New to the Hobby - terrible experience so far =/

Some of the wiser guys have figured this guy out. He just posted another thread giving advice on how to maneuver a bait and switch on bp but he is new to this. OK...I feel terrible for guys who spend time playing on the internet. Must be a lonely life.....Dude most of us simply want to have unencumbered sex without having to worry about a pimp hiding under the bed, in the shower , not get what we want, falling victim to bait and switch, getting robbed, beatnupbor shot while having an idea of expected donation. It's really that simple. Simply see two people on the newbie list in a day or two then you or off to the Lauren Mayfair's or that other incredibly pretty pale redhead. It's really that simple. Just have money, be able to read and don't be a lunatic....

The way I would understand "NEWBIE FRIENDLY" would be not needing any references, as you would not have any and are trying to build references from Verified Providers.

At least that's how I see it. Please clarify Justme & Fancy when you get a chance. As every Provider does have their own ways to screen. But when "I" say that I'm Newbie Friendly. I do NOT ask for references. Originally Posted by Luvs2Purrr

Fancy's the one to answer. myself, just helped construct/engineer the look. also point out the boogers and such when the creation seems to be experiencing technical difficulties and try to help. Boss Lady Sig. included.

That's the premise of my wee project, the Houston Newbie-Friendly Provider List. New Hobbyists have no references, so have to be screened other ways, and the companions on the list work with such fellows, or are supposed to, anyway, and then after seeing them give references if, and ONLY if, the sessions went well and the gentlemen followed the rules.

I did bounce one lady. She was willing to see newbies, but NEVER gave references. What's the point?........................ .............................. ........ Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

and my analytical nature says there is a technicality here. newbies can have references. brand new newbies generally don't. some could be returning after a hiatus yet still have an ATF(s) that will vouch. of course that could be found unacceptable. then some ladies require two references, some three references. maybe some require more? (not come across more than three that I remember right now) example, the main reason I started getting references was to meet a specific provider who required three. so even when I acquired two references was still a newbie to that provider. and damned I never did get to meet that one. ha. ha.

BP is not the place to look for a dinner date. Sorry about your bad experience so far. Originally Posted by Elise Jolie

you can't hardly find a kiss on BP. ha, ha. (*sarcasm*)

To the BP note - had I known three days ago what I know now, I never would have cruised BP in the first place, or made an embarrassing phone call or two. The girl who did show up to a date wasn't communicative prior to the date, so I couldn't explain what was appropriate.

Fancy has been a great help, both in PM and on the phone. I'm trying to schedule her for a lunch at a favorite restaurant of mine that she's been thinking about trying, and have some presents for her in appreciation of her schooling.

As has been pointed out though - Fancy can say that I'm a nice guy, presentable, and everything else - but that doesn't assuage anyone's concerns for behavior BCD, or constitute a reference.

I *very much* apologize for what I'm going to say next, because I think it is offensive, and should be tastefully obvious and not require speaking.

I see the newbie friendly list, and it's providers, and didn't reach out to any of them because none were quite to my taste.

-I've reached out to several providers, including one offer of several providers, if having several of them at the same time would make them more comfortable with a newbie. I've been shut down on all fronts since I'm a newbie.

-I've received notes from ladies around the world, but flying someone into Houston for a first date...for my first ever date is uncomfortable.

-And finally, I'm adamant that I refuse to "sleep my way to the top." There's much in life that I've never done - an incredible amount of things that I've never done - that I would like to do at least once in this lifetime. Some of the most basic essential services that people talk about are things I've never experienced. It frustrates me - has frustrated me for years - that these are things unavailable in my personal life. I'd like to experience them, but I demand (and will pay for) those experiences to be crafted how I want them, with a memorable woman, and creating memories that I will never forget.

