Natalie Jones wants to be become my next ATF? Really?
Well the first thing she would have to do is show up for the appt her 'assistant' Ashley made for her.
Natalie Jones' assistant (Ashley) agreed to a 1130 AM appt with Natalie for me. As I called at 1130 to get the final directions to the room, I was told Natalie was not available. There was no message left on my voice mail. I was told the last minute cancellation-message was left on a PM on eccie. Since I was driving to the session, it is unreasonable to think I might have been reached by PM. No reason has been given for the cancellation. Ashley could not tell me what or why, and insisted the fault was mine because I could not be reached. I hung up at that point.
Natalie called me from a restricted phone and played the part of the sophisticated business woman, and did so poorly. In a PM she had asked for more discreet communications in the future, saying she was certain I would understand. I am posting the remainder of my communication with her here in this forum as a "heads-up" to my brethren. I will appreciate your feedback. My response to NJ is as follows:
"No, I do NOT understand as you might think. What I do understand from the events of the day are:
1. You and Ashley got your signals crossed. She scheduled a session after having taken 20 minutes or so to 'check your calendar', contingent ONLY on the veracity of my references (which have NEVER been found wanting before).
2. You suggested, requested and even urged that I accept Ashley as your stand in, to be the escort instead of yourself.
3. Now you request 'more discretion in our communications.'
No, I do not understand in your terms, by which I infer that you think your actions were reasonable. No, I do NOT understand.
Your actions were NOT reasonable, for no real reason has been stated, no explanation offered.
The PM from you is oblique at best, which only irritates me more. The most I can make of this message is that you desire 'more discretion' from me. How so? I have communicated with through a PM and through your 'assistant' whom you have also described as serving in a substitute role by design on just such an occasion as this.
I have mulled over these items at length and stated some conclusions in a lengthy PM which I copied to a MOD for review and advice.
My interpretation of the events and my conclusions are:
1. I was stood up, NO SHOW.
2. You engaged in Bait and Switch, offering a substitute as a remedy because you were unavailable for the time appointed by your assistant who is also your substitute.
3. In your PM you have asked for more discretion in our communications. How so? How do you think was I indiscreet, specifically? How do you define discretion?
4. In the bait and switch request, you sought to sell the deal by appealing to my male ego, stating that Ashley is much more beautiful than you. You have little idea of my concept of beauty, which includes much more than mere appearance. I doubt you have the requisite sophistication to understand. In any event, I do not accept last minute surrogates, which constitutes a blind date. I have never had such a deal work out satisfactorily.
5. I believe this event was set up intentionally, by design as part of a business plan to establish Ashley on her own using your apron strings to gain entree and some standing in this community. In your call to me, you said she was frantic at my irritation and refusal; and that you had assured her that I would be visiting her soon that very day.
That is rather presumptive on your part. More than presumptive, it is manipulative toward her; and arrogant, condescending toward me. Having never spoken to me you assumed and told her that I would indulge you and accept her as a substitute for yourself. It shows prior intent to deceive me.
If you wish to introduce her to us, publish her pix and give us the choice.
What now? Do not think that I will ever call you again. It is not a matter of fence mending. There is no fence to be mended with me. That neighborly fence has been blown down by your misdeeds of yesterday. I will not even share a drink with you because of these grievous breeches of trust."
This memo (editing out her original PM to me) has already been posted in the Men's Lounge today (8:34 AM), and now in the ALERTS, and perhaps as a thread in the INDEPENDENTS forum (unless advised by a MOD not to do so).
I have no malice toward her. But neither do I trust her. Unless she changes your ways, she might suffer loss of others' trust, too.
To my brethren, Caveat emptor.
- Guest021010-2
- 01-15-2010, 10:45 AM
- dearhunter
- 01-15-2010, 11:09 AM
Very informative alert.
- ibechill
- 01-15-2010, 11:09 AM
- CivilBarrister
- 01-15-2010, 11:53 AM
Thanks for the info.
Hopefull, NJ will post something to 'splain herself.
Hopefull, NJ will post something to 'splain herself.
- Guest021010-2
- 01-15-2010, 11:56 AM
http://www.eccie.net/dto_showcase.php?do=preview&g=1292 Originally Posted by ibechillI followed the link and had to chuckle at her promotional statement,
"What are you waiting for? I'm ready when you are!"
NOT!
Oh well.
Back to the playground,
LTGTR!
rr
- carkido45
- 01-15-2010, 12:27 PM
Sounds like someone was overbooked and tried too play someone else stupid.
I understand your frustration I've been there..
