19 Trees "Alert" Thread / Resignation Story... Inquiring Minds want to know.

Interesting Placement.... Originally Posted by Whispers

Actually it matches the info in the review trees wrote of her over 7 months ago. So not sure what you are trying to insinuate by this comment, but you should do a little "investigating" before you go throwin around such insinuations. For the self appointed detective to be so lackadaisical is hilarious I think.

Either way. It's pretty clear from the beginning who had an agenda here, and are looking for any little thing they can to confirm that agenda.

Anyway, if nothing comes of this witch hunt I think Whispers should have to give Trees a free session. And full GFE whispers. None of that CBJ bullshit!! And trees I expect a full review complete with pics that will earn you points!

Karla is an experienced provider that has been around a while.... She knows what is right and wrong as well what goes on in this place. No one is going to pull the wool over her head....

That is not the case with a lot of ladies that are new to all of this.....

Johnyrod,

Thanks. Although Whispers is cute (in Pillsbury dough boy meets Ernie kind of way), Trees would strongly prefer one of his strippers. Or not.

Whispers will stay on this as a man that enjoys long time taking long dumps. Community might expect Whispers to post from his "reliable sources and meetings" and some might consume that shit and be satisfied with his hearsay and BS? Others will think its the rantings of a man with a mean streaked agenda, or is doing what he has been asked to do. Positively pertinacious.

Perhaps posting of Whispers dictatorial "you shall serve me or I will destroy you" PM's and emails might help Community learn deets on how deeply obsessive the man? Trees does NOT however, disclose private communications. Discretion is the better part of valor. Nor do scorched earth tactics make much sense. Rather lets focus on beautiful girls and intimate sexual experiences.

Here is Trees most recent review (though not most recent meeting) XOXO Karla. Each and every date with Karla, is in its own unique way the 'date of a lifetime' ...

http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=776505

19Trees

Karla is an experienced provider that has been around a while.... She knows what is right and wrong as well what goes on in this place. No one is going to pull the wool over her head....

That is not the case with a lot of ladies that are new to all of this..... Originally Posted by Whispers

I guess that includes YOU not pulling the wool over her head?

I'm disappointed I'll never be able to read trees review of you. Can I write a fictitious review on Trees behalf? I'm thinking Trees decides to do a role play and play the bad guy being seduced by the private investigator hired to catch him? Perhaps add a little dom in the mix forcing whispers to say "teehee" whenever trees pokes his belly. And end it with a teary eyed whispers whispering to Trees to please not post pics. Of course trees being the perfect gentleman would honor his request. Or not.

This is an interesting trial being put on. Here's how I see it: People want answers, therefor Whispers will conduct a trial, on a bulletin board that facilitates an activity deemed illegal in these parts. Don't kid yourselves, we're all outlaws here. An outlaw is someone that is barred from using the courts for resolution. Instead we have the court of Whispers. It's not a real court so procedure is determined by the holder of the court. I'm not saying Whispers is a bad guy, but there are a few details that rob this inquisition of any real legitimacy.

1. Produce the accusers. Who are the girls coming to Whispers? It's a valid question. When Ho's seek shelter from a longtime player it comes across as suspicious because that sort of thing screams pimp. Not saying Whispers is a pimp, but there are some pimpin' symptoms present.

2. No one is obligated to implicate/incriminate themselves. If Trees says “no comment” from here on in, I would personally not be offended.

3. Trees has had one provider stand up and vouch for his character. No providers have taken a stand against him. Are they that intimidated? These girls have guys lined up to be WK's, a derringer in their garter and enough real word information to bring down some pretty wealthy and influential guys. How much protection do they need? Did they get into this business thinking it was risk free?

4. Power corrupts. I'll buy that for a dollar. I'll also buy that Whispers has more power than Trees, has had that power longer, and is more savvy in how to apply said power. Plus the idea that anyone on this board is incorruptible is pretty far fetched.

I'm not saying Trees did no wrong, but how much wrong and how it affects the community (of people who use aliases for everything) is a matter of perspective. I'm not saying Whispers isn't concerned with the providers that confide in him or doesn't care about the community, but I don't think there is total objectivity on either part. If anyone cares about the truth at all they want to hear the story from Trees' live-in provider/roommate and other providers who where intimidated by Trees. Again, it is another perspective that is currently lacking from the big picture.

Perhaps after said providers testify they could be put the Ho witness protection program. Set them up with a new name and in-call in a new town, vouch for their skills on a that town's board, forge a few reviews. Sounds kind of Pimp-y right?

