- TheDaliLama
- 06-07-2019, 12:28 PM
- rexdutchman
- 06-07-2019, 01:22 PM
No shocker here , And disposal of the battery's is difficult and dangerous at best , And the metals used in battery parks come from ( wait for it) China (only)
- bambino
- 06-07-2019, 01:30 PM
Had a Passat TDI. Great car. I was getting 50mpg on the highway. Reluctantly, I sold it back to VW under their buy back program. I made out on the deal. Too bad VW abandoned their Diesel engines in the US.
- Unique_Carpenter
- 06-07-2019, 01:31 PM
Sadly this is old news.
The data has been around quite a while.
A 2nd issue is that no one gets the concept that at least one battery replacement at a stiff cost should he included in the initial purchase evaluation.
Life cycle cost per mile is higher than gas fired.
The data has been around quite a while.
A 2nd issue is that no one gets the concept that at least one battery replacement at a stiff cost should he included in the initial purchase evaluation.
Life cycle cost per mile is higher than gas fired.
- oeb11
- 06-07-2019, 03:19 PM
DPST's will deny and bury facts that are contrary to their "religious narrative".
Watch AOC and Minions spew - "That's a Lie!!"
Watch AOC and Minions spew - "That's a Lie!!"
- the_real_Barleycorn
- 06-07-2019, 04:26 PM
Ford Fiesta diesel...about 60 mpg but can't be imported because of environmental regulations. There's a Lancia out there in Italy, same story. Great looking car but importation prohibited.
- gnadfly
- 06-07-2019, 05:17 PM
Some "Big Tent."
A Dem Presidential hopeful wants to debate climate change. He was told he could not and if he did in another forum he would not be invited to any DNC debates.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...ate-on-climate
A Dem Presidential hopeful wants to debate climate change. He was told he could not and if he did in another forum he would not be invited to any DNC debates.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...ate-on-climate
- bambino
- 06-07-2019, 06:15 PM
- friendly fred
- 06-07-2019, 07:09 PM
Sadly this is old news.Those batteries will break you I've heard - plus they weight half a ton.
The data has been around quite a while.
A 2nd issue is that no one gets the concept that at least one battery replacement at a stiff cost should he included in the initial purchase evaluation.
Life cycle cost per mile is higher than gas fired. Originally Posted by Unique_Carpenter
- rexdutchman
- 06-08-2019, 07:23 AM
But But the narrative is there Better Ha Ha ,,,,,,,,,, just stupid
- bambino
- 06-08-2019, 07:51 AM
- friendly fred
- 06-08-2019, 08:17 AM
This happened in Da Burgh recently:Wow - burned hours after they unplugged the damn thing!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TE9b_EC874g Originally Posted by bambino
- Munchmasterman
- 06-08-2019, 09:25 AM
Diesels produce a lot more Nitrogen Oxides which cause smog and acid rain. The method of reducing NOx is used on large trucks. The EGR systems are expensive. Paris is one of several places considering a ban on diesel
(Not sure if just car or cars and trucks).
Cobalt-Canada among other places.
Lithium-Huge reserves in South America.
(Not sure if just car or cars and trucks).
https://www.technocracy.news/shock-e...n-diesel-cars/ Originally Posted by TheDaliLamaManganese-70% of world reserves in South Africa.
Cobalt-Canada among other places.
Lithium-Huge reserves in South America.
No shocker here , And disposal of the battery's is difficult and dangerous at best , And the metals used in battery parks come from ( wait for it) China (only) Originally Posted by rexdutchman
- bambino
- 06-08-2019, 09:32 AM
- Munchmasterman
- 06-08-2019, 09:35 AM
DNC Members Push For Climate Change-Centered Presidential Debate
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Over 50 voting members of theDemocratic National Committeehave submitted a resolution calling on DNC ChairmanTom Perezto hold apresidential debatedevoted exclusively to the topic ofclimate change.
The signers plan to collect more signatures and submit the resolution for official consideration at a DNC meeting in Pittsburgh at the end of the month. Perez would be free to reject it, even if it had majority support in the DNC. In the meantime, it is intended to function as an open letter and source of pressure on Perez.
The resolution is a response to the DNC’s decision on Wednesday toinform Washington Gov. Jay Inslee (D)that it was rejecting his request for a climate-centered debate. Inslee, who is languishing at the bottom of public polls, has made climate change the singular focus of his 2020 candidacy.
The DNC also declared that any candidate who participates in an unsanctioned stage appearance alongside other candidates would be barred from future DNC-sponsored debates.