Thanks for the alert Randyrogue
I understand your frustration I've been there..
Thanks for the alert Randyrogue
- ferdburf
- 01-15-2010, 12:33 PM
I can't imagine what she'd have to say that would make me feel better about that situation!
- Wayward
- 01-15-2010, 12:35 PM
Three threads over a semi-bait and switch and NSNC? I might have listened to my manpoosie and given her a day or two to make it right.
What she did was very lame and one thread in the tippytop secret area would have gotten the message out, which all of us that have been down this road would like to thank you for. We feel your pain even in the middle of the manpoosssie, FWIW sometimes the high road doesn't suck.
It's your time and your shitty deal, but it's hard to put that pin back in the grenade after the spoon heads for another zip code. I applaud the righteous indignation and once again feel your pain and anger.
What she did was very lame and one thread in the tippytop secret area would have gotten the message out, which all of us that have been down this road would like to thank you for. We feel your pain even in the middle of the manpoosssie, FWIW sometimes the high road doesn't suck.
It's your time and your shitty deal, but it's hard to put that pin back in the grenade after the spoon heads for another zip code. I applaud the righteous indignation and once again feel your pain and anger.
- nataliejones
- 01-15-2010, 02:50 PM
I am surprised to see this thread in the "Alerts" section. I was a member of ASPD for 8 years & well reviewed. I am quite shocked that I am having to defend myself to these statements. I am responding to this thread to clarify any misunderstandings. Yesterday, I received a PM from randyrogue. He later contacted my assistant Ashley for an appointment. He had asked her where my incall was located and she said the Intercontinental area. She would never tell someone she did not know a specific location! He mistook that for her saying the Intercontinental Hotel.
She told the gentleman that references still needed to be verified before an appointment was made. The gentleman sent his references and Ashley was only able to verify with one provider. I require 2 or more references before I meet with anyone. Included with his references were several comments that caused a red flag with me. I am not going to state the details, as I respect randyrogues privacy. I am very discreet and a lady. I told Ashley to contact the gentleman to let him know that I would not be available however his phone was going to voicemail. No a message was not left out of respect for the gentleman. Discretion is important to me, as I am sure it is to most in the hobby. At this point I PMed him with the following:
Recipients: randyrogue
Yesterday, 10:29 AM
nataliejones
Verified Provider
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Hello Randy, How are you love.. I tried to have Ashley contact you however she said your phone was going to voicemail.. Today will not be possible for me however would love to see you in the future.. I would prefer a bit more discretion in our correspondence, I'm sure you understand.. Thanks love and
do call Ash or PM so I know you know I am unable to meet today..
Hugs,
Natalie
First, an appointment was never made. The gentleman automatically assumed that by PM'ing his references, he had an appointment. I can understand where there was a miscommunication but a thread flaming myself, my assistant & my integrity is uncalled for. There are also several statements of which are entirely untrue!
In response to your statements:
1. I was stood up, NO SHOW.
It was not a NO SHOW, there was no appointment.
2. You engaged in Bait and Switch, offering a substitute as a remedy because you were unavailable for the time appointed by your assistant who is also your substitute.
No, I never offered Ashley as a substitute. Ashley is my assistant and not my "substitute". Read my signature line as well as the first time section on my site: http://www.anelegantlady.com/vip_companion_faq.html
3. In your PM you have asked for more discretion in our communications. How so? How do you think was I indiscreet, specifically? How do you define discretion?
Discussing details of what you would like to transpire between us causes red flags with me. I prefer more discreet correspondence.
4. In the bait and switch request, you sought to sell the deal by appealing to my male ego, stating that Ashley is much more beautiful than you. You have little idea of my concept of beauty, which includes much more than mere appearance. I doubt you have the requisite sophistication to understand. In any event, I do not accept last minute surrogates, which constitutes a blind date. I have never had such a deal work out satisfactorily.
I said to you on the phone that "The truth is she is even more lovely than me if you got to know her. That's why I have her as my assistant". I wanted to contact you personally as I felt the need to clarify the misunderstanding. I apologized & you also apologized. You even told me what exceptional customer relation skills I had. I spoke of Ashley as I felt the need to for you to understand that she was not immature and unprofessional. Everyone has said how lovely she is on the phone. No I never offered or insinuated that she was available. She is NOT!
5. I believe this event was set up intentionally, by design as part of a business plan to establish Ashley on her own using your apron strings to gain entree and some standing in this community. In your call to me, you said she was frantic at
my irritation and refusal; and that you had assured her that I would be visiting her soon that very day.
