- dilbert firestorm
- 02-13-2019, 11:38 PM
- bb1961
- 02-13-2019, 11:45 PM
Like I said before...a tariff on all the monies sent back to Mexico would MORE that cover the wall.
- bb1961
- 02-13-2019, 11:46 PM
Like I said before...a tariff on all the monies sent back to Mexico would MORE that cover the wall.
That way the Mexicans will pay for it...it's what the left wants!!
That way the Mexicans will pay for it...it's what the left wants!!
- themystic
- 02-14-2019, 12:11 AM
Why don't we take the money from El Chapo and use it for healthcare since Trump couldn't get that accomplished either. You wanted a wall. I wanted Healthcare.
- bb1961
- 02-14-2019, 12:20 AM
Why don't we take the money from El Chapo and use it for healthcare since Trump couldn't get that accomplished either. You wanted a wall. I wanted Healthcare. Originally Posted by themysticYou want FREE healthcare like the rest of the socialists...
You're FUNNY TM...14 billion for health care...how long do you think that would last??
The Gumment SHOULDN'T BE INVOLVED IN HEALTHCARE...you being a Capitalist and all!!
- themystic
- 02-14-2019, 01:23 AM
You want FREE healthcare like the rest of the socialists...Just admit it bb. Trump lied to you and conned you. There aint gonna be a "sea to shining sea wall". You've been duped by the man who destroys everything he touches
You're FUNNY TM...14 billion for health care...how long do you think that would last??
The Gumment SHOULDN'T BE INVOLVED IN HEALTHCARE...you being a Capitalist and all!! Originally Posted by bb1961
- bb1961
- 02-14-2019, 01:37 AM
Just admit it bb. Trump lied to you and conned you. There aint gonna be a "sea to shining sea wall". You've been duped by the man who destroys everything he touches Originally Posted by themysticYou quoted my post and didn't address ANY of the substance in it...free healthcare...from a self proclaimed...Capitalist
- themystic
- 02-14-2019, 01:46 AM
You quoted my post and didn't address ANY of the substance in it...free healthcare...from a self proclaimed...CapitalistEmployers should make affordable healthcare available to EVERYONE. A fair share should be payed by everyone. Those who cant seem to make it in society, we should have healthcare available to them. In a way that's already happening but there are to many businesses that are beating the system
- bb1961
- 02-14-2019, 01:57 AM
Employers should make affordable healthcare available to EVERYONE. A fair share should be payed by everyone. Those who cant seem to make it in society, we should have healthcare available to them. In a way that's already happening but there are to many businesses that are beating the system Originally Posted by themysticJust like Obummers UNaca!!
I guess you believe the rich got that way by stealing it from the poor!!
- friendly fred
- 02-14-2019, 06:10 AM
Employers should make affordable healthcare available to EVERYONE. A fair share should be payed by everyone. Those who cant seem to make it in society, we should have healthcare available to them. In a way that's already happening but there are to many businesses that are beating the system Originally Posted by themysticOne way businesses beat the system is by misclassifying employees as contractors.
Bastards who do that should be ashamed of themselves.
Of course, no one is actually denied critical care based upon ability to pay.
We should also consider a fat tax because the morbidly obese are big users of healthcare services, not to mention responsible for disgusting super size junk food meals at fast food places that make me want to vomit when I see them stuffing their fat fucking faces.
- Neville’s Haze
- 02-14-2019, 06:30 AM
Fucking brilliant Texan, let’s use money to build a wall, and cite a guy who is famous for tunneling. Duh Ted Cruz you’re a fucking idiot! Unless you can build a wall far enough underground to never go under, Fuck Off!
- rexdutchman
- 02-14-2019, 07:23 AM
Of course, no one is actually denied critical care based upon ability to pay, and the wall would stop 50% at min
from crossing just saying
from crossing just saying
- oeb11
- 02-14-2019, 07:27 AM
El Chapo escaped two prisons in Mexico, but no one’s ever busted out of ‘the ADX’
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...YzX?li=BBnb7Kz
There’s a supermax prison in Florence, Colo., two hours outside Denver. It’s the highest-security penitentiary in the United States. Since opening in 1994, no prisoner has escaped from the Administrative Maximum Facility — known as “the ADX" — one reason former members of federal law enforcement expect the Sinaloa cartel drug lord Joaquín “El Chapo” Guzmán will spend the rest of his life there.
