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Nubian Prince said he talked with her, not just a text exchange. Originally Posted by TinMan

How does he know who that was? Maybe he was talking to the other "dress up weirdo girl in their strange fantasy world" that Jules Jaguar seems to know so much about.

Are you saying he hasn't met her before?

I think vi's Helmet is a little too tight

Are you saying he hasn't met her before? Originally Posted by TinMan

Even if he did it's not like he would recognize her voice on the phone. He is either lying about the phone call, or he was talking to a different girl posing as !VI!

I think vi's Helmet is a little too tight Originally Posted by Tony Gambino

I think you are a little too Tiny.

She outed herself, I have no doubt about it
When she started posting face pics on Bp,I texted her from a burner. advising her not to go full retard
She called me back,giving the same dumb reasons why it was the best decision she's ever made
Her mind was made up and she wasn't backing down

It had more to do with her parents' actions after they found out she's a whore


Shalom Originally Posted by NubianPrince

There is some ambiguity in this post. It would be interesting

* To verify that her return call was indeed voice and not text

* If it was voice to explain how he could be certain it was her and not someone else

* To clarify if "the best decision" she referred to was running ads with her face, or running ads with her real world name, or both, and whether she made it explicit as to which

* To know if the "had more to do with her parents' actions" part is something she literally said, or if that is an inference, hunch, etc.

It would be reckless and stupid to put this into the charging document if it wasn't said, especially when they claim to have a recording.

From the charging document:

"Following his arrest, <redacted> waived his Miranda rights, and agreed to be interviewed by DHS HSI Special Agent's (SA's) <redacted> and <redacted>. During the recorded interview, <redacted> admitted he was currently on state felony probation, and while on probation, he got a friend to purchase several firearms for him. <redacted> stated he was not able to purchase the firearms himself because he was on probation. He stated he obtained the following firearms while on probation: two .380 caliber pistols, a .45 ACP pistols and a 9mm pistol."

(In the above I've preserved grammar errors.)

I'd like to remind folks that my position is somewhere between Tony Gambino and SteveOTX.

* I believe *the evidence shows* that !VI! and eevee were outed by their pimp *after* they left him. This includes the posting of ads with both of their real life names, the posting of X rated videos with !VI!'s real name as a form of "revenge porn," and random blog postings supposedly inviting readers to rape !VI!. All of these happened *after* the break up, and were made by the pimp.

* I believe *the evidence shows* prior to their breakups the pimp managed text messages setting up dates, made posts on ECCIE under various handles promoting them as providers, monitored dates by phone in real time or via video recordings later, and so on.

* Less certain is the degree to which the providers made their own ECCIE posts prior to the break ups. The pimp's ease of taking over their accounts after the break up would imply he had access before the break up. The interests, language, references, and confrontational tone, not to mention the controlling nature of the pimp, make me suspect the pimp made many, or perhaps all, posts under the providers names.

* Less certain is the degree to which the providers were forced, if at all, into the business by the pimp. *In general* a pimp/provider relationship is often a mixture of actual caring, seduction, coercion, overt threats, and pure violence. I don't claim to have proof, but I suspect from the totality of the facts, that both !VI! and eevee were psychologically vulnerable but initially fully complicit in their participation as sex workers. Then, over time, they became less and less willing. In response the pimp stepped up control from coercion, to threats, to violence. So it may be the case that !VI! was "happy" as a provider at one time, and subjected to violence at another. I doubt she was forced by violence from the very start. But this is *not* established by the available facts, nor is any other theory of their motivation.

Ha! So now we have a conspiracy involving at least two people, the alleged pimp and a female accomplice posing as Vi on the phone. Cool.

Ha! So now we have a conspiracy involving at least two people, the alleged pimp and a female accomplice posing as Vi on the phone. Cool. Originally Posted by TinMan

Wow. This whole !vi! Is innocent senerio starting to pile up. It kinda reminds me of this scene from a classic kids movie.

https://youtu.be/hJ3lxzuI_sc

Seriously, Vi or whoever you are (I know you're reading this), come clean and just admit it that you're guilty. Or get the hell out of here. All you are doing is giving the le the reason to lock you up for life by from more unlikely testimonies. You already lost.