Devising a business plan?? That is so far from the truth. Anyone that has dealt with Ashley on the phone (providers & clients) know that she has never been available for appointments nor will she ever be. She was frantic at the way you spoke to her on the phone in such a demeaning way, of how she couldn't handle her job and how this was going to be "reported". No I never told her that you would be seeing her later that day. Once again, Ashley is my assistant NOT a substitute. You can't make an appointment with her. She is NOT available.
As for me being booked up as a reason as why I did not see randy is untrue. I am NOT that way. I did not see him because Ashley was only able to verify one reference as well as his indiscretion to me in his PMs. Because one sends references does not mean an appointment has been set. You still have to give the provider or their assistant ample time to verify references.
At the end of our conversation yesterday, I thought we had ended on a good note. This thread comes quite as a shock to me. I hope I have clarified the misunderstanding that randyrogue and I had. I hope you will be able to come to your own conclusion about my integrity & my honesty. Do know that I am professional, have NEVER stood anyone up and am not using my assistant as some sort of master plan. Thank you for hearing my side. I am not the person this gentleman has made me out to be. Have a lovely day.
She told the gentleman that references still needed to be verified before an appointment was made. The gentleman sent his references and Ashley was only able to verify with one provider. I require 2 or more references before I meet with anyone. Included with his references were several comments that caused a red flag with me. I am not going to state the details, as I respect randyrogues privacy. I am very discreet and a lady. I told Ashley to contact the gentleman to let him know that I would not be available however his phone was going to voicemail. No a message was not left out of respect for the gentleman. Discretion is important to me, as I am sure it is to most in the hobby. At this point I PMed him with the following:
Recipients: randyrogue
Yesterday, 10:29 AM
nataliejones
Verified Provider
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hello Randy, How are you love.. I tried to have Ashley contact you however she said your phone was going to voicemail.. Today will not be possible for me however would love to see you in the future.. I would prefer a bit more discretion in our correspondence, I'm sure you understand.. Thanks love and
do call Ash or PM so I know you know I am unable to meet today..
Hugs,
Natalie
First, an appointment was never made. The gentleman automatically assumed that by PM'ing his references, he had an appointment. I can understand where there was a miscommunication but a thread flaming myself, my assistant & my integrity is uncalled for. There are also several statements of which are entirely untrue!
In response to your statements:
1. I was stood up, NO SHOW.
It was not a NO SHOW, there was no appointment.
2. You engaged in Bait and Switch, offering a substitute as a remedy because you were unavailable for the time appointed by your assistant who is also your substitute.
No, I never offered Ashley as a substitute. Ashley is my assistant and not my "substitute". Read my signature line as well as the first time section on my site: http://www.anelegantlady.com/vip_companion_faq.html
3. In your PM you have asked for more discretion in our communications. How so? How do you think was I indiscreet, specifically? How do you define discretion?
Discussing details of what you would like to transpire between us causes red flags with me. I prefer more discreet correspondence.
4. In the bait and switch request, you sought to sell the deal by appealing to my male ego, stating that Ashley is much more beautiful than you. You have little idea of my concept of beauty, which includes much more than mere appearance. I doubt you have the requisite sophistication to understand. In any event, I do not accept last minute surrogates, which constitutes a blind date. I have never had such a deal work out satisfactorily.
I said to you on the phone that "The truth is she is even more lovely than me if you got to know her. That's why I have her as my assistant". I wanted to contact you personally as I felt the need to clarify the misunderstanding. I apologized & you also apologized. You even told me what exceptional customer relation skills I had. I spoke of Ashley as I felt the need to for you to understand that she was not immature and unprofessional. Everyone has said how lovely she is on the phone. No I never offered or insinuated that she was available. She is NOT!
5. I believe this event was set up intentionally, by design as part of a business plan to establish Ashley on her own using your apron strings to gain entree and some standing in this community. In your call to me, you said she was frantic at
my irritation and refusal; and that you had assured her that I would be visiting her soon that very day.
Devising a business plan?? That is so far from the truth. Anyone that has dealt with Ashley on the phone (providers & clients) know that she has never been available for appointments nor will she ever be. She was frantic at the way you spoke to her on the phone in such a demeaning way, of how she couldn't handle her job and how this was going to be "reported". No I never told her that you would be seeing her later that day. Once again, Ashley is my assistant NOT a substitute. You can't make an appointment with her. She is NOT available.
As for me being booked up as a reason as why I did not see randy is untrue. I am NOT that way. I did not see him because Ashley was only able to verify one reference as well as his indiscretion to me in his PMs. Because one sends references does not mean an appointment has been set. You still have to give the provider or their assistant ample time to verify references.
