Yep. It's working. Oh, let me guess....all lies, right?
WASHINGTON — President Obama's healthcare law, despite a rocky rollout and determined opposition from critics, already has spurred the largest expansion in health coverage in America in half a century, nationalsurveysand enrollment data show.
As the law's initial enrollment period closes, at least 9.5 million previously uninsured people have gained coverage. Some have done so through marketplaces created by the law, some through other private insurance and others through Medicaid, which has expanded under the law in about half the states.
The tally draws from a review of state and federal enrollment reports, surveys and interviews with insurance executives and government officials nationwide.
The Affordable Care Act still faces major challenges, particularly the risk of premium hikes next year that could drive away newly insured customers. But the increased coverage so far amounts to substantial progress toward one of the law's principal goals and is the most significant expansion since the creation of Medicare and Medicaid in 1965.
The millions of newly insured also create a politically important constituency that may complicate any future Republican repeal efforts.
Precise figures on national health coverage will not be available for months. But available data indicate:
• At least 6 million people have signed up for health coverage on the new marketplaces, about one-third of whom were previously uninsured.
• A February survey by consulting firm McKinsey & Co. found 27% of new enrollees were previously uninsured, but newer survey data from the nonprofit Rand Corp. and reports from marketplace officials in several states suggest that share increased in March.
• At least 4.5 million previously uninsured adults have signed up for state Medicaid programs, according to Rand's unpublished survey data, which were shared with The Times. That tracks with estimates from Avalere Health, a consulting firm that is closely following the law's implementation.
• An additional 3 million young adults have gained coverage in recent years through a provision of the law that enables dependent children to remain on their parents' health plans until they turn 26, according to national health insurance surveys from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
• About 9 million people have bought health plans directly from insurers, instead of using the marketplaces, Rand found. The vast majority of these people were previously insured.
• Fewer than a million people who had health plans in 2013 are now uninsured because their plans were canceled for not meeting new standards set by the law, the Rand survey indicates.
Republican critics of the law have suggested that the cancellations last fall have led to a net reduction in coverage.
That is not supported by survey data or insurance companies, many of which report they have retained the vast majority of their 2013 customers by renewing old policies, which is permitted in about half the states, or by moving customers to new plans.
"We are talking about a very small fraction of the country" who lost coverage, said Katherine Carman, a Rand economist who is overseeing the survey.
Rand has been polling 3,300 Americans monthly about their insurance choices since last fall. Researchers found that the share of adults ages 18 to 64 without health insurance has declined from 20.9% last fall to 16.6% as of March 22.
The decrease parallels a similar drop recorded by Gallup, which found in its national polling that the uninsured rate among adults had declined from 18% in the final quarter of last year to 15.9% through the first two months of 2014. Gallup's overall uninsured rate is lower than Rand's because it includes seniors on Medicare.
Gallup Editor in Chief Frank Newport said that March polling, which has not been released yet, indicates the uninsured rate has declined further.
"While it is important to be cautious, the logical conclusion is that the law is having an effect," he said.
Although estimates vary, about 45 million to 48 million people are believed to have been uninsured before the marketplaces opened last year.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...#axzz2xY3ysI00
Even Ross DoughBoy has conceded that the continued foam at the mouth opposition to the ACA is going to damage Republicans in the future. Too fucking stupid to get it....god bless 'em.
http://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/03/31/obamacare-lives/?_php=true&_type=blogs&module= BlogPost-ReadMore&version=Blog%20Main&a ction=Click&contentCollection= Opinion&pgtype=Blogs®ion=Bo dy&_r=0
- timpage
- 04-02-2014, 09:32 AM
- I B Hankering
- 04-02-2014, 10:04 AM
Yep. It's working. Oh, let me guess....all lies, right?The statements in the article belie your title, Little Timmy-tard.
WASHINGTON President Obama's healthcare law, despite a rocky rollout and determined opposition from critics, already has spurred the largest expansion in health coverage in America in half a century, nationalsurveysand enrollment data show.
