TAKE NOTICE - Hobbyist Creedo

Rand, you are exactly right. It is impossible to honestly answer this poll with an "agree". You either did not take his question as written or you are trying to hold yourself up as this beacon of civility that will somehow gain you favor w/ providers.

Dear_John,
The person that took this to the extreme was Dogger by making his poll absolute with zero exceptions. He put the ground rules in place for such examples to be used.

This moral high ground is bullshit. The ethical high horse I rode in on trumps your moral horse. Dogger, I condemn you as a moral leach. More than likely, considering the timing of this "poll" quite a few of those who agreed to respect women knew what this poll was about. To those people who agreed, I also condemn you as scum. Moral high ground without the foundation of thought and ethics is bound to crumble, and crumble into a massive pile of shit. Those of you who voted "Agree" to this, since the poll says "I will respect women of all ages and in every circumstance.", these are the women you have agreed to respect:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...-1225846185966
Steals money from old men after coming onto them.

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2...-guilty-murder
Killed her baby for interrupting her gaming.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...y-killed_N.htm
Killed, then ate parts of her infant.

http://gawker.com/5672655/woman-kill...void-the-devil
Read the link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aileen_Wuornos
Killed 7 men while prostituting at truck stops.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karla_Homolka
Killed three women with her BF, torturing and sexually abusing them. One of them was her own sister.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/828906/detail.html
Killed her 5 children by drowning them.

Basically, you have agreed to respect Hitler if Hitler had a vagina. Learn to think before you blindly agree to bullshit rhetoric. You are the reason why politicians aren't held accountable, you are the reason why your own life is shitty, you are the reason why atrocities happen, you are the reason why leaches continue to make a living by selling guilt in this world.

Don't bother coming at me with "Oh, but you chose all the worst case scenarios." You agreed, EVERY CIRCUMSTANCE. This is what you signed up for, this is what you agreed to respect and uphold. Don't bullshit yourself into thinking otherwise.

Clap, mother fuckers, clap. These are the women you agreed to respect. Originally Posted by Rand Al'Thor

Fascinating results. Much of the disparity comes from some of vigorous and vitriolic I see few vitriolic responses, no need to get defensive responses in the Houston and Austin forums lambasting 'lambasting' is a bit over the top even asking the question. No, the main objection is that the question was poorly drafted and logically incoherent. This at first swayed the early results nearly 2-1 against but as the detractors detractors - you mean it wasn't a poll, it was a campaign? - slowly silenced, the “for’s” became much less intimidated. intimidated - aren't you making some assumptions here? How do you know they were intimidated?

Now to respond to some of the remarkable criticism. Why are you saying it was remarkable? What was remarkable about it?
Originally Posted by TheDogger

If you asked me whether there is scope for a greater degree of mutual respect, and some threads leave at minimum a bad taste, I would say 'Hell yes, sign me up', but that isn't what you asked.

But who wouldn't say that more respect is needed in this world? So that would also be pointless, everybody should vote Yes.

Here’s the definition pertinent to this thread:
3.
esteem for or a sense of the worth or excellence of a person, a personal quality or ability, or something considered as a manifestation of a personal quality or ability
Originally Posted by Rand Al'Thor

I think I am beginning to understand this poll.

Do you agree that you should respect all qualities and abilities, and manifestations of all qualities and abilities, of all people whatever the circumstances, and whatever the level of quality or ability or level of excellence?

Let me think a bit.

No, hell no, I don't even respect my own ability to refrain from participating in pointless threads.

Anybody heard of reductio ad absurbum, or whatever it is called?

Lets just look at the title of this thread/poll.

TAKE NOTICE - in caps as if yelling for all of us simple minded ones that would have missed it otherwise.

Hobbyist Creedo - so this is a poll/thread about a religious belief by hobbyist. Seems rather odd to me and it should be Credo not Creedo.

Could it be that some of the females in the neighborhood have been offended by some recent posts? Is this poll/thread intended to sooth their ruffled feathers? Is this WKing on a grand scale?

You just came out and 'revealed' a poster by name , Monkey Paw, in the Men's Lounge and made a public poll of it ? Originally Posted by Htowner

Nope, I revealed no one's name in any manner whatsoever. Not sure what you're addressing.

I would respect anybody that do not disrespect me. Like BDS said give respect get respect.

I've been nothing but appalled over much of what is going on in the Houston CoEd and Men's Lounge i.e. MonkeyPaw.

I think we gentlemen hobbyists need to take a stand and be counted. Originally Posted by TheDogger

I do agree that the misogynistic crowd has become much more vocal in the past couple of months. And I think that's a shame, because the result could be to turn Eccie into Horndogs. Thanks, but no thanks.

On the other hand, your position is as far to the lapdog end of the scale as theirs is to the asshole end. I don't think this board needs to be Midnight Live ca 2009, either.

How about a happy medium? Respect everyone (male or female) until they give a good reason not to be respected. That's been my approach ever since I started hobbying, and it's served me well.