Full disclosure: I have never met Trees. I have met Whispers twice and he was a gentleman and paid for my drinks(fund-raisers). I have no reason to believe he is acting maliciously, but objectively there are some glaring omissions starting with the girls involved.

Objectively there are some glaring omissions starting with the girls involved. Originally Posted by junkweed

Few women working in the Sex industry are emotionally stable and/or strong willed Many lack self confidence. Young girls getting into this business often find their way to Pimps and do not make the break easily.

Similar personality traits can be found in women in abusive relationships.

Even taken advantage of, treated horribly and abused..... people often come to believe not only that they probably deserve it but that their abuser cares for them.

I've heard comments such as

"It's my fault for not knowing"
"If I could stand up for myself I would have told him to leave"
"I didn't want him to get mad at me for saying no"
"I didn't want him to write something mean"

A huge problem that exists in the interactions between guys and ladies here lies in the fact that MOST guys here have blinders on to the fact that MOST ladies here WANT to do what they are doing or ENJOY it in some fashion.

My opinion is that MOST of these ladies would rather do something else but are limited by either need or education and in many cases driven here by desperation.

SO what if some guy stays a little too long or short pays them when they already hate what they are doing. Some kind of expect it.

The ones with Pimps won't complain out loud that their Pimp takes most of what they earn. Or that they got a beating for not earning in some hard case situation.

Many will proclaim love for that person.

You are not going to see a progression of ladies step up and say anything about this any more than some pimps girls are going to suddenly decide to stand up to him,

There is no shortage of guys that do what it is that Trees is accused of doing. One of the ladies was planning on PMing every new lady that has posted in the Welcome Wagon in the last couple of months letting them know what was and was not acceptable behavior and inquire about what guys might be pushing the new ladies too hard for discounts or taking advantage of their time the way Trees was accused of.

I think the list of names she gets back, IF any come back to her, will be surprisingly long.

I've heard the same thing about other guys here, You can easily go through the list of guys writing reviews and probably guess.

How many people here dislike the notion of Pimps? How do you think a Pimp gets his hands on a lot of girls? Part of their game is pointing out that he is not going to let her get taken advantage of, that HE will make sure she is paid what she is worth, that he will make sure her time is respected....

There is no way anyone will ever get a grip on it all..... But when the person that is accused of doing it is a MOD, someone charged to an extent for looking out for the community, well.... it shouldn't get swept under the rug. Ladies should know that at least THOSE guys will treat them fairly..... We all should be able to know that,

This story is known to a lot of guys out there..... Some that you recognize and put a lot of credit in what they are saying. Ladies as well...... A lot of strong willed members with the ability to speak up and say they know this to be true as well could step up and help validate it.

But you are not going to see a group of the ladies that were wronged doing so. They are simply glad he is not a mod any more and want to move on.

If a MOD pulls shit like what Trees is accused of doing so and no one gives a fuck what kind of expectation are you setting for your future Mods?

This thread is like watching Fox News, you have no way of knowing what is trew or false. The facts are all just a bunch of words on a screen. There is no real face to face interaction here. He said she said. I don't know Trees, I do know Whispers. I don't trust anyone, only real world facts are credible. I would put my money on the notion that this whole farce was preconceived well before Whispers came back and is one if not the reason he came back.

I have never been a proponent of threads being created to solely create drama, I get it though, this is entertainment, Fox New.

The only members that know the truth here are Trees, and the ladies that have real face to face interaction. Anything else is hearsay. If what Trees says is trew then he should stand by it, own it, if Whispers has real credible information , face to face interaction then present it. Is Whispers the judge and jury here?

I get it, without an audience this thread is nothing but 1's and 0's just shit floating in cyberspace.

So right now it's Whispers word against Trees word. If some credible providers come forth with information then opinions can be made, the Mods are not saying anything, Whispers is not saying anything. Sorry but until real facts are presented this is nothing but a farce, prove me wrong. The mods let Trees go for whatever reasons they felt was valid, we don't know why. If it was an abuse of power then they did the right thing, only they know why a trees was let go.

The bottom line is does this have any value that is relevant to the real world? If not then it is all about shaming. If Trees did something that is shamble then shame on him, if not then shame on the accusers. I would think if this was a RW threat those that are in danger would have been contacted by the Mods. If it is just a shame on you thing then it really has no effect on the this board. Members get shamed here on a daily bases, it's all fun and games, or entertainment.

The truly sad thing here would be if one is innocent and is getting railroaded for entertainment value, or as a vendetta. I get it that Mods are not very much liked and any crack in the armor is a weakness that gets exploited.

