NBC News: It May Be Illegal to Vote for President Trump and the Government Should Take Action

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ah yes .. let's invalidate elections over "perceived" racism by racists!

RIGHT!!

BAHHAHHAAAAAAAA


NBC News: It May Be Illegal to Vote for President Trump and the Government Should Take Action

https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/202...ote-for-trump/


Yes, this could easily be a headline from the Babylon Bee. No, it’s not a parody.


If you are reading this and plan on voting for President Trump, you may be breaking the law according to NBC News. Go lawyer up I guess.
"Racist voting is not just immoral, but illegal. The government has the ability, and the responsibility, to address it." ��https://t.co/JKvWhNvkOH
— Andy Grewal (@AndyGrewal) January 17, 2020
We’ll get into the legalities in a second, but even on the surface, you’ll be shocked to learn that “racist” voting constitutes basically everyone who voted for Trump according to the standards laid out in the article.
If the Trump era has taught us anything, it’s that large numbers of white people in the United States are motivated at least in part by racism in the voting booth.
The author then goes on to list a bunch of misleading, out of context charges (such as the “Mexicans are all rapists” misrepresentation) to make his point that most of the white people who voted for Trump are at least partially motivated by deep racism.


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So what’s the reasoning behind the idea that Trump voters have committed an unconstitutional offense by voting for him? The editorial relies on the “legal opinion” of someone named Terry Smith, who stereotypically teaches at a law school in Balitmore. Here’s what he has to say.
This sounds radical. But Smith argues that it’s in line with the Constitution and with years of court rulings. For example, Smith points out that racist appeals in union elections are illegal and that an election in which one side uses racist appeals can be invalidated by the National Labor Relations Board. Similarly, in the 2016 case Peña v. Rodriguez, the Supreme Court ruled that when a juror expresses overt bigotry, the jury’s verdict should be invalidated.


“When voters go to the booth, they’re not expressing a mere personal preference,” Smith told me. According to Smith, voters who pull the levers to harm black people are violating the Constitution. If the Constitution means that overt racist appeals undermine the legality of union elections, it stands to reason that they undermine the legality of other elections, as well.
Indeed, it does sound radical because it’s an absolutely insane assertion. If you are going to make a constitutional argument, citing a study that makes an awful constitutional argument is not how to do it (his conclusion of unconstitutionality comes from a Princeton study he links too). Yet, that’s what Smith does without even a hint that his claim isn’t actually proven to be factual. Further, it’s clearly a violation of the 1st Amendment for the government to suppress the votes of someone people based on what they think or say.


But wait, there’s more. Smith even has ideas of how to target people for their supposed racist voting.
So how can you tell when voters are acting out of prejudice? Again, Smith says, employment discrimination law provides a useful analogy. In discrimination cases, courts look for pretexts. If someone gives a reason for a hiring decision that is obviously false or makes little sense in context, the court has good reason to believe that prejudice or bias may have influenced the hiring decision.


Trump’s unprecedented, compulsive, easily documented lying during the 2016 campaign made him an irrational choice. It’s reasonable to conclude that voters were willing to swallow the falsehoods because they liked what they heard: overt racist appeals and incessant lies about rising crime rates. Research has since suggested that plenty of Trump voters were indeed strongly motivated by racist resentment and anti-immigrant animus.
In other words, anyone who voted for Trump is a racist, and if they give reasons to the contrary, they must be lying because the only reason to ever vote for Trump is racism.


Smith goes on to suggest censure and fines for voting for Trump, but concedes those aren’t really enforceable. He also bats around the idea of nullifying elections, but again says that’s not really doable. At least he’s realistic, right?


Eventually, he arrives at some other ideas, such as creating “Senate districts” in order to weight the black vote higher than the white vote in the south.
Even more ambitiously, Smith suggests expanding the Voting Rights Act to address the racist patterns of voting in Senate elections in the South. Because the majority of white voters in the South vote Republican, and because they outnumber black voters, there isn’t a single Democratic senator from the Deep South other than Doug Jones in Alabama, who may well lose his seat in 2020. Smith argues that we could remedy these disparate, racially motivated outcomes by creating Senate districts. Presumably, that would make it at least possible for black voters to elect a senator who would support their interests.


This is clearly a very controversial proposal, and its constitutionality has been debated in the past. But given obvious disparities in representation in the South, it seems worth considering again.
It’s apparently been lost on Smith (or not so lost, as it’s possible he’s just a massive racist hypocrite) that there are places throughout the country where minority voters continually put Democrats into office that some may not feel represent their interests. Should they have their voting power artificially stripped away as well? I certainly don’t think so, but according to Smith, if you are white and voted for Trump, the system should make it impossible for you to gain the representatives of your choice. Smith ends by suggesting that Democrats packing the courts, because of course he does.


