ECCIE Social?

This has caused many of these to go south in the past.....

guys having to foot the bill for the opportunity to meet hookers that make far more per hour than they normally do.....

Good Luck with that.....

Right away you get away from people being equals to catering to the very businesses that take your money.....

Some of the best parties I attended in Houston and South Florida were thrown and funded by Agencies that wanted our business...... Originally Posted by Whispers

Exactly what J*** did once he opened Mystique. I don't disagree at all beyond the following. All the gals were by invite and all agreed to the "party rate" for any and all BCD that occured in or out of the villa during the party time frame. Most gals had to wait a year or longer to even get an invite...remember that this was the "80%" of the local repeat market. None of us paid "rack rate" and all of us had an average hobby budget of $1200/m or more (most double that).

DT, no matter what anyone says you come back with a rejoinder about how great an idea it is and we all have the wrong idea about a social. Just go ahead and do it then and see how it comes out. Our opinions don't matter. Originally Posted by Pflugerbill

It does seem to be a "I'm gonna do a party my way but let me pretend to take input up front".....

Exactly what J*** did once he opened Mystique. I don't disagree at all beyond the following. All the gals were by invite and all agreed to the "party rate" for any and all BCD that occured in or out of the villa during the party time frame. Most gals had to wait a year or longer to even get an invite...remember that this was the "80%" of the local repeat market. None of us paid "rack rate" and all of us had an average hobby budget of $1200/m or more (most double that). Originally Posted by TxToast

I've done a few of these on a smaller scale..... House Boat Parties on Lake Mead with groups of of LA were a blast....... I did a private one for some long time friends here almost 2 years ago....

There is nothing wrong with a bunch of guys footing the bill for a party like that.....

For a social..... having to pay to "meet" prospective businesses set up to take our money has sent a lot of these parties south in the past....

Why can't a hooker making $250 an hour pay her own way?

You and I are on exactly the same page. This logistical setup made it possible for all interested to attend (given time frame), have a 5 star place to hang out (or even spend the night) and possibly make a new friend or two along the way. Basically it was a well stocked 72 hour private party...

Yep, people go to CK's parties, and then you can read about in the paper. Just because he's been a member for some time does NOT make him trust worthy. But, to be fair, you didn't say the was trustworthy, just that he's been a member for a while.
Whispers runs a good get together, and keeps a pretty good rein on the attendants, the other person... NOT so much.

Yep, people go to CK's parties, and then you can read about in the paper. Just because he's been a member for some time does NOT make him trust worthy. But, to be fair, you didn't say the was trustworthy, just that he's been a member for a while.
Whispers runs a good get together, and keeps a pretty good rein on the attendants, the other person... NOT so much. Originally Posted by nuglet

People can research him and know what they get into... just as they can me.....

That was the point....

I DON'T necessarily feel safe at a party designed to bring prostitutes and their prospective clients together in a private setting......

That bust was something just bound to happen..... I don't think any amount of security would have kept it from being raided....

I may go at times..... but I always walk on eggshells when I do...

There have been very few socials I've been to where I haven't cringed at the behavior of someone, be it provider or hobbyist. Some of you people just have no idea what the word 'discretion' means.

With Whispers' get-togethers I'm a bit more at ease because it's an "adult" venue anyway so someone dressed scantily or acting horny-as-fuck just blends in. In an otherwise respectable restaurant - not so much. And even then, more than once at one of Whispers' parties I've had dancers I know asking me about some of the weirdness some of the other partygoers are indulging in.

Discretion is *very* important to me. It's why I didn't post reviews, it's why I'm careful about which providers I schedule with. As nuglet can attest, we really can't have nice things.

more than once at one of Whispers' parties I've had dancers I know asking me about some of the weirdness some of the other partygoers are indulging in. Originally Posted by Vyt

Yeah... I've been known to cringe at times myself......

It's sad but true that most of the time it is the behavior of a Provider that is drawing the attention.

Although I can certainly say that the ladies that attend are ALWAYS attired in a manner they would draw no attention in even in a public setting....... KUDOs to those ladies....

And

Gotta agree with nugglet....
most of us have are ATF providers already...
i've never understood the reason for a social...but good luck to you and anyone else who wants to join... Originally Posted by snoopdogg

Back when I was active in the hobby scene, I always enjoyed the socials. I agree that many times the same women would show up, but there was always 3 or 4 new ones each time. The reason I see for socials is to meet potential ladies up close and personal. You can read ads and reviews but meeting face-to-face gives you a better understanding of a provider's personality and you might get turned on or turned off. It's the difference between meeting a customer in an office environment and meeting the same customer at a bar -- much more relaxed atmosphere. And I never felt unsafe at any of the socials -- it was just a few men and a few women socializing.