If I were a betting man I would say there is no RW threat, just a cyber fantasy shaming. Just to make it clear if any ladies was hurt or physically abused that is a real world threat, if it was not a real world abuse then it is a hobby related offense. Present the facts and let the community render the judgment, unless it has already been made and we are all a bunch pawns in the farce.


IB

Finally, the cat is out of the bag and on the Tree ...

I thought we would meet and discuss it….. He tossed that out there….I immediately emailed him as asked and his response was "maybe Thursday but there was nothing to really talk about".....


Here is the email I sent to which there has been no response. I've made little changes here and there and paraphrased it a bit because of ECCIE's rules of publishing private correspondence.



I doubt the story will sit on the shelf until Thursday Trees. Let’s discuss this and get your input.

It's on more than a few lips. Guys are talking Ladies are talking. You know when there is smoke to be smelled and heat is felt there is almost always a fire.... You’ve been around the community a long time as well as served as a Mod…..

My questions based on what it being discussed have nothing to do with the lady you used to have as a roommate or her powerful friend of owners / part owner of the board which I think is ludicrous.


* It has a to do with booking half hour sessions and staying 2-3 hours over the allotted 30 minutes "because you are a Mod and Mods get special treatment". Supposedly you do this with younger/new girls that really do not know any better. It is said that you make them extremely uncomfortable in doing so. Girls are naturally appreciative for the attention a good review gets them so perhaps they ignore the fact that they were taken advantage of IF that is what happens.. Or in the beginning they just believe you that you are SUPPOSED to get the discount/extra time?

* Requesting discounts for reviews. Not taking simple No's and pushing and pressuring using your status as a Mod to intimidate them. "because you are a Mod and Mods get special treatment"

* Paying less than the requested donation because "you are a Mod and get a discount". Showing up at an appointment and intentionally leaving less money than was advertised and using your status is pretty uncool don't you think? "that is the Mod Rate” ? Did you really ever say that?

* Writing reviews of sessions that were 2-3 hours as if it was a shorter session which does not remotely make it a good reflection of the experience someone else is booking that time can expect. Maybe it took the girl an extra hour to get comfortable with doing a BBBJ for you and now the guy that reads your review wants his dick down her throat as soon as the door opens. Kind of unfair to her and him as well….. Don't you think?

* Reporting monies paid that actually were much less than reported. Insult upon injury for the ladies? Pretty unfair to the guys to write a review suggesting you actually paid the going rate……. Once again though although it insults them on one level it DOES increase their value.... Kind of cheating the whole system though.

* Offering to write reviews and keep them pushed towards the top in exchange "Because you are a Mod and can do so easily". Yes you certainly can find a reason to bump a review, comment to some member in some way.... Mods could easily keep a girl on the front page longer than normal.

In summary..... What I am asking about is why so many people seem to be talking about you using your status as a MOD to intimidate and/or pressure providers, especially NEW providers to provide you discounted and/or longer sessions than normal as well as to stay far longer than scheduled. Why you brazenly ASK for the discounts reminding them that you ARE a Mod.... or WERE at the time. Is that really what you think representing ECCIE was about?


Sure. You can point to a half dozen other guys that do the same. But, They were not Mods.



It is being said that BECAUSE you were a Mod that they are afraid to come forward because they fear all the Mods are the same and will just cover for you at their expense. You cast an air of suspicion over the whole group unfairly.



It appears you took the whole running joke that Mods get Freebies for looking out for the girls to a whole new level... You took the situation that existed yeas before where some ladies USED their sexual prowess to control a few of the Mods and influence the flavor of posts and reviews..... IF you did what is being talked about..... Well... You kind of validate the worst possible Light a Mod can be placed in.....


Based on hearing this from several people, including 3 different ladies I have NEVER before met or even heard of, my take on the immediate acceptance of your resignation is ......

It is my opinion that the Management of ECCIE was aware of the complaints surrounding you and was either in the midst of or at the end of having investigated it and your resignation was jumped upon as a way to quietly strip you of the ability to take advantage of others and embarrass them. That is my opinion….

I think had you simply just accepted it and gone with the flow of your "retirement" you would be basking in the Thanks and admiration due for a job well done as perceived by a lot of people on the surface.

Instead you felt the need to spin up some other story and along the way disparage the owners talking about how others affiliated with them targeted you....

Truthfully..... I think you annoy a hell of a lot of people with the whole 3rd party Trees act. IF it is an act..... It's cute in average posts but when dealing with something serious you should convey that you have the ability to be serious.