At the end of our conversation yesterday, I thought we had ended on a good note. This thread comes quite as a shock to me. I hope I have clarified the misunderstanding that randyrogue and I had. I hope you will be able to come to your own conclusion about my integrity & my honesty. Do know that I am professional, have NEVER stood anyone up and am not using my assistant as some sort of master plan. Thank you for hearing my side. I am not the person this gentleman has made me out to be. Have a lovely day.
- enderwiggin
- 01-15-2010, 03:01 PM
Ugh. With a side of Ugh.
Sounds like a cluster-fuck with an assistant thrown in the mix.
Sounds like a cluster-fuck with an assistant thrown in the mix.
- Guest021010-2
- 01-15-2010, 03:01 PM
Ashley asked to check the calendar. When she called me back about 15 mintues later, she eagerly confirmed the time I had requested, and then that my references be PM'd which I did by eccie PM within 4 minutes, including urls of the most recent 2 BCD reviews. I have never had references be considered insufficient. Again, Ashley confirmed that if my ref's checked out, all was good to go.
I called Ashley again to affirm that the ref's had been PMd, and she confirmed the time.
I was not left a voice mail message although I had given them a cell phone number to contact me.
You relied on a PM to give last minute "not available" notice, not that no appointment had been set.
To say otherwise is to contradict what Ashley told me, and what you later affirmed.
THEN You strongly urged that I accept ASHLEY as your replacement escort for the hour, and told me you had already assured her that I would see HER (Ashley) on that basis. THIS IS BAIT AND SWITCH!
You went so far as to describe her beauty as exceeding your own, and that you had hired her with this kind of circumstance in mind. WTF!
You really expected me to accept an unknown unheralded lady and evidently new to the business lady as a suitable replacement for yourself? What arrogant presumption!
AND you hired Ashley with this circumstance in mind??!! This sort of dealings is part of your business plan???
WTF!!!
This only confirms that an appointment had been made, and that your wires and hers were crossed -- your error and confusion, not mine. Your present denial that an appointment had been made is disingenuous.
If there was mis-communication, it was from your agent to me, which is the same as from you to me -- or do you not understand the nature of that verbal transaction? Apparently you had not trained your agent to conduct the business, to communicate the commitment in the precise manner you yourself would have done.
When Ashley told me at 11:32 that you would not be available for the 11:30 appointment, I asked her, 'Well what does she have in mind?' and Ashley said, 'I do not know!' She then tried to deflect responsibility to me, and it seemed like a game of ping pong had ensued, and I hung up.
Then you called on a restricted line and we talked as I drove BACK across town, trying to figure out the what and why or why not!
I have come to think something else was on your agenda for that morning's appointment. You pressed me to have Ashley serve as your surrogate escort, a last minute substitute.
You now present your reply, a defense based on my unconfirmed references.
Yet you would have had your assistant stand in for you on a first date appointment with me.
Such a request to make of an employee, to take a risk you would not take
is insensitive at best, irresponsible, and inconsiderate of her welfare!
Or were you in town at all, and had planned to do this bait and switch all along?
Or had you doubled up and had two sessions scheduled and had to cancel one?
Or had you just awakened and were in such a mood that you decided NOT to honor the appointment Ashley had made in good faith based on your calendar? Remember, she took 15 minutes or so to consult your calendar before calling me back to confirm the time, contingent on good references. Mine have always been good, even sterling according to one lady's response. I gave you not only references but URL's of posted reviews.
By the way, have you forgotten the PM of the night before, wherein you said to me that you hoped we could meet soon? You need to communicate more clearly, with greater discretion lest you say something you do not mean.
You could have left a message on MY cell phone TO CALL YOU;
You could have left a message saying that you had double booked, or had a flat tire or gotten sick, or something, whatever reason you might have chosen. Almost any reason would have been better than no message left at all. But you gave no reason at all. You left no message.
You left no message. My cell phone has no record of a missed call until 11:36, which is 6 minutes after the session was to have started, 6 minutes after I called for final instructions.
Admit that you left no message at all that was available to me as I drove across town for the session.
You screwed up.
And the spin you are now putting on it is nothing less than crawfishing through provider poo.
Fess up.
And if you want to help Ashley get started, publish pix like Toni did for Dylan. Give us a choice.
If she is the beauty you told me she is, she should have no trouble building a following.
Give us the choice.
But leave this double talk and the B&S BS behind. We clients will no longer stand for it.
Speak plain truth, not spin.