Why not just pick a Bar and set a date and time and people can show up or not? No invitations, no having to pay a fee, nobody being blackballed because someone doesn't like them. A friend of a friend just opened a Sports Bar in the Arboretum area and he could sure use the business. The "gang" would pretty well have the place to themselves as he is just gearing up and there is never more than 10-20 people in there. They have a full menu, drinks, pool, video games, etc.

Why not just pick a Bar and set a date and time and people can show up or not? No invitations, no having to pay a fee, nobody being blackballed because someone doesn't like them. A friend of a friend just opened a Sports Bar in the Arboretum area and he could sure use the business. The "gang" would pretty well have the place to themselves as he is just gearing up and there is never more than 10-20 people in there. They have a full menu, drinks, pool, video games, etc. Originally Posted by saj1000

Saj and SpeedRacer Thanks for your input.

Saj, what you mention is exactly the kind of thing I had in mind.

Whispers, you certainly are interesting to say the least. I appreciate your "concern" for the community by asking just exactly who I am.
Strange though that you didn't have that question before inviting me to your SC event. An event where, strangely enough, you also invited providers and fellow hobbyists to get together. An event where you saw me in the VIP area getting dances from strippers.
Now, and I'm just thinking out loud here, I met several providers at your event. Met several hobbyists too. Spoke to Sixx, and a few others. You didn't seem too worried about "who exactly I am" at that point. Instead you invited me to sit down with you so you could fill me in on some general info you thought was worthwhile for me to know.
Want to know what's funny? One of the dancers, while giving me a lap dance, told me that LE had been seen in the parking lot taking down license plates. Did I get paranoid and think you had something to do with that? No. LE in the parking lot of a SC is a pretty common event in my experience.
Why did you feel more comfortable with me then? Why did you invite me and now when I propose an event suddenly you think people should be wary or ask themselves "who exactly I am"?
Interesting.

What Saj1000 stated is all I had in mind. If you think THAT is dangerous, well then continue to raise the alarm.

Your wording does seem interesting though that suddenly you think it's important for people to know who it is exactly that's behind the new "movement"?
What "movement would that be Whispers? Inquiring minds want to know.

It's funny, when I first ran this post and you were the first one to respond, I knew then that there was no way you would let this thread run it's course as a simple thread to exchange ideas and have positive suggestions.

O.k., I know. You are only looking out for the "welfare of the community" right? I'm sure there will be those that believe that and I'm sure there's plenty more who see a different motivation for your "contribution" to this thread. Some key words and phrases you used certainly seem to indicate the second.

No worries Whispers, there is no new "movement" here to dethrone the King. So before you get really ugly with more insinuations, relax. The "spring movement of the Middle East" hasn't found it's way to ECCIE just yet. Your kingdom is secure. You continue to rule.

There have been very few socials I've been to where I haven't cringed at the behavior of someone, be it provider or hobbyist. Originally Posted by Vyt

Very true...

Discretion is *very* important to me. Originally Posted by Vyt

Yeah... a lady friend and I were going to do an "invite-only" get together in a private room at a nice restaurant earlier in the year. Unfortunately, we had a security scare and cancelled it out of an abundance of caution, but it would be something I'd still like to try.

This is an internet message board with anonymous posters. Some of us are nice, upstanding, and trustworthy citizens. (I know, I've met some of you.) But there is a host of other people who could easily be playing at being something they're not for nefarious reasons...

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Whispers, you certainly are interesting to say the least. I appreciate your "concern" for the community by asking just exactly who I am.

Well... Your trying to put together an event with a bunch of hookers and johns coming together in one place so yeah..... People oughta know if your legit.....

Strange though that you didn't have that question before inviting me to your SC event.

Different event in a different type of setting..... Even if you were a cop I wouldn't be concerned with meeting you for a drink in a strip club.

An event where, strangely enough, you also invited providers and fellow hobbyists to get together.

I seldom invite Providers..... Other guys do and they accept responsibility for them. The providers attending KNOW to be concerned for their own safety and well being and to not discuss business. There are typically only 6-8 Providers in the mix... The rest of the girls are all strippers.... Not a lot to be concerned with.....

An event where you saw me in the VIP area getting dances from strippers.

Which tells us what? Your capable of paying for and receiving a table dance?

Now, and I'm just thinking out loud here, I met several providers at your event. Met several hobbyists too. Spoke to Sixx, and a few others. You didn't seem too worried about "who exactly I am" at that point.

