Citizenship Reminder! MAGA!

This isn’t a valid question, there’s too many variables. Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

Valid question AND too many variables (for you).

This is why I take you through this piecemeal. You won't understand how we go from A to Z without understanding step along the way because it's a complex patchwork of old laws, varying political practices, and a plethora of policy via litigation.

You and Lusty both need to connect the smaller dots before you'll understand how fucking complex this is. And counterintuitive

If they were married they’d be an adult. I’d certainly have warned them off of marrying an illegal immigrant in the first place, but if they ignored that warning then they’d be responsible for the consequences. That’s how it works for adults, they make their own decisions.


This isn’t a valid question, there’s too many variables. If their mom and dad had to move, then yes, the kids should go with them imo.

I was talking about a single family (mother, father, kids). If the mother or father is in the country illegally and ends up being deported then yes, I’d assume the rest of the family would go with them. They wouldn’t have to if they value living in the US more than their spouse, but I definitely would. The kids wouldn’t have an option because they’re kids, they do what mom and dad say. Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

Of course there are too many variables!


Of course you don't have the power to control what your adult grand/children do. If they want to marry an illegal, let them!
But do you want to suffer the consequences of one of your children marrying an illegal, and causing your entire family to be deported and citizenship revoked?



Yes, or no. If your adult child, who has the power to make their own decisions, marries and has a child with an illegal, should you, the father/grandfather of the adult who married and had a child with an illegal, have your citizenship revoked and be deported to god-knows-what country you've never been to?


Because... dude, that is what Trump is implying is going to happen.

Of course there are too many variables!


Of course you don't have the power to control what your adult grand/children do. If they want to marry an illegal, let them!
But do you want to suffer the consequences of one of your children marrying an illegal, and causing your entire family to be deported and citizenship revoked?



Yes, or no. If your adult child, who has the power to make their own decisions, marries and has a child with an illegal, should you, the father/grandfather of the adult who married and had a child with an illegal, have your citizenship revoked and be deported to god-knows-what country you've never been to?


Because... dude, that is what Trump is implying is going to happen. Originally Posted by onawbtngr546

LMFAO! You’re watching WAY to much msnbc. That’s absolutely not what Trump is or has ever implied, neither has Homan.

You and HD are all wet on this. What they ARE suggesting is that if a someone is illegal and gets deported that family members who are legally here may chose to go with them. It’s that simple. Nobody is deporting citizens or revoking citizenship or any of the other hogwash you’ve convinced yourselves of.

The words came directly from Trump and Homan, J. It's what they actually said.

You said they were clear. Is it possible that they weren't all that clear and they need you to explain it for them?

Something is clearly amiss in the messaging.

LMFAO! You’re watching WAY to much msnbc. That’s absolutely not what Trump is or has ever implied, neither has Homan.

You and HD are all wet on this. What they ARE suggesting is that if a someone is illegal and gets deported that family members who are legally here may chose to go with them. It’s that simple. Nobody is deporting citizens or revoking citizenship or any of the other hogwash you’ve convinced yourselves of. Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

No, just listening to the words your boy is saying, verbatim. Of course, taking anything he says at face value has always been a fool's errand.

Valid question AND too many variables (for you).

This is why I take you through this piecemeal. You won't understand how we go from A to Z without understanding step along the way because it's a complex patchwork of old laws, varying political practices, and a plethora of policy via litigation.

You and Lusty both need to connect the smaller dots before you'll understand how fucking complex this is. And counterintuitive Originally Posted by HDGristle

You’re trying to walk someone through a nonexistent assertion. When your premise is wrong right out of the chute talking in circles doesn’t fix it. People who are here legally have nothing to worry about (short of the previously mentioned administrative fuck-ups). If someone close to the deportee wants to leave with them they can, if they don’t they don’t have to.

Here’s President Trump’s words, again, and what they intend to make policy.

“It depends on the family,” Trump said, adding later: “If they come here illegally but their family is here legally, then the family has a choice. The person that came in illegally can go out, or they can all go out together.”

I’m unsure why you guys have such a hard time understanding it

You’re trying to walk someone through a nonexistent assertion. When your premise is wrong right out of the chute talking in circles doesn’t fix it. People who are here legally have nothing to worry about (short of the previously mentioned administrative fuck-ups). If someone close to the deportee wants to leave with them they can, if they don’t they don’t have to. Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

People who are here legally have plenty to worry about.

Are you familiar with how Miller's plans were implemented to make legal immigration painful? Increased application fees. Stricter adjudications, even for individuals who had been approved multiple times before. Skyrocketing RFE rates. Massive backlogs and retrogression in the major green card categories. Massive backlogs at the consulates with multi-year waits for routine cases.

People who ran out of time because their work authorization expired because 240 days wasn't enough time to get a simple extension adjudicated.

You're pinky toe into a very deep pond

Go back and listen to what Homan has actually said. Listen to that 60 Minutes interview in it's entirety. Here's a snippet



I take Homan at his word. He's been particularly chatty. Someone who ran ICE and ran the zero-tolerance efforts know what it means to say they can be deported together.

You don't

No, just listening to the words your boy is saying, verbatim. Of course, taking anything he says at face value has always been a fool's errand. Originally Posted by tommy156

First of all, I voted for Ramaswamy so wouldn’t consider trump “my boy”. He’s light years better than Harris so I did vote for him in the general.

I do agree with the second part, somewhat. Never take Trump literally, but always take him seriously. He’s unscripted, which can be good and bad. Good because it’s speaking from conviction, yet bad because there’s plenty of room to fuck up. I’ll take it any day over politicians who do nothing but read from a script, every day and twice on Sunday.

Here's some more

https://www.instagram.com/60minutes/...8DexTx1/?hl=en

People who are here legally have plenty to worry about…… Originally Posted by HDGristle

We’ll have to disagree on this one and see where we’re at in 6 months. I’d be more than willing to give odds that deporting citizens won’t be, and will never become, executive policy. Some citizens may chose to leave, but will never be forced.

Here's some more

https://www.instagram.com/60minutes/...8DexTx1/?hl=en Originally Posted by HDGristle

What’s the problem with that?

We’ll have to disagree on this one and see where we’re at in 6 months. I’d be more than willing to give odds that deporting citizens won’t be, and will never become, executive policy. Some citizens may chose to leave, but will never be forced. Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

Strawman. Citizens are protected from deportation. Which means he clearly is talking out of his ass and knows it, and that folks like you don't know enough to care.

ICE isn't going to arrange a flight out for them together. So we're back to separation after forcible deportation creating a subsequent choice.

What’s the problem with that? Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

An former ICE Director with a quarter-baked deportation plan that isn't written down? Can't even provide an educated estimate to scope the problem for the American people?

Nothing to see here. You do know he actually ran the separation policy at the ICE level, right?



Here's some more Homan. Damn funny reading when his numbers don't match up to the facts.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/shock-awe-...y?id=115972346

But you'll gloss over it

Remember, I'm pro-family separation. Pro enforcing our rules. Pro giving DHS, CBP, ICE, USCIS and the DOS the funding they need to make enforcement a priority. Killing that backlog. Updating the system and actually following the rules.

So what isn't he telling you? Any guesses?

I see a guy looking at a girl, thinking to himself ‘Why am I here talking to this retard?’.

It's her job to talk to that retard