Trump appears on Gutfeld Harris goes on Oprah

let's compare

Oprah gets more ratings than Guttfield and Cyrus of The "The Five". If Harris went on MSNBC, then you would have something.

Which was more watched? Which got a wider audience? Thats really all that matters. Neither were in a hostile environment and would say anything or be challenged. This was simply about exposure.

So those were unpaid political ads?