“For him to escape, he would have to have a warden in his pocket,” said a retired federal corrections officer, who spoke to The Washington Post on the condition of anonymity. “It’s a very controlled environment. No one moves there without permission at all. No two inmates move in the facility at the same time.”
The retired officer, who was assigned to ADX, described the entire penitentiary as a singular special housing unit. The special housing unit (or “the SHU”) is solitary confinement. Prison officials at ADX did not respond to a request for comment.
Guzmán would be in rare company at the ADX, joining 400 male inmates and a roster of infamous convicted felons: Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber; Terry Nichols, co-conspirator in the Oklahoma City bombing; Robert Hanssen, the traitorous double agent; and Zacarias Moussaoui, al-Qaeda operative and 9/11 conspirator.
Duncan Levin, a former federal prosecutor, described the penitentiary as a secure housing unit for “the most dangerous and notorious criminals in the world.”
For many ADX visitors, the most memorable part of the penitentiary is the eerie silence that encases the hallways.
“I don’t think I saw another inmate while I was there,” former federal prosecutor Allan Kaiser said of visiting his client, Sal Magluta, who was convicted of leading a massive drug organization in South Florida and sentenced to 200 years. “It was immaculately spartan: The floors just shined, the walls were clean, the hallways were empty. There was no one around, no sounds.”
Photo gallery by Business Insider
ADX inmates are locked in small cubicles the size of a bathroom for 23 hours per day, according to Deborah Golden, staff attorney at the Human Rights Defense Center, who has visited the ADX several times. Each austere cell is adorned with a bed (a concrete slab covered with a thin foam mattress) and a three-in-one “combo toilet, sink and drinking water unit.” Some inmates may luck out with a single slit in the door that shows a sliver of the hallway.
There are two types of prisoners serving time at the ADX, Golden explained: The vast majority of inmates were transferred to the ADX for disciplinary or management reasons. A smaller number were sent there directly based on their conviction or previous history.
Golden said that Guzmán (who escaped from two maximum-security Mexican prisons — in 2001 with the assistance of prison guards and in 2015 through a tunnel underneath the shower in his jail cell) would be a “direct commit.”
According to Golden, the administrative super-maximum program offers a completely different, more isolated approach. With 400 inmates, the ADX also has the highest prisoner-to-guard ratio, allowing increased and personalized attention per inmate.
In the late 1980s and early 1990s, the country became increasingly concerned about violent crime. The stereotypical “superpredator” loomed large in the public mind — conscienceless criminals who lacked empathy and were so reckless they impulsively killed, robbed and raped. The tough-on-crime stance that evolved under President Bill Clinton’s administration came and went, yet many of its policies and programs, including the administrative super-maximum security prisons, are still enforced.
In a 2017 news conference, the U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of New York, Robert Capers, said the U.S. government assured Mexico it would not seek the death penalty if Guzmán were extradited, standard procedure for U.S.-Mexico extraditions, according to law enforcement.
Having been convicted Tuesday of running a drug trafficking enterprise, Guzmán faces multiple life sentences; he will be sentenced in federal court June 25.
“I expect the Bureau of Prisons would be concerned about El Chapo’s communication access; his phone calls, email access and letters are likely to be more closely monitored than the average prison there for federal drug possession,” Golden said, adding that the bureau should account for other factors, such as medical needs, security and communication needs, housing availability, and space.
When you go inside most prisons — even high-security prisons — they’re busy. People are walking around. But not at the ADX.
“The segregation is intense; it’s a punitive environment as harsh as any place on earth,” Levin said. “It won’t be a coincidence if El Chapo is sent there.”
Guzman will never be out to commit his crimes again. He will not escape Florence!!!!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...YzX?li=BBnb7Kz
There’s a supermax prison in Florence, Colo., two hours outside Denver. It’s the highest-security penitentiary in the United States. Since opening in 1994, no prisoner has escaped from the Administrative Maximum Facility — known as “the ADX" — one reason former members of federal law enforcement expect the Sinaloa cartel drug lord Joaquín “El Chapo” Guzmán will spend the rest of his life there.
“For him to escape, he would have to have a warden in his pocket,” said a retired federal corrections officer, who spoke to The Washington Post on the condition of anonymity. “It’s a very controlled environment. No one moves there without permission at all. No two inmates move in the facility at the same time.”
The retired officer, who was assigned to ADX, described the entire penitentiary as a singular special housing unit. The special housing unit (or “the SHU”) is solitary confinement. Prison officials at ADX did not respond to a request for comment.
Guzmán would be in rare company at the ADX, joining 400 male inmates and a roster of infamous convicted felons: Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber; Terry Nichols, co-conspirator in the Oklahoma City bombing; Robert Hanssen, the traitorous double agent; and Zacarias Moussaoui, al-Qaeda operative and 9/11 conspirator.
Duncan Levin, a former federal prosecutor, described the penitentiary as a secure housing unit for “the most dangerous and notorious criminals in the world.”
For many ADX visitors, the most memorable part of the penitentiary is the eerie silence that encases the hallways.
“I don’t think I saw another inmate while I was there,” former federal prosecutor Allan Kaiser said of visiting his client, Sal Magluta, who was convicted of leading a massive drug organization in South Florida and sentenced to 200 years. “It was immaculately spartan: The floors just shined, the walls were clean, the hallways were empty. There was no one around, no sounds.”
Photo gallery by Business Insider
ADX inmates are locked in small cubicles the size of a bathroom for 23 hours per day, according to Deborah Golden, staff attorney at the Human Rights Defense Center, who has visited the ADX several times. Each austere cell is adorned with a bed (a concrete slab covered with a thin foam mattress) and a three-in-one “combo toilet, sink and drinking water unit.” Some inmates may luck out with a single slit in the door that shows a sliver of the hallway.
There are two types of prisoners serving time at the ADX, Golden explained: The vast majority of inmates were transferred to the ADX for disciplinary or management reasons. A smaller number were sent there directly based on their conviction or previous history.
Golden said that Guzmán (who escaped from two maximum-security Mexican prisons — in 2001 with the assistance of prison guards and in 2015 through a tunnel underneath the shower in his jail cell) would be a “direct commit.”
According to Golden, the administrative super-maximum program offers a completely different, more isolated approach. With 400 inmates, the ADX also has the highest prisoner-to-guard ratio, allowing increased and personalized attention per inmate.
In the late 1980s and early 1990s, the country became increasingly concerned about violent crime. The stereotypical “superpredator” loomed large in the public mind — conscienceless criminals who lacked empathy and were so reckless they impulsively killed, robbed and raped. The tough-on-crime stance that evolved under President Bill Clinton’s administration came and went, yet many of its policies and programs, including the administrative super-maximum security prisons, are still enforced.
In a 2017 news conference, the U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of New York, Robert Capers, said the U.S. government assured Mexico it would not seek the death penalty if Guzmán were extradited, standard procedure for U.S.-Mexico extraditions, according to law enforcement.
Having been convicted Tuesday of running a drug trafficking enterprise, Guzmán faces multiple life sentences; he will be sentenced in federal court June 25.
“I expect the Bureau of Prisons would be concerned about El Chapo’s communication access; his phone calls, email access and letters are likely to be more closely monitored than the average prison there for federal drug possession,” Golden said, adding that the bureau should account for other factors, such as medical needs, security and communication needs, housing availability, and space.
When you go inside most prisons — even high-security prisons — they’re busy. People are walking around. But not at the ADX.
“The segregation is intense; it’s a punitive environment as harsh as any place on earth,” Levin said. “It won’t be a coincidence if El Chapo is sent there.”
Guzman will never be out to commit his crimes again. He will not escape Florence!!!!
- Yssup Rider
- 02-14-2019, 08:45 AM
You want FREE healthcare like the rest of the socialists...You want a free wall? That’s pretty goddamned socialist, too, bb1961. Actually, it’s more totalitarian. As much as you stamp your feet and hold your breath over your misinformed views, your post indicate your ideology are the very things you revile the most.
You're FUNNY TM...14 billion for health care...how long do you think that would last??
The Gumment SHOULDN'T BE INVOLVED IN HEALTHCARE...you being a Capitalist and all!! Originally Posted by bb1961
Here we go, another day in Adult Day Care.
Apparently, you want free adult day care too, bb1961.
- Yssup Rider
- 02-14-2019, 08:54 AM
Fucking brilliant Texan, let’s use money to build a wall, and cite a guy who is famous for tunneling. Duh Ted Cruz you’re a fucking idiot! Unless you can build a wall far enough underground to never go under, Fuck Off! Originally Posted by Neville’s HazeAmen!
Trump’s precious “base” has been so decimated by desertion that - for the most part - what remains is hysterical zealots.
While I have theories about why, all that matters is that with each passing day, Trump’s base more resembles a confused frustrated mob than a movement. That’s is what it was during the birther days.