I doubt any first party accounts are coming forward. I think the same love and admiration shown a pimp by his stable spills out from many ladies that are used to experiencing abuse. The really know nothing different and you are a male authority figure that could exert control over their ability to survive here…..

If you did all of the above….. well… then you are just one of many guys that did or are doing it…. Every day these girls hear from several guys running the same game….. The only real difference is you were a MOD…..

There are a lot of words here.

From what I can gather the only specific Charge leveled is that Whispers likes to take Long Dumps.

Well all I have to say to that is : Hark likes to take Long Dumps also. This is a very enjoyable time and very personal.

Should we condemn a person for taking the simple pleasure of a Long Dump?

NO , I say we are going too far!

If we start limiting Long Dumps then we become all backed up and confused like rockerlick.
No good can come of that!
We then start spewing shit out of our mouth instead of our rectum ( for which it was designed)

Save the Board don't Save the Shit!

Draaaaamaaaaaa...

Seems to me that someone wants to throw the bees nest at the bear who already got the honey from. Does it matter at all. Its done. Why hash on it? Unless providers start retiring or going utr. What does it matter?

I doubt any first party accounts are coming forward. I think the same love and admiration shown a pimp by his stable spills out from many ladies that are used to experiencing abuse. The really know nothing different and you are a male authority figure that could exert control over their ability to survive here…..

If you did all of the above….. well… then you are just one of many guys that did or are doing it…. Every day these girls hear from several guys running the same game….. The only real difference is you were a MOD….. Originally Posted by Whispers

The question is as a retired mod moving to NY does Trees really have the ability to influence any provider's ability to survive here? Logic would dictate otherwise. If he were being protected or defended by fellow mods this thread would have been squashed long ago.

He may be guilty and if so that would make him as low as they come but this is still nothing more than gossip or hearsay without so much as one of his alleged victims coming forward.

Why are they bold enough to approach Whispers about this abuse, making you the designated accuser on their behalf yet won't offer so much as a two word "It's true" confirmation?

What can Trees possibly do to cause these girls hobby harm at this point? If they are dumb enough to protect him like some sort of pimp than there really was no problem to begin with
as they clearly didn't mind his abuse of power. New girls need not be concerned because he's out of commission, leaving and stripped of all Mod powers.

In fact how does any of this change one thing or affect the Austin community as was claimed? He's tapped it and is moving on.

The only consequence I can see is that this rumor will follow him in the hobby wherever he moves to but it will always be just one disgruntled monger's rumor without any confirmed witnesses.

Without a witness to the crime this wouldn't hold up in court and the same applies here.

There are a lot of words here.

From what I can gather the only specific Charge leveled is that Whispers likes to take Long Dumps.

Well all I have to say to that is : Hark likes to take Long Dumps also. This is a very enjoyable time and very personal.

Should we condemn a person for taking the simple pleasure of a Long Dump?

NO , I say we are going too far!

If we start limiting Long Dumps then we become all backed up and confused like rockerlick.
No good can come of that!
We then start spewing shit out of our mouth instead of our rectum ( for which it was designed)

Save the Board don't Save the Shit! Originally Posted by harkontume

Hey barkingundertrees why would anyone consider anything you say? You do realize talking shit about folks unable to defend themselves is chickenshit. Who would trust the opinion of such a coward?

This thread is like watching Fox News, you have no way of knowing what is trew or false. The facts are all just a bunch of words on a screen. There is no real face to face interaction here. He said she said. I don't know Trees, I do know Whispers. I don't trust anyone, only real world facts are credible. I would put my money on the notion that this whole farce was preconceived well before Whispers came back and is one if not the reason he came back. Originally Posted by Iron Butterfly

I don't think there is anything here that was "Preconceived" and my return to the boards is about other things. That will become evident as in the last time I returned was for a brief interlude to talk about another problem after which I immediately excused myself again. I'm back for a few months at least.

I have never been a proponent of threads being created to solely create drama, I get it though, this is entertainment, Fox New.

The only members that know the truth here are Trees, and the ladies that have real face to face interaction. Anything else is hearsay. Originally Posted by Iron Butterfly

Technically. You are correct. Realistically? Well. Smoke? Heat? Fire? People know.

If what Trees says is trew then he should stand by it, own it, if Whispers has real credible information , face to face interaction then present it. Is Whispers the judge and jury here? Originally Posted by Iron Butterfly

I am neither judge nor jury. Just bringing something out of the dark and into the light for others to be aware of. Hopefully others will step up with what they know. If enough do maybe one of the ladies wronged will come forward. Maybe not. There are enough that "know" that have credibility that IF they post what the sent via PM there would be enough voiced that most would come to the same conclusion I have.