In response to the announcement, Washington Democratic Party Chairwoman Tina Podlodowski reached out to fellow state party leaders and Democratic National Committee members to organize a letter of protest. She solicited support first from leaders in neighboring Western states, then expanded outward.
“It’s a tremendous opportunity as far as I’m concerned to show where Democrats stand on this issue, not just about saving the planet but how it’s an economic issue, how it’s an income inequality issue and really show Democratic unity here,” Podlodowski told HuffPost. “It’s the No. 1 issue for younger voters in our party and if we want them to turn out, we should show them the respect they deserve in hearing solutions to an issue that they are going to face far more than those of us in our 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s moving forward.”
The signers, who collectively make up more than 10% of the DNC’s voting membership, include the chairs of state parties in California, Alaska, Hawaii, Wyoming, Oregon, New Mexico, Vermont, Utah, Idaho, Maine, Montana and Nebraska. California Democratic National Committee member Christine Pelosi, the daughter of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), is among the rank-and-file DNC members to sign the resolution.
Another Californian, Rep. Ro Khanna, who is not on the DNC but serves as a co-chair of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders’ 2020 presidential campaign, added his voice to the chorus on Friday as well.
“Climate change is the greatest crisis facing our world and our nation so it would be appropriate for it to be the first topic-based debate among Democratic candidates,” Khanna said. “It’s something people aren’t paying sufficient attention to in the Congress.”
Podlodowski, who insisted the effort was not intended specifically to help Inslee, said that Perez’s lack of transparency and solicitation of broader input were major drivers of the backlash. DNC members have faulted Perez for, among other things, failing to consult them on the appointment of anew finance chair, and his handling of an effort to modernize the DNC’svoter data collection. (The latter dispute has since been resolved.)
“This is another example of not checking in with state party chairs on what’s happening on the ground and what’s happening with grassroots,” Podlodowski said. “It’s tiresome and it’s frustrating, and frankly we need to do better.”
Nebraska Democratic Party Chairwoman Jane Kleeb had similar concerns.“If he would just talk to those of us inside the party who want him and the party to do well, we could avoid all of this,” she said.
State party chairs plan to discuss holding their own climate change-focused forum when the Association of State Democratic Chairs meets in Santa Fe, New Mexico, next week, according to Kleeb.
The DNC resolution follows public protestations of the climate debate decision from grassroots progressive groups, including MoveOn, U.S. Climate Strike and the Sunrise Movement.
“Our generation’s survival is at stake. It’s time for the DNC to act like it and host a climate debate,” the Sunrise Movementtweeted.
Members of the Democratic National Committee are calling on DNC Chairman Tom Perez to approve a climate change-focused debate for the party’s 2020 contenders. Perez has clashed with rank-and-file DNC members who complain that he does not consult them.(ASSOCIATED PRESS/Jacquelyn Martin)
Sunrise, Daily Kos, Climate Hawks Vote, GreenPeace and other liberal groups are soliciting petition signatures calling for the debate and plan to deliver them to Perez next week.
The DNC for now is sticking with its plan for the debates to be wide-ranging rather than limited to a single issue. If the DNC sanctioned single-issue debates, it would not end with climate change, argued DNC spokesperson Xochitl Hinojosa.
“Once we start allowing one candidate to dictate what the debate is about, we have to say ‘yes’ to all of them on their core issue. Otherwise people would say we are benefiting one candidate,” Hinojosa said. “And if we were to have issue-area debates, how do you pick 12 issue areas?”
“Climate shouldn’t just be part of one debate, it should be part of multiple debates, as should immigration, health care, the economy, criminal justice, women’s reproductive rights and other issues important to all voters,” Hinojosa added.
Instead, the DNC encourages candidates to participate in single-issue candidate forums, where candidates do not appear onstage together.
Podlodowski maintained that climate change in a uniquely complex issue that merits dedicated time of its own with multiple candidates onstage discussing it at once.
“This issue is one that’s different and is more complex in many ways because of so, so many years of people denying the science behind this and how that impacts our planet every single day,” Podlodowski said.
Climate change advocates are not wrong to be concerned that the issue could be given short shrift in presidential debates. As of March 2016,just 1.5% of the questionsin 20 presidential debates for candidates from both parties were about climate change, according to an analysis by the liberal watchdog Media Matters for America.
Perez has sought to assuage those concerns by admonishing the media networks hosting the debates to feature the issue prominently.
