Allow me

I could almost see it coming so in an effort to save someone some grief, allow me to take this sword.

YES, most of the gentlemen of the board prefer GFE, no up sale and bbbj.
geez.
tongue in cheek.

I can't imagine not including GFE in my rates to be quite honest.

However, every lady is entitled to set her own prices and limitations during a session. Not every girl you want to see is going to offer all the services you'd like for the price you'd like. But with enough research, you can find your perfect lady

I would agree that most of the gents search out GFE providers.

I also agree that each provider should run her own business the way she sees fit. There is more than one who advertises GFE and non-GFE rates. I have no problem with having different rates for different services as long as I get what I pay for.

And the review section is where we gents sort through and see just who provides what. I know some are embellished, but when every review comes with a resounding yes recommendation, it is believable that said girl is that good. Works the same way when the recommendation is a no. Most will go somewhere else.

There are examples of tiered service that are successful, depends on what the customer wants. I think Lana Storm had a long run with a lot of fans despite her complex menu from massage to non-gfe to full on multiple hour gfe rate schedule.

In general though - I agree most on this board prefer all-inclusive hourly rates. Good consumers should read the ad and choose accordingly, steered by reviews that confirm or not the advertised service level.

In general though - I agree most on this board expect all-inclusive hourly rates. Originally Posted by mtabsw

Therein lies the problem.

Review boards only make up a small percentage of the hobby especially in Dallas.

Go look up how many P411 handles are for Dallas and then compare against the Dallas provider ads posted or handles that simply post and you'll find a difference. How many escorts have quit posting ads because the "board" demands they provide services such as BBBJ or DATY that the escort doesn't feel comfortable providing.

I daresay that in Dallas, it appears that taken as a whole, the level of service for non-ECCIE providers is a lot less GFE than the providers who rely solely on ECCIE for business and that is a shame because too many escorts have come to rely on a board rather than alternative methods or places to advertise and that limits not just their income but also ability to limit what they might actually want to do in session.

Competition is fierce on boards. I recall when some providers started to post they offered greek and their phones blew up. Review after review and next thing you know, more started to offer it in ads. Did that many really want greek or did they feel pressured to offer it to keep busy because they did not have any other place to find clients at a service level they wanted at the price the guy was willing to pay.

Nevermind, I don't feel like being flamed today at the moment, maybe tomorrow.

But up-selling is wrong....unless its something like Greek, PSE. Not all providers perform those unique services. Unless your penis is the size if lemon drop ( the really really small one), nothing is going up my butt....no use in up-selling for something that would make me uncomfortable.

Flame on...protective gear on nice and snug.

Long story short, give the men their time. Unless they leave on their own.

Not sure I follow you LL. The girls whose business suffers from not offering GFE only have themselves to blame. Successful providers know that the key is getting guys to come back. That usually doesn't happen without GFE. If a girl doesn't want be GFE that's her call, but I won't feel sorry for them if they get lots of negative reviews and wind up broke at the end of the month. Would you feel sorry for any other business that offered crappy service and got blown away by competitors that were better?

The fact of the matter is a lot of these girls aren't cut out for this business. They think it's easy money and guys are suckers. I say more power to the GFE providers who keep guys happy. You realize that 90% of the drama on this board is from non GFE types and their WK's who try to defend their sub par service.

I don't have a problem with girls not offering a full menu of GFE activities but what chaps my ass is girls who don't explain what IS off limits in their ads or at least before the session starts. I've been with a few BP and CL providers who were supposed to be "freak in the sheets" types according to their ads but when the door closes to the incall things change or they want to charge extra for what I feel should be included by ANYONE who is charging for sex. (BBBJ, DFK or at least LFK, DATY)

I have zero problems with providers who upsell Greek. As far as I'm concerned, that is not a big deal to me anyway. Sure, it's fun especially if the gal is asking for it, but it's not even in the top 5 for me as far as what I look for in a provider.

On my p411 profile, I list a few things that I expect in a session. I think all members should list what turns them on and makes for a great session. Likewise, all providers should list what they will and will not offer BCD. It would stop a lot of the BS and help us all. I know there are a few highly rated, well reviewed providers that are members here that I will never see because I know they don't offer a full GFE menu. That's their choice, and mine too.