I get it, without an audience this thread is nothing but 1's and 0's just shit floating in cyberspace.

So right now it's Whispers word against Trees word. If some credible providers come forth with information then opinions can be made, Originally Posted by Iron Butterfly

I agree. Three VERY credible ladies have provided information. But if they come forward in support of the issues do they suffer business loss as a result from supporters of Trees? It's a tough call.

the Mods are not saying anything, Originally Posted by Iron Butterfly

The Mods never do in cases like this where most of what they would know would come from their interaction AS Mods.

Whispers is not saying anything. Sorry but until real facts are presented this is nothing but a farce, prove me wrong. The mods let Trees go for whatever reasons they felt was valid, we don't know why. If it was an abuse of power then they did the right thing, only they know why a trees was let go. Originally Posted by Iron Butterfly

Trees presented a story..... I think most can find fault with the idea that some powerful boyfriend of a lady that shacked up with him picked up the phone and called the owner or his co owner and said to dump Trees and it happened......

Here is a more believable alternative.

The bottom line is does this have any value that is relevant to the real world? If not then it is all about shaming. If Trees did something that is shamble then shame on him, if not then shame on the accusers. I would think if this was a RW threat those that are in danger would have been contacted by the Mods. If it is just a shame on you thing then it really has no effect on the this board. Members get shamed here on a daily bases, it's all fun and games, or entertainment. Originally Posted by Iron Butterfly

I think it is more about Trees as a MOD and not as a member. In my opinion we need to hold our MODs to higher standards and expect more of them and to insure that they know that things will not get swept under the table simply because they are a MOD

The truly sad thing here would be if one is innocent and is getting railroaded for entertainment value, or as a vendetta. I get it that Mods are not very much liked and any crack in the armor is a weakness that gets exploited. Originally Posted by Iron Butterfly

Let me state 2 things in defense of that. Both require a member to be aware of my history and reputation on these boards which goes back to 1999

1) I've brought out a few different controversial things over the years. In each and every case it was a situation that needed to come out and the information I brought out was accurate (or never shown to be inaccurate). Each time many agreed that it needed to come out. Never was it simply for Entertainment Value. Anyone aware of my history knows I have no problems with providing entertainment without having to attempt to destroy another member's reputation. That is NOT what this is about.

2) I have tremendous respect for our Mods as well as the Admins and Owners of the Boards. Over the years I have at times received a phone call, a text message, a PM or an Email FROM a Mod, Admin or Owner of this or other boards with a simple request to "Drop it" or "Dial it back a notch" or "Leave it be and find something else to talk about". In each and every case if asked I instantly comply. I have never gone against such a request. In a couple of cases, although I DID comply, I continued to question that Mod or someone above him but I DO respect that this is a Privately owned Board and the staff that operate it represent the Owners and I comply with such requests.

Perhaps that is why I get some leeway over the years.

If you take both of those into consideration and you are reasonably minded than you should rule out that this is any personal vendetta or the result of not respecting a Mod.

If I were a betting man I would say there is no RW threat, just a cyber fantasy shaming. Just to make it clear if any ladies was hurt or physically abused that is a real world threat, if it was not a real world abuse then it is a hobby related offense. Present the facts and let the community render the judgment, unless it has already been made and we are all a bunch pawns in the farce.


IB Originally Posted by Iron Butterfly

"RW threat"

I can provide a couple of examples of how this affects us as a hobbyist. Not actually "threats"

1) A few months back I read a review and went to see a 19yo young lady up North with a rocking body. She was in a hotel for two days/nights at her own expense and I caught her on the morning after the 2nd night. In conversation regarding her experiences of having been on the boards for a few weeks she talked of seeing a few guys and being promised reviews after providing discounts and the reviews were never written. In those cases she took less money and guys stayed longer than they booked which led to a couple of NCNS on her part. She was new and knew no better.

After seeing me she has never posted another ad and to my knowledge she has never seen another guy. It was NOT a pleasant experience for a lady that needed money, had been told about how much safer ECCIE was than other avenues and was met by guys that simply took advantage of her.

So we LOST a rocking hard body young lady with GFE skills...... Well... YOU guys lost her.... I see her a couple of times a month... There are probably a couple of other guys like me that have the privilege. .


2) Eventually these new ladies get approached by one of the local Pimps... a couple of whom are everyday posters, members of the community, not known to actually BE a Pimp to the average guy here..... Pimp promises to take care of them and 3 days lady she has a new name and instead of $200 or $220 she is at $250 to $300 an hour.

So we lose reasonably priced Indies to the Agency world.