The DNC has sought to administer the debates in a way that appears impartial to all the candidates. During the 2016 presidential primary, supporters of Sen. Sanders accused the party body of structuring the debate schedule to favor Hillary Clinton, who had greater name recognition. They argued that the schedule, which initially only included six debates, was designed to prevent Sanders and other lesser-known candidates from getting national airtime.
In a bid to earn the trust of all primary voters, the DNC announced in December that it would hold 12 primary debates. To qualify for the first two debates, candidates must either receive campaign contributions from 65,000 individuals or earn support of 1% or more in three sanctioned public polls.
The first debate is scheduled for June 26 and June 27 in Miami, with as many as 10 candidates allowed to appear onstage either night. The network will decide which combination of candidates appears on each night. If more than 20 candidates meet the official debate criteria, priority will be given to those who have met both criteria, and then whose poll numbers are highest.
The bar is higher for the third debate in September, when candidates will have to meet two criteria: having 130,000 individual donors and reaching 2% or more in at least four sanctioned polls.
This cycle, the lion’s share of criticism directed at the DNC has come not from Sanders and his supporters, but lower-tier candidates anxious that they will not qualify.
Montana Gov. Steve Bullock (D) accused the DNC of deliberately excluding him by refusing to count the ABC News/Washington Post poll that would have been the third showing him with 1% support.
The DNC claims that it told Bullock as far back as March that it would not count the poll because it surveyed people with an open-ended question about their preference rather than prompting respondents with a list of candidates.
Below are the names of the DNC climate change debate resolution signatories:
Steven Alari, California DNC memberTerje Anderson, Chair, Vermont Democratic PartyJoe Barbuto, Chair, Wyoming Democratic PartyVan Beechler, Chair, Idaho Democratic PartyArtie Blanco, Nevada DNC memberKate Brown, Oregon DNC memberEd Cote, Washington DNC memberJean Lamire Dahlman, Montana DNC memberBart Dame, Hawaii DNC memberBecca Doten, California DNC memberJess Durfee, California DNC memberMarg Elliston, California DNC memberAlex Goff, Nevada DNC memberDavid Green, Washington DNC memberMike Hamrick, California DNC memberCarla Hanson, Chair, Oregon Democratic PartyRusty Hicks, Chair, California Democratic PartyGary Hooser, Hawaii DNC memberAleita Huguenin, California DNC memberJane Kleeb, Chair, Nebraska Democratic PartyTina Kotek, Oregon DNC memberMichael Kapp, California DNC memberMatt Keating, Oregon DNC memberPete Lee, Oregon DNC memberKealii Lopez, Chair, Hawaii Democratic PartySandra Lowe, California DNC memberKathleen Marra, Chair, Maine Democratic PartySharon Mast, Washington DNC memberDavid McDonald, Washington DNC memberNancy Monacelli, Washington DNC memberTravis Nelson, Oregon DNC memberChristine Pelosi, California DNC memberJohn Perez, California DNC memberTina Podlodowski, Chair, Washington Democratic PartyMelahat Rafiei, California DNC memberRion Ramirez, Massachusetts DNC memberChris Reeves, Kansas DNC memberEllen Rosenblum, Oregon DNC memberRaymond Sanchez, New Mexico DNC memberMary Sexton, Chair, Montana Democratic PartySusie Shannon, California DNC memberGarry Shay, California DNC memberJeri Shepherd, Colorado DNC memberTanya Shively, Oregon DNC memberCasey Steinau, Chair, Alaska Democratic PartyAllison Stephens, Nevada DNC memberMary Sullivan, Vermont DNC memberDaisy Thomas, Chair, Utah Democratic PartyTerry Tucker, Colorado DNC memberKeith Umemoto, California DNC memberAndrew Werthmann, Wisconsin DNC MemberNikema Williams, Chair, Georgia Democratic PartyLawrence Zakson, California DNC member
This story has been updated with a statement from Ro Khanna.
CORRECTION: A previous version of this story incorrectly listed Carla Hanson and Tanya Shively as members of the California Democratic Party.
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Over 50 voting members of theDemocratic National Committeehave submitted a resolution calling on DNC ChairmanTom Perezto hold apresidential debatedevoted exclusively to the topic ofclimate change.
The signers plan to collect more signatures and submit the resolution for official consideration at a DNC meeting in Pittsburgh at the end of the month. Perez would be free to reject it, even if it had majority support in the DNC. In the meantime, it is intended to function as an open letter and source of pressure on Perez.
The resolution is a response to the DNC’s decision on Wednesday toinform Washington Gov. Jay Inslee (D)that it was rejecting his request for a climate-centered debate. Inslee, who is languishing at the bottom of public polls, has made climate change the singular focus of his 2020 candidacy.
The DNC also declared that any candidate who participates in an unsanctioned stage appearance alongside other candidates would be barred from future DNC-sponsored debates.
In response to the announcement, Washington Democratic Party Chairwoman Tina Podlodowski reached out to fellow state party leaders and Democratic National Committee members to organize a letter of protest. She solicited support first from leaders in neighboring Western states, then expanded outward.
“It’s a tremendous opportunity as far as I’m concerned to show where Democrats stand on this issue, not just about saving the planet but how it’s an economic issue, how it’s an income inequality issue and really show Democratic unity here,” Podlodowski told HuffPost. “It’s the No. 1 issue for younger voters in our party and if we want them to turn out, we should show them the respect they deserve in hearing solutions to an issue that they are going to face far more than those of us in our 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s moving forward.”
The signers, who collectively make up more than 10% of the DNC’s voting membership, include the chairs of state parties in California, Alaska, Hawaii, Wyoming, Oregon, New Mexico, Vermont, Utah, Idaho, Maine, Montana and Nebraska. California Democratic National Committee member Christine Pelosi, the daughter of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), is among the rank-and-file DNC members to sign the resolution.
Another Californian, Rep. Ro Khanna, who is not on the DNC but serves as a co-chair of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders’ 2020 presidential campaign, added his voice to the chorus on Friday as well.
“Climate change is the greatest crisis facing our world and our nation so it would be appropriate for it to be the first topic-based debate among Democratic candidates,” Khanna said. “It’s something people aren’t paying sufficient attention to in the Congress.”
Podlodowski, who insisted the effort was not intended specifically to help Inslee, said that Perez’s lack of transparency and solicitation of broader input were major drivers of the backlash. DNC members have faulted Perez for, among other things, failing to consult them on the appointment of anew finance chair, and his handling of an effort to modernize the DNC’svoter data collection. (The latter dispute has since been resolved.)
“This is another example of not checking in with state party chairs on what’s happening on the ground and what’s happening with grassroots,” Podlodowski said. “It’s tiresome and it’s frustrating, and frankly we need to do better.”
Nebraska Democratic Party Chairwoman Jane Kleeb had similar concerns.“If he would just talk to those of us inside the party who want him and the party to do well, we could avoid all of this,” she said.
State party chairs plan to discuss holding their own climate change-focused forum when the Association of State Democratic Chairs meets in Santa Fe, New Mexico, next week, according to Kleeb.
The DNC resolution follows public protestations of the climate debate decision from grassroots progressive groups, including MoveOn, U.S. Climate Strike and the Sunrise Movement.
“Our generation’s survival is at stake. It’s time for the DNC to act like it and host a climate debate,” the Sunrise Movementtweeted.
Members of the Democratic National Committee are calling on DNC Chairman Tom Perez to approve a climate change-focused debate for the party’s 2020 contenders. Perez has clashed with rank-and-file DNC members who complain that he does not consult them.(ASSOCIATED PRESS/Jacquelyn Martin)
Sunrise, Daily Kos, Climate Hawks Vote, GreenPeace and other liberal groups are soliciting petition signatures calling for the debate and plan to deliver them to Perez next week.
The DNC for now is sticking with its plan for the debates to be wide-ranging rather than limited to a single issue. If the DNC sanctioned single-issue debates, it would not end with climate change, argued DNC spokesperson Xochitl Hinojosa.
“Once we start allowing one candidate to dictate what the debate is about, we have to say ‘yes’ to all of them on their core issue. Otherwise people would say we are benefiting one candidate,” Hinojosa said. “And if we were to have issue-area debates, how do you pick 12 issue areas?”
“Climate shouldn’t just be part of one debate, it should be part of multiple debates, as should immigration, health care, the economy, criminal justice, women’s reproductive rights and other issues important to all voters,” Hinojosa added.
Instead, the DNC encourages candidates to participate in single-issue candidate forums, where candidates do not appear onstage together.
Podlodowski maintained that climate change in a uniquely complex issue that merits dedicated time of its own with multiple candidates onstage discussing it at once.
“This issue is one that’s different and is more complex in many ways because of so, so many years of people denying the science behind this and how that impacts our planet every single day,” Podlodowski said.
Climate change advocates are not wrong to be concerned that the issue could be given short shrift in presidential debates. As of March 2016,just 1.5% of the questionsin 20 presidential debates for candidates from both parties were about climate change, according to an analysis by the liberal watchdog Media Matters for America.
Perez has sought to assuage those concerns by admonishing the media networks hosting the debates to feature the issue prominently.
The DNC has sought to administer the debates in a way that appears impartial to all the candidates. During the 2016 presidential primary, supporters of Sen. Sanders accused the party body of structuring the debate schedule to favor Hillary Clinton, who had greater name recognition. They argued that the schedule, which initially only included six debates, was designed to prevent Sanders and other lesser-known candidates from getting national airtime.
In a bid to earn the trust of all primary voters, the DNC announced in December that it would hold 12 primary debates. To qualify for the first two debates, candidates must either receive campaign contributions from 65,000 individuals or earn support of 1% or more in three sanctioned public polls.
The first debate is scheduled for June 26 and June 27 in Miami, with as many as 10 candidates allowed to appear onstage either night. The network will decide which combination of candidates appears on each night. If more than 20 candidates meet the official debate criteria, priority will be given to those who have met both criteria, and then whose poll numbers are highest.
The bar is higher for the third debate in September, when candidates will have to meet two criteria: having 130,000 individual donors and reaching 2% or more in at least four sanctioned polls.
This cycle, the lion’s share of criticism directed at the DNC has come not from Sanders and his supporters, but lower-tier candidates anxious that they will not qualify.
Montana Gov. Steve Bullock (D) accused the DNC of deliberately excluding him by refusing to count the ABC News/Washington Post poll that would have been the third showing him with 1% support.
The DNC claims that it told Bullock as far back as March that it would not count the poll because it surveyed people with an open-ended question about their preference rather than prompting respondents with a list of candidates.
Below are the names of the DNC climate change debate resolution signatories:
Steven Alari, California DNC memberTerje Anderson, Chair, Vermont Democratic PartyJoe Barbuto, Chair, Wyoming Democratic PartyVan Beechler, Chair, Idaho Democratic PartyArtie Blanco, Nevada DNC memberKate Brown, Oregon DNC memberEd Cote, Washington DNC memberJean Lamire Dahlman, Montana DNC memberBart Dame, Hawaii DNC memberBecca Doten, California DNC memberJess Durfee, California DNC memberMarg Elliston, California DNC memberAlex Goff, Nevada DNC memberDavid Green, Washington DNC memberMike Hamrick, California DNC memberCarla Hanson, Chair, Oregon Democratic PartyRusty Hicks, Chair, California Democratic PartyGary Hooser, Hawaii DNC memberAleita Huguenin, California DNC memberJane Kleeb, Chair, Nebraska Democratic PartyTina Kotek, Oregon DNC memberMichael Kapp, California DNC memberMatt Keating, Oregon DNC memberPete Lee, Oregon DNC memberKealii Lopez, Chair, Hawaii Democratic PartySandra Lowe, California DNC memberKathleen Marra, Chair, Maine Democratic PartySharon Mast, Washington DNC memberDavid McDonald, Washington DNC memberNancy Monacelli, Washington DNC memberTravis Nelson, Oregon DNC memberChristine Pelosi, California DNC memberJohn Perez, California DNC memberTina Podlodowski, Chair, Washington Democratic PartyMelahat Rafiei, California DNC memberRion Ramirez, Massachusetts DNC memberChris Reeves, Kansas DNC memberEllen Rosenblum, Oregon DNC memberRaymond Sanchez, New Mexico DNC memberMary Sexton, Chair, Montana Democratic PartySusie Shannon, California DNC memberGarry Shay, California DNC memberJeri Shepherd, Colorado DNC memberTanya Shively, Oregon DNC memberCasey Steinau, Chair, Alaska Democratic PartyAllison Stephens, Nevada DNC memberMary Sullivan, Vermont DNC memberDaisy Thomas, Chair, Utah Democratic PartyTerry Tucker, Colorado DNC memberKeith Umemoto, California DNC memberAndrew Werthmann, Wisconsin DNC MemberNikema Williams, Chair, Georgia Democratic PartyLawrence Zakson, California DNC member
This story has been updated with a statement from Ro Khanna.
CORRECTION: A previous version of this story incorrectly listed Carla Hanson and Tanya Shively as members of the California Democratic Party.
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Some "Big Tent."
A Dem Presidential hopeful wants to debate climate change. He was told he could not and if he did in another forum he would not be invited to any DNC debates.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...ate-on-climate Originally Posted by gnadfly