When I'm old and grey, I want to reminisce about the most beautiful woman I ever had a date with, and the most amazing time that we had. No part of that story is going to involve the women I had to sleep with to get there.

and my analytical nature says there is a technicality here. newbies can have references. brand new newbies generally don't. some could be returning after a hiatus yet still have an ATF(s) that will vouch. Originally Posted by JustMeCLTXGG

I wonder if there is confusion in the community about what a newbie is? When a provider says that she is newbie friendly, but requires references - logically, I suppose she means that she's taking on new clients, who are existing hobbyists.

When I refer to myself as a newbie, I mean that I'm entirely new to the hobby.

Are both valid definitions, or is one of us confused?

Some of the wiser guys have figured this guy out. He just posted another thread giving advice on how to maneuver a bait and switch on bp but he is new to this. OK...I feel terrible for guys who spend time playing on the internet. Must be a lonely life.....Dude most of us simply want to have unencumbered sex without having to worry about a pimp hiding under the bed, in the shower , not get what we want, falling victim to bait and switch, getting robbed, beatnupbor shot while having an idea of expected donation. It's really that simple. Simply see two people on the newbie list in a day or two then you or off to the Lauren Mayfair's or that other incredibly pretty pale redhead. It's really that simple. Just have money, be able to read and don't be a lunatic.... Originally Posted by shinepro

I posted in another thread that I clicked on an advertisement link on ECCIE and read the guide, thought it was interesting because of all the BP discussions about people's pictures not matching their actual in-person appearance (Since so many BP advertisements are using stock photos, photos of models, or of people who are not themselves).

And if you're cruising around looking at things I'm writing, you'll have seen that the only time I tried going through with something was with a girl from an agency in Las Vegas, and it went terribly.

no.........more than one of you is confused........ijs

Here's my advice...your horrible experiences are God telling you to quit trying to cheat on your wife...

You're welcome...

Find one....I'll come.... Originally Posted by Russ38

San Diego..

http://sandiego.backpage.com/FemaleE...idget/18559607

Kentucky...

http://louisville.backpage.com/Femal...eviews/7942901


In any case it's gonna be a long drive for some short snatch.

Shouldn't this wine thread be moved to the Sandbox?. Originally Posted by chicagoboy

Only after the OP gets some cheese first.

To the BP note - had I known three days ago what I know now, I never would have cruised BP in the first place, or made an embarrassing phone call or two. The girl who did show up to a date wasn't communicative prior to the date, so I couldn't explain what was appropriate.

Fancy has been a great help, both in PM and on the phone. I'm trying to schedule her for a lunch at a favorite restaurant of mine that she's been thinking about trying, and have some presents for her in appreciation of her schooling.

As has been pointed out though - Fancy can say that I'm a nice guy, presentable, and everything else - but that doesn't assuage anyone's concerns for behavior BCD, or constitute a reference.

I *very much* apologize for what I'm going to say next, because I think it is offensive, and should be tastefully obvious and not require speaking.

I see the newbie friendly list, and it's providers, and didn't reach out to any of them because none were quite to my taste.

-I've reached out to several providers, including one offer of several providers, if having several of them at the same time would make them more comfortable with a newbie. I've been shut down on all fronts since I'm a newbie.

-I've received notes from ladies around the world, but flying someone into Houston for a first date...for my first ever date is uncomfortable.

-And finally, I'm adamant that I refuse to "sleep my way to the top." There's much in life that I've never done - an incredible amount of things that I've never done - that I would like to do at least once in this lifetime. Some of the most basic essential services that people talk about are things I've never experienced. It frustrates me - has frustrated me for years - that these are things unavailable in my personal life. I'd like to experience them, but I demand (and will pay for) those experiences to be crafted how I want them, with a memorable woman, and creating memories that I will never forget.

When I'm old and grey, I want to reminisce about the most beautiful woman I ever had a date with, and the most amazing time that we had. No part of that story is going to involve the women I had to sleep with to get there. Originally Posted by TravelingGentleman

DUDE GET ON MATCH.COM AND LET IT GO

GET REFERENCES OR DON'T GET LAID SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO SLEEP WITH FIONA. IN ORDER TO FUCK SLEEPING BEAUTY!! Its a fucking hooker board for fucks sake ... Stop Crying Like a MITCH!!