I’m gonna stop there because my brain can’t take anymore. The idea of disenfranchising voters over false charges of racism is vile, fascistic garbage at the highest level. The fact that NBC News actually published this article is more evidence that these legacy news outlets are not vital, needed parts of our discourse. They are awful institutions that perpetuate division and we’d all be better off if they went bankrupt tomorrow.

These suggestions by Smith (and the author of the NBC News piece) are something you’d expect to hear in mid-30s Germany as a way to target Jews. It’s literally handing government the power to judge thought crimes and change the results of an elections in response. It represents the lowest, most dangerous form of racial politics, where anything goes as long as it meets the goals of a one side. The rate at which these kinds of inter-sectional, racial ideas have become common place in higher education is actually scary.


NBC News should be ashamed for putting out this racist trash as a legitimate opinion piece.

now the racist screed by a uber liberal nazi ..


Trump voters motivated by racism may be violating the Constitution. Can they be stopped?

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...m_npd_nn_tw_ma


By Noah Berlatsky


If the Trump era has taught us anything, it's that large numbers of white people in the United States are motivated at least in part by racism in the voting booth. Donald Trump ran an openly racist campaign for president, calling Mexicans

rapists and criminals, regularly retweeting white supremacists and at least initially balking at repudiating former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke. Trump made it clear in his campaign that "Make America Great Again" meant that America was greater when white people's power was more sweeping and more secure. White voters approved of that message by a whopping 58 percent to 37 percent.


Trump made it clear in his campaign that "Make America Great Again" meant that America was greater when white people's power was more sweeping and more secure.

Some politicians deny the evidence, no doubt because they don't want to alienate white voters, including prejudiced ones. Other commentators try to parse whether Trump's racism will be a winning strategy in 2020. Terry Smith, a visiting professor at the University of Baltimore School of Law, offers a different response in his new book, "Whitelash: Unmasking White Grievance at the Ballot Box." Rather than excuse racist voters or try to figure out how to live with their choices, he argues that racist voting is not just immoral, but illegal. The government, Smith says, has the ability, and the responsibility, to address it.


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This sounds radical. But Smith argues that it's in line with the Constitution and with years of court rulings. For example, Smith points out that racist appeals in union elections are illegal and that an election in which one side uses racist appeals can be invalidated by the National Labor Relations Board. Similarly, in the 2016 case Peña v. Rodriguez, the Supreme Court ruled that when a juror expresses overt bigotry, the jury's verdict should be invalidated.


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"When voters go to the booth, they're not expressing a mere personal preference," Smith told me. According to Smith, voters who pull the levers to harm black people are violating the Constitution. If the Constitution means that overt racist appeals undermine the legality of union elections, it stands to reason that they undermine the legality of other elections, as well.


So how can you tell when voters are acting out of prejudice? Again, Smith says, employment discrimination law provides a useful analogy. In discrimination cases, courts look for pretexts. If someone gives a reason for a hiring decision that is obviously false or makes little sense in context, the court has good reason to believe that prejudice or bias may have influenced the hiring decision.


Trump's unprecedented, compulsive, easily documented lying during the 2016 campaign made him an irrational choice. It's reasonable to conclude that voters were willing to swallow the falsehoods because they liked what they heard: overt racist appeals and incessant lies about rising crime rates. Research has since suggested that plenty of Trump voters were indeed strongly motivated by racist resentment and anti-immigrant animus.


Trump's unprecedented, compulsive, easily documented lying during the 2016 campaign made him an irrational choice.

The usual remedy for racial discrimination is censure or fines — as Trump was subjected to when the Justice Department found that his housing developments were discriminating against black tenants in the 1970s. It's more difficult to censure voters who have violated their constitutional duties. Nullifying elections would be essentially impossible. But Smith argues that there are other options.


"I think we can dismantle some of the features of the electoral system that encourage racialized decision-making," he says. "For instance, you only get a partisan gerrymander by moving people in and out of districts on the basis of their race." Ending this practice at the state and federal levels would be a big step toward reducing the power of racism at the ballot box, as would ending the use of Voter IDs intended to disenfranchise black voters.


Even more ambitiously, Smith suggests expanding the Voting Rights Act to address the racist patterns of voting in Senate elections in the South. Because the majority of white voters in the South vote Republican, and because they outnumber black voters, there isn't a single Democratic senator from the Deep South other than Doug Jones in Alabama, who may well lose his seat in 2020. Smith argues that we could remedy these disparate, racially motivated outcomes by creating Senate districts. Presumably, that would make it at least possible for black voters to elect a senator who would support their interests.


This is clearly a very controversial proposal, and its constitutionality has been debated in the past. But given obvious disparities in representation in the South, it seems worth considering again.