Yes it is a pussy thread just made to kiss ass I don't think we need to be the ass kisser the op wants us to be or the mean folks from the other board. But I can't see blindly giving respect to people. I will be civil until you earn or lose respect. Yep I think the op is hard core white knight, it is what it is.

Nope, I revealed no one's name in any manner whatsoever. Not sure what you're addressing. Originally Posted by TheDogger

What part of revealing Mens' Lounge content don't you understand?
You referenced the originto have come from Men's Lounge.
You mentioned the culprit was Monkey Paw.
You mentioned that it was disrespectuful to women in some ways or another.

So the only thing you didn't mentin was who was the girl and in what manner. Other than that, it is all there.
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What is there to miss?

What part of revealing Mens' Lounge content don't you understand?
You referenced the originto have come from Men's Lounge.
You mentioned the culprit was Monkey Paw.
You mentioned that it was disrespectuful to women in some ways or another.

So the only thing you didn't mentin was who was the girl and in what manner. Other than that, it is all there.
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What is there to miss? Originally Posted by Htowner

That entire thread was started in Co-Ed then moved to Men's Lounge. No secrets here at all.

Thank you, Dear_John, I know it's extreme. However, the tone and every word in that post is intentional. Sometimes, it does take a sledge hammer to drive a finishing nail. Originally Posted by Rand Al'Thor

Ok for you to do so and not anyone else?

I create a thread in the extreme to flesh out the issue, create discussion and you get pissed off?

So...its because all you want is the last word and no one else can play by the same terms as you?

That's what makes this thread so interesting and even though I don't agree, I respect your opinion.

As it relates to those women...don't need to address this more than to say what I've already said. Respect doesn't mean you put them on a pedestal and serve them coffee, it means to find solutions to even horrific situations in a manner that is respectful as a human being. That is what the law is all about.

Yep I think the op is hard core white knight, it is what it is. Originally Posted by trey

No, I am not a white knight on any scale. People keep saying that over and over to justify their anger at this thread.

Again, I created this thread so that a fleshing out of ideas and perspectives can take place.

Why all the anger?

That entire thread was started in Co-Ed then moved to Men's Lounge. No secrets here at all. Originally Posted by TheDogger

Actually it was started in the "other reviews" forum not Co-Ed.

Everyone's own opinion matters the most, but only to their self. You guys anger so easily..

Ok for you to do so and not anyone else?

I create a thread in the extreme to flesh out the issue, create discussion and you get pissed off? Originally Posted by TheDogger

Make no mistake, I fully support your right to make posts like this. In fact, it's great.

What pisses me off is what you are and what others have done by agreeing to this mockery of a poll.

So...its because all you want is the last word and no one else can play by the same terms as you?

What is this in reference to? Everyone else is free to chime in for 'the last word' or play by whatever terms they want to play by. Just don't cry about it when I call you out for playing by terms that are idiotic.

That's what makes this thread so interesting and even though I don't agree, I respect your opinion.

Let it out, Dogger. I disagree with you, and I don't respect your opinion. See how I used the word respect there? I don't think your opinion is correct, has no merit, and is misleading, therefore, I do not respect it. This is called logic and consistency. I will say you have every right to spew whatever you call opinion all day. I do respect the First Amendment.

As it relates to those women...don't need to address this more than to say what I've already said. Respect doesn't mean you put them on a pedestal and serve them coffee, it means to find solutions to even horrific situations in a manner that is respectful as a human being. That is what the law is all about.

You're right, respect doesn't mean putting anybody on a pedestal and serving them coffee. If you read my post over, you might note that I never said respect means any of the above. However, respect also does not mean "finding solutions to horrific situations in a manner that is respectful as a human being." That is also not what "the law is all about"

Let's look at the first part - meaning of respect. Since you seemed to have missed the first time I posted the definition, I will post it again. "esteem for or a sense of the worth or excellence of a person, a personal quality or ability, or something considered as a manifestation of a personal quality or ability" Note, it is possible for me to be respectful to someone while not respecting them. I say this to you again because I'm ever the optimist and think that maybe the 30th time it's repeated to you, it might seep through your skull. I will never respect the women I’ve listed. I will not respect those who do not earn respect just because they have a vagina. The act of “respecting” someone or something regardless of their actions or situation is closer to worship than respect. The very definition of respect makes it conditional. You are free to worship at the temple of vagina; I respect that amendment as well.

Now, let’s talk about what the law is all about. Do you really believe that the law is all about finding solutions to horrific situations in a manner that is respectful? You seem to have focused on the cruel and unusual punishment clause. You forget the bigger picture that the law is to uphold justice and ethics. Please hold your brainless rhetoric, I do not accept them.

You go find your “respectful solutions”, I will always condone putting a bitch who eats her kids to death.

No, I am not a white knight on any scale. People keep saying that over and over to justify their anger at this thread.

Again, I created this thread so that a fleshing out of ideas and perspectives can take place.

Why all the anger? Originally Posted by TheDogger

You are the biggest white knight I have seen on this board. You want to flesh out ideas? What ideas have you “fleshed” out? You’re not listening to opposing views, you’ve already made up your mind before you ever started this thread.