I called Ashley again to affirm that the ref's had been PMd, and she confirmed the time.
I was not left a voice mail message although I had given them a cell phone number to contact me.
You relied on a PM to give last minute "not available" notice, not that no appointment had been set.
To say otherwise is to contradict what Ashley told me, and what you later affirmed.
THEN You strongly urged that I accept ASHLEY as your replacement escort for the hour, and told me you had already assured her that I would see HER (Ashley) on that basis. THIS IS BAIT AND SWITCH!
You went so far as to describe her beauty as exceeding your own, and that you had hired her with this kind of circumstance in mind. WTF!
You really expected me to accept an unknown unheralded lady and evidently new to the business lady as a suitable replacement for yourself? What arrogant presumption!
AND you hired Ashley with this circumstance in mind??!! This sort of dealings is part of your business plan???
WTF!!!
This only confirms that an appointment had been made, and that your wires and hers were crossed -- your error and confusion, not mine. Your present denial that an appointment had been made is disingenuous.
If there was mis-communication, it was from your agent to me, which is the same as from you to me -- or do you not understand the nature of that verbal transaction? Apparently you had not trained your agent to conduct the business, to communicate the commitment in the precise manner you yourself would have done.
When Ashley told me at 11:32 that you would not be available for the 11:30 appointment, I asked her, 'Well what does she have in mind?' and Ashley said, 'I do not know!' She then tried to deflect responsibility to me, and it seemed like a game of ping pong had ensued, and I hung up.
Then you called on a restricted line and we talked as I drove BACK across town, trying to figure out the what and why or why not!
I have come to think something else was on your agenda for that morning's appointment. You pressed me to have Ashley serve as your surrogate escort, a last minute substitute.
You now present your reply, a defense based on my unconfirmed references.
Yet you would have had your assistant stand in for you on a first date appointment with me.
Such a request to make of an employee, to take a risk you would not take
is insensitive at best, irresponsible, and inconsiderate of her welfare!
Or were you in town at all, and had planned to do this bait and switch all along?
Or had you doubled up and had two sessions scheduled and had to cancel one?
Or had you just awakened and were in such a mood that you decided NOT to honor the appointment Ashley had made in good faith based on your calendar? Remember, she took 15 minutes or so to consult your calendar before calling me back to confirm the time, contingent on good references. Mine have always been good, even sterling according to one lady's response. I gave you not only references but URL's of posted reviews.
By the way, have you forgotten the PM of the night before, wherein you said to me that you hoped we could meet soon? You need to communicate more clearly, with greater discretion lest you say something you do not mean.
You could have left a message on MY cell phone TO CALL YOU;
You could have left a message saying that you had double booked, or had a flat tire or gotten sick, or something, whatever reason you might have chosen. Almost any reason would have been better than no message left at all. But you gave no reason at all. You left no message.
You left no message. My cell phone has no record of a missed call until 11:36, which is 6 minutes after the session was to have started, 6 minutes after I called for final instructions.
Admit that you left no message at all that was available to me as I drove across town for the session.
You screwed up.
And the spin you are now putting on it is nothing less than crawfishing through provider poo.
Fess up.
And if you want to help Ashley get started, publish pix like Toni did for Dylan. Give us a choice.
If she is the beauty you told me she is, she should have no trouble building a following.
Give us the choice.
But leave this double talk and the B&S BS behind. We clients will no longer stand for it.
Speak plain truth, not spin.
- Guest021010-2
- 01-15-2010, 03:40 PM
Now nj wants to make up.
Not going to happen!
Do not call.
Do not PM. Erase any contact information and reference information I have given you.
That is all I have to say about this. (FG)
Back to the playground.
LTGTR!
rr
Not going to happen!
Do not call.
Do not PM. Erase any contact information and reference information I have given you.
That is all I have to say about this. (FG)
Back to the playground.
LTGTR!
rr
- nataliejones
- 01-15-2010, 03:57 PM
You cannot lie about the truth. There was NO appointment ever set. If you would like to look at my showcase I do have links to reviews so you will be able to see who the real Natalie is not how I am being portrayed. Thank you..
- Guest062610
- 01-15-2010, 04:02 PM
Okay so we've heard both sides...lets all move on and have fun. The good news is you still have your $$ and Natalie got to post her side of the situation.
LAP
LAP
- dearhunter
- 01-15-2010, 04:05 PM
That is the beautiful thing about the hobby........... you are a good review away from the flavor of the month.
You both said your piece..............time has a way of revealing the truth.
You both said your piece..............time has a way of revealing the truth.