LET IT GO ... Stop Crying Like a MITCH!! Originally Posted by Dorthy_Monroe

So sad - I was hoping to spoil you.

Just as well. Snarky is fun, Sarcasm more so - rudeness is a turn-off. I don't think we'd make good drinking companions.

ha, ha. if I didn't know better I'd suggest that sounds lilke harlot talk! Originally Posted by JustMeCLTXGG

If he turns out to be a Cop , it sound like the start of solicitation.

I wonder if there is confusion in the community about what a newbie is? When a provider says that she is newbie friendly, but requires references - logically, I suppose she means that she's taking on new clients, who are existing hobbyists. Originally Posted by TravelingGentleman

nah. most aren't confused. there's just a hump to get over. for most the hump is two or three references. you're still a newbie but then the majority might be willing to meet. and just because you do meet or see a provider and do BCD activities if she doesn't give references then no bueno. (happens here but think BP)

you're supposition refers to an ad that is not ideally worded and/or is confusing sounds like.

When I refer to myself as a newbie, I mean that I'm entirely new to the hobby. Originally Posted by TravelingGentleman

we know and yes, you are one.

Are both valid definitions, or is one of us confused? Originally Posted by TravelingGentleman

you're confused. thought I explained it simply. if not my bad.

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.............................. .............................. ...........I don't think we'd make good drinking companions. Originally Posted by TravelingGentleman

That's the premise of my wee project, the Houston Newbie-Friendly Provider List. New Hobbyists have no references, so have to be screened other ways, and the companions on the list work with such fellows, or are supposed to, anyway, and then after seeing them give references if, and ONLY if, the sessions went well and the gentlemen followed the rules.

I did bounce one lady. She was willing to see newbies, but NEVER gave references. What's the point?

I don't think that TG is being unreasonable, or that he is a troll IMHO, just that he has different standards than ECCIE and may be in the wrong place for what he wants. He may also need to communicate his desires more fully.

Yes, we ladies should always be aware of having to fit into our environment (be the chameleon), but if a fellow wishes a lady to dress a certain way, and he intends to sport a suit, probably best he indicate that up front. Houston is a very laid-back city, and what's considered appropriate varies by the person beholding the beauty and the dress code of the establishment.

A note about dinner dates involving no BCD, or nekkid behind-closed-doors activities; most providers are NOT going to accept these as references.

TG said he wanted to be judged on personality, presentation, and actions, and that's understandable in the REAL world. Problem is in the Hobby, how does an escort know that the fellow isn't a member of a morality enforcement agency trying to pump her for information?

I still do non-BCD dates (frequently with gents who like a lady on their arm for the opera, symphony, theater, or some social gathering), but I limit talk about anything that could compromise Hobby safety. Plenty of other topics to chit chat about.

Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

I like the way you're thinking on this regard.

I wonder if there is confusion in the community about what a newbie is? When a provider says that she is newbie friendly, but requires references - logically, I suppose she means that she's taking on new clients, who are existing hobbyists.

When I refer to myself as a newbie, I mean that I'm entirely new to the hobby.

Are both valid definitions, or is one of us confused?



I posted in another thread that I clicked on an advertisement link on ECCIE and read the guide, thought it was interesting because of all the BP discussions about people's pictures not matching their actual in-person appearance (Since so many BP advertisements are using stock photos, photos of models, or of people who are not themselves).

And if you're cruising around looking at things I'm writing, you'll have seen that the only time I tried going through with something was with a girl from an agency in Las Vegas, and it went terribly. Originally Posted by TravelingGentleman

Have you tried reaching out to Champagne Brown?

Have you tried reaching out to Champagne Brown? Originally Posted by StinkyFingers

I haven't. I saw her ad here - I don't feel any attraction.

heh