If you were planning on winning, you should have inspected that rifle, you never know it would backfire on you.

sean rider is obviously in the lower half of his moot court class.

There is some ambiguity in this post. It would be interesting

* To verify that her return call was indeed voice and not text

* If it was voice to explain how he could be certain it was her and not someone else

* To clarify if "the best decision" she referred to was running ads with her face, or running ads with her real world name, or both, and whether she made it explicit as to which

* To know if the "had more to do with her parents' actions" part is something she literally said, or if that is an inference, hunch, etc. Originally Posted by sean rider

Are you always this dense or just pretending?

Which part of i texted her and she called me back you don't get?

All I did was tell her she was overreacting and she better take those photos down.
-She told me how a church going trick ratted her to her mother
-Mother and father called her names and told everybody else
-For some fucked up reason she expected her parents to be okay with her career choice
-Managed not to get kicked out of the army reserve somehow
-Wasnt any point in hiding anymore
-Spewed some feminist empowerment rhetoric
-More talk about being finally free and happy

Now why would this weirdo friend of hers tell me all this?The pimp put her up to it?

Give it a rest

Are you always this dense or just pretending?

Which part of i texted her and she called me back you don't get?

All I did was tell her she was overreacting and she better take those photos down.
-She told me how a church going trick ratted her to her mother
-Mother and father called her names and told everybody else
-Managed not to get kicked out of the army reserve somehow
-Wasnt any point in hiding anymore
-Spewed some feminist empowerment rhetoric
-More talk about being finally free and happy

Now why would this weirdo friend of hers tell me all this?The pimp put her up to it?

Give it a rest Originally Posted by NubianPrince

Sean and SteveO want vi to be the victim, it makes them feel like captain save a ho.....She was the evil mastermind behind the whole debacle, her jealous personality lost it when the costume wearing black kid.....realized what was really going on and left her nasty ass, she called the cops and accused his on probation ass of everything she could.......a BSC woman scorned........
and now hes facing years in the pen, and she's an innocent victim.......lol

She outed herself, I have no doubt about it
When she started posting face pics on Bp,I texted her from a burner. advising her not to go full retard
She called me back,giving the same dumb reasons why it was the best decision she's ever made
Her mind was made up and she wasn't backing down

It had more to do with her parents' actions after they found out she's a whore.

Shalom Originally Posted by NubianPrince

EXACTLY!!!

I've been saying this exact thing, and it's pretty damn obvious if you've been following her posts and reading the articles. Now that she is a "victim" and not a "willing" hooker, she can go back to her parents' good graces and soak up the sympathy. Pfttttt...

Are you always this dense or just pretending?

Which part of i texted her and she called me back you don't get?

All I did was tell her she was overreacting and she better take those photos down.
-She told me how a church going trick ratted her to her mother
-Mother and father called her names and told everybody else
-For some fucked up reason she expected her parents to be okay with her career choice
-Managed not to get kicked out of the army reserve somehow
-Wasnt any point in hiding anymore
-Spewed some feminist empowerment rhetoric
-More talk about being finally free and happy

Now why would this weirdo friend of hers tell me all this?The pimp put her up to it?

Give it a rest Originally Posted by NubianPrince

No need to get angry. I'm just trying to clarify things. I'm certainly not attacking you or accusing you of lying or some such. Your information is very interesting.

So in the above what you seem to be describing is what she said *after* she started showing her face in ads but *before* her real life information was posted (x rated videos with real name, real name in ECCIE posts, etc.)

If this is true, then it is still possible she was outed by her pimp and all she explained to you was why she was showing her face in her ads.

Do you recall the approximate date you spoke with her? That would really help nail down the *useful* information you are offering relative to the time line.

Sean and SteveO want vi to be the victim, it makes them feel like captain save a ho.....She was the evil mastermind behind the whole debacle, her jealous personality lost it when the costume wearing black kid.....realized what was really going on and left her nasty ass, she called the cops and accused his on probation ass of everything she could.......a BSC woman scorned........
and now hes facing years in the pen, and she's an innocent victim.......lol Originally Posted by Tony Gambino

I am not insisting she is innocent. Please see my post above explaining how my view is somewhere in between yours and SteveOTX. They are both probably guilty of their own something in this debacle.