobbling golem fucktard, HDDB, DEM, the opposite of what you say more often reflects the truth.



And props also to IB for continuing his idiocy ...in yet another thread.

Go IB.

Originally Posted by JCM800
You'd have to graduate into and progress through full retardation before you had any inkling as to what is meant by idiocy, 1-800-JCM-DATO: the lying, hypocritical, racist, cum-gobbling golem fucktard, HDDB, DEM's soiled breechclout.


And props to JL for becoming IBIdiot's soiled breechclout. Originally Posted by Yssup Rider
That tickling sensation you have in your ass is 1-800-JCM-DATO: the lying, hypocritical, racist, cum-gobbling golem fucktard, HDDB, DEM's soiled breechclout giving you a rim-job, you lying, hypocritical, racist, cum-gobbling golem fucktard, HDDB, DEM.
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Considering you're the resident liar and everything you post is untrue, you lying, hypocritical, racist, cum-gobbling golem fucktard, HDDB, DEM, the opposite of what you say more often reflects the truth.



You'd have to graduate into and progress through full retardation before you had any inkling as to what is meant by idiocy, 1-800-JCM-DATO: the lying, hypocritical, racist, cum-gobbling golem fucktard, HDDB, DEM's soiled breechclout.


That tickling sensation you have in your ass is 1-800-JCM-DATO: the lying, hypocritical, racist, cum-gobbling golem fucktard, HDDB, DEM's soiled breechclout giving you a rim-job, you lying, hypocritical, racist, cum-gobbling golem fucktard, HDDB, DEM. Originally Posted by I B Hankering

NOW WHO CAN ARGUE WITH THAT? Everybody, please read this remarkable post out loud and try to keep a straight face.

LMAO @ JL's SOILED BREECHCLOUT
The "proof" exists in the mere fact that these two creatures have coexisted for hundreds of years, you pud-suckling Yankee moron. Originally Posted by I B Hankering
Pay attention, Cock Whisperer:

How does it "prove" they are coexisting if you don't know how many tortoises there were "hundreds of years ago"?

According to the BLM, the tortoise is rare and needs protection, including protection from being trampled by cattle or having their burrows caved in by a cow.

YOU say that isn't true because they have "coexisted" for hundreds of years.

But if cattle wiped out, say 90% of the tortoises, that isn't "coexistence".

So, tranny fuckee, where is your evidence that cattle have not adversely affected the tortoise population?

Do you have something - anything - better than a quote from "Mrs. Kena Lytle Gloeckner" - a biased, self-interested rancher - to support that?

Keep making shit up and calling it "Fact".
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Ding, ding, ding...round 10 about to begin...
This is good! But, who is going for the TKO lmfao! Love this bloody forum!
nyRINOer, your argument that cows slaughtered tortoises is ridiculous...