Over the last decade, an increasingly conservative Supreme Court has gutted the Voting Rights Act and upheld racist gerrymandering. Trump and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., are stacking both the Supreme Court and the federal courts more broadly with conservative judges. The prospect for an aggressive legislative response to racist voting seems slim.


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Still, Smith points out, in the long term, "these remedies are a lot more practical than a lot of people might think." Republicans won't always control the presidency and the Senate, and judges don't live forever. Democrats could also expand the number of seats on lower courts or even on the Supreme Court — another controversial proposal known as court-packing. If Democrats decide that responding to racist voting is a vital priority, they could, in time, take steps to do something about it.


It's difficult to address injustice, however, if you're unwilling to say injustice exists. Politicians and pundits, Republican and Democratic alike, have been unwilling to reprimand voters or hold them accountable. But voters are not well-intentioned innocents who are helplessly manipulated by malevolent leaders. They make important decisions as constitutional actors, for which they have moral responsibility. Racist voting isn't an accident. It's a choice that may violate the principles of our Constitution and our legal system. We should say so, and then we should find ways to reduce the harm it causes.
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NBC is trash!
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NBC is trash! Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm



NBC is part of the NWO agenda ..
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ah yes .. let's invalidate elections over "perceived" racism by racists!

RIGHT!!

BAHHAHHAAAAAAAA


NBC News: It May Be Illegal to Vote for President Trump and the Government Should Take Action

https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/202...ote-for-trump/


Yes, this could easily be a headline from the Babylon Bee. No, it’s not a parody. Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid
You leave no wonder why your known as our resident gun-toting, rootin'-tootin', racist conspiracy theorist.

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You leave no wonder why your known as our resident gun-toting, rootin'-tootin', racist conspiracy theorist.

https://www.redstate.com

Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

if you say so.

Trump voters motivated by racism may be violating the Constitution. Can they be stopped?


https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...m_npd_nn_tw_ma


you must admit your racism to move beyond it.
If Donald Trump is on the Ballot anyone who wishes to vote for him has the right to do so without any fear of legal retaliation from the Government.
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if you say so.

Trump voters motivated by racism may be violating the Constitution. Can they be stopped?


https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...m_npd_nn_tw_ma


you must admit your racism to move beyond it. Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid
Projection 101.
Projection 101. Originally Posted by eccieuser9500
Who is anyone to say a Vote for Trump is based solely on Racism? The problem with this Bullshit is if Trump or any of his supporters are Racist they have that right. Thoughts are not a crime, feelings are not a crime. Racism only becomes criminal when it is acted upon.
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Not solely. But in great part. We saw how yous hedged your comment there Levianonymous.

Don’t get cowshits on your pretty white robe, eh!
Not solely. But in great part. We saw how yous hedged your comment there Levianonymous.

Don’t get cowshits on your pretty white robe, eh! Originally Posted by HoeHummer
If I do, I'll just give it to you and Justin to share for your next "Blackface" event, lol.
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You leave no wonder why your known as our resident gun-toting, rootin'-tootin', racist conspiracy theorist.

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Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

I think you're missing the point.


Redstate is reporting on what NBC did with that article.


you think Redstate is making shit up, they're not and you're calling it a racist conspiracy???


please get real...
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Projection 101. Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...m_npd_nn_tw_ma


how is that projection 101?


sounds they are looking to disenfranchise alot of people for not "voting correctly" all because they voted "racist".


is that a good reason to disenfranchise them??
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I think you're missing the point.


Redstate is reporting on what NBC did with that article.


you think Redstate is making shit up, they're not and you're calling it a racist conspiracy???


please get real... Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

he's the missing link to the point.


BAHHAHHAAAA



Projection 101. Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...m_npd_nn_tw_ma


you should go to NBC's website and post your views. tell 'em you agree with their bullshit.

oh wait .. all the uber lib sites you love to cite don't allow comments. not NBC, VOX, Salon, HuffyPussy .. none.

why is that?


BAHHAQHHAAAA
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Who is anyone to say a Vote for Trump is based solely on Racism? The problem with this Bullshit is if Trump or any of his supporters are Racist they have that right. Thoughts are not a crime, feelings are not a crime. Racism only becomes criminal when it is acted upon. Originally Posted by Levianon17
I think anyone should freely vote for anyone they wish. That's why there are write-ins.
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he's the missing link to the point.


BAHHAHHAAAA

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...m_npd_nn_tw_ma


you should go to NBC's website and post your views. tell 'em you agree with their bullshit.

oh wait .. all the uber lib sites you love to cite don't allow comments. not NBC, VOX, Salon, HuffyPussy .. none.

why is that?

BAHHAQHHAAAA Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

salon stopped their comment section? didn't know that. guess they didn't want their babies shitting in their diapers.