Once again.... No I wasn't.... All anyone needs to get an invite is interest in Strippers and Strip Clubs.

Instead you invited me to sit down with you so you could fill me in on some general info you thought was worthwhile for me to know.

Want to know what's funny? One of the dancers, while giving me a lap dance, told me that LE had been seen in the parking lot taking down license plates.

They cruise the lot several times a week..... Has nothing to do with us....

Did I get paranoid and think you had something to do with that? No. LE in the parking lot of a SC is a pretty common event in my experience.

YUP... In the club as well...

Why did you feel more comfortable with me then?

Public setting where guys go to drink and ogle strippers all the time.....

Why did you invite me and now when I propose an event suddenly you think people should be wary or ask themselves "who exactly I am"?
Interesting.

Because the nature of the event is different..... I write a lot for the sole purpose of making people stop and think...People get caught up in the moment far too often.....

What Saj1000 stated is all I had in mind. If you think THAT is dangerous, well then continue to raise the alarm.

It depends on how it is handled... But Yes... A large group of hookers and johns in a private to semiprivate area concerns does present a need to be concerned. Would I go? Sure... I can handle my own safety and well being. However... The questions being raised are prudent ones everyone should address...

What is of more concern to the public..... a bunch of hookers and johns on the patio at the Oasis where families are mingling with their childred as well.... or a bunch of guys having lunch in a strip club with a bunch of strippers that work in the club and MAYBE there will be a few hookers....

Big difference..... FOr someone so intelligent in your first few weeks of posting you sure seem to want to pretend there is no reason for concern now huh?

Your wording does seem interesting though that suddenly you think it's important for people to know who it is exactly that's behind the new "movement"?

There is something like this that comes up every few months..... No special meaning to the words other than people should know you are legit...

What "movement would that be Whispers? Inquiring minds want to know.

The idea to put a bunch of hookers and johns together in a single place... possibly co mingled with the public....

It's funny, when I first ran this post and you were the first one to respond, I knew then that there was no way you would let this thread run it's course as a simple thread to exchange ideas and have positive suggestions.

We are exchanging ideas and getting suggestions.... I haven't suggested that it is a bad idea.... I meant what I said. I am all for more parties and community involvement.

O.k., I know. You are only looking out for the "welfare of the community" right?

To some extent...... I bring issues up all the time that others don't always stop to think about....

I'm sure there will be those that believe that and I'm sure there's plenty more who see a different motivation for your "contribution" to this thread. Some key words and phrases you used certainly seem to indicate the second.

Such as?

No worries Whispers, there is no new "movement" here to dethrone the King.

Not concerned with that..... I've actually tried to step away from and turn the GC events over to someone else to run so I can just enjoy them....

So before you get really ugly with more insinuations, relax. The "spring movement of the Middle East" hasn't found it's way to ECCIE just yet. Your kingdom is secure. You continue to rule. Originally Posted by DTorchia

Ok.... Now that you danced all around the subject trying to spin this to be about me .... Maybe you can get a few of the ladies you have seen to step forward and vouch that you are legit....

All I can say is I met you, you can afford to have a few drinks and get a few dances.....

If you, CK1942, Nuglet and I all stood in a line up and 50 people were asked who might "look" like a cop I can assure everyone that nuglet, CK and myself would easily be excluded by all 50.....

The ladies I know that come to the parties all know to be concerned with how and what they talk to guys about....

They know that if I introduce them to a guy that is a part of the group that he is a guy that likes strip clubs and an occaisional dance..... If I want them to know MORE about a guy or a guy to know more about a girl it is handled in a totally different manner...... Guys like Ztonk, Unagi, EZman, Kboy are entrusted to look after them and be sure noting is out of line and they meet safe guys.....

I talked to you no different at P10 then I would have a stranger that took the time to say hello, that he was out of town and wanted to know about the club.

I can also assure you this questions would not have been asked nor would this be entering the discussion if any of 100s of other guys or ladies were pushing the idea.....

Like I said.... Stopping to read a little would teach you a bit...... I've been supportive since day one of every attempt to put together a party.....

I do have ideas and opinions on how and where that I always raise.....

If you, CK1942, Nuglet and I all stood in a line up and 50 people were asked who might "look" like a cop I can assure everyone that nuglet, CK and myself would easily be excluded by all 50.....


Originally Posted by Whispers

LOL! Ok, I'll stop working out, I would grow my hair long but alas, I have grooming standards overseas that must be kept....hmmm, let me think, anything else that I might do so I don't "look" like a cop?

And here I thought that LE picked UC's that could blend in to the environment and with the people they're around, guess I just watched too many movies.

You are priceless my friend!