As the law's initial enrollment period closes, at least 9.5 million previously uninsured people have gained coverage. Some have done so through marketplaces created by the law, some through other private insurance and others through Medicaid, which has expanded under the law in about half the states.
The tally draws from a review of state and federal enrollment reports, surveys and interviews with insurance executives and government officials nationwide.
The Affordable Care Act still faces major challenges, particularly the risk of premium hikes next year that could drive away newly insured customers. But the increased coverage so far amounts to substantial progress toward one of the law's principal goals and is the most significant expansion since the creation of Medicare and Medicaid in 1965.
The millions of newly insured also create a politically important constituency that may complicate any future Republican repeal efforts.
Precise figures on national health coverage will not be available for months. But available data indicate:
At least 6 million people have signed up for health coverage on the new marketplaces, about one-third of whom were previously uninsured.
A February survey by consulting firm McKinsey & Co. found 27% of new enrollees were previously uninsured, but newer survey data from the nonprofit Rand Corp. and reports from marketplace officials in several states suggest that share increased in March.
At least 4.5 million previously uninsured adults have signed up for state Medicaid programs, according to Rand's unpublished survey data, which were shared with The Times. That tracks with estimates from Avalere Health, a consulting firm that is closely following the law's implementation.
An additional 3 million young adults have gained coverage in recent years through a provision of the law that enables dependent children to remain on their parents' health plans until they turn 26, according to national health insurance surveys from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
About 9 million people have bought health plans directly from insurers, instead of using the marketplaces, Rand found. The vast majority of these people were previously insured.
Fewer than a million people who had health plans in 2013 are now uninsured because their plans were canceled for not meeting new standards set by the law, the Rand survey indicates.
Republican critics of the law have suggested that the cancellations last fall have led to a net reduction in coverage.
That is not supported by survey data or insurance companies, many of which report they have retained the vast majority of their 2013 customers by renewing old policies, which is permitted in about half the states, or by moving customers to new plans.
"We are talking about a very small fraction of the country" who lost coverage, said Katherine Carman, a Rand economist who is overseeing the survey.
Rand has been polling 3,300 Americans monthly about their insurance choices since last fall. Researchers found that the share of adults ages 18 to 64 without health insurance has declined from 20.9% last fall to 16.6% as of March 22.
The decrease parallels a similar drop recorded by Gallup, which found in its national polling that the uninsured rate among adults had declined from 18% in the final quarter of last year to 15.9% through the first two months of 2014. Gallup's overall uninsured rate is lower than Rand's because it includes seniors on Medicare.
Gallup Editor in Chief Frank Newport said that March polling, which has not been released yet, indicates the uninsured rate has declined further.
"While it is important to be cautious, the logical conclusion is that the law is having an effect," he said.
Although estimates vary, about 45 million to 48 million people are believed to have been uninsured before the marketplaces opened last year.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...#axzz2xY3ysI00
Even Ross DoughBoy has conceded that the continued foam at the mouth opposition to the ACA is going to damage Republicans in the future. Too fucking stupid to get it....god bless 'em.
http://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/03/31/obamacare-lives/?_php=true&_type=blogs&module= BlogPost-ReadMore&version=Blog%20Main&a ction=Click&contentCollection= Opinion&pgtype=Blogs®ion=Bo dy&_r=0 Originally Posted by timpage
- JD Barleycorn
- 04-02-2014, 10:20 AM
"The RAND study hasnt yet been published, but its contents were made available to Noam Levey of the Los Angeles Times. RAND also estimates that 9 million individuals have purchased health plans directly from insurers, outside of the exchanges, but that the vast majority of these people were previously insured."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapoth...sly-uninsured/
You're caught lying...badly...again.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapoth...sly-uninsured/
You're caught lying...badly...again.
- timpage
- 04-02-2014, 10:25 AM
"The RAND study hasnt yet been published, but its contