You can't put the whole blame on Biden or Trump or Obama or Bush or any one President.
This goes back to the Soviet war in Afghanistan.
Who created Usama Bin Laden?
Who created Al Qaeda?
We did, the United States of America.
We funded and armed Bin Laden and the Mujahideen to fight the Soviets by funneling money and weapons to them via Saudi Arabia.
After the Soviets were defeated, the USA left the Afghan people to fend for themselves instead of helping them rebuild their country damaged by war.
Bin Laden felt betrayed by the USA, he felt the USA promised them something better for his country both economically and as a standing in the world.
He decided the USA would become his new enemy which led to the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, the attack on the USS Cole, the 2 African Embassies bombing and then the 9/11 World Trade Center towers attacks.
Afghanistan has always been a region with a history of being engulfed by war and conflicts during modern age and before that.
WIKI:
The land has historically been home to various peoples and has witnessed numerous military campaigns, including those by Alexander the Great, Mauryas, Muslim Arabs, Mongols, British
( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Anglo-Afghan_War, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Anglo-Afghan_War, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Anglo-Afghan_War ,) Soviets, and since 2001 by the United States with NATO-allied countries. It has been called "unconquerable" and nicknamed the "graveyard of empires," though it has been occupied during several different periods of its history.
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The war was won back in 2014.
Originally Posted by royamcr
Really got a cite on that?
Originally Posted by gnadfly
I think
royamcr meant 2011 when Biden was killed by the US SOF (United States Special Operations Forces) was when the USA won the war in Afghanistan and should had left then.
Another 10, 20, 30 years there with more dead American and NATO troops lives would not had made any difference. We had to leave sooner or later.
We spent 20 years building and training and equipping an Afghan Army to defend their own country and no one could had predicted they would turn and run with their tails tucked between their legs without even putting up a fight.
It's like the South Vietnamese Army, after the USA pulled out all its combat troops and leave South Vietnam to fight North Vietnam on their own. they collapsed.
But the USA pulled out in March 1973 and South Vietnam did not collapse to North Vietnam until April 1975. At least they put up a fight against the NVA and Viet Cong.
The Afghan army or Afghan security force, whatever or however you want to call them by, didn't even last a month.
2 Decades Of American Blood and Treasure Gone Almost In Minutes, Thanks Joey Bibs!
Originally Posted by gnadfly
The actual estimates do not include only American:
Over 7,000 American lives lost including non military personnel but not including the countless who will have psychological and physical suffering for the rest of their lives from being wounded and from what they saw and experience while serving in Afghanistan.
Over 1,200 NATO military service members lives.
Over 107,000 Afghan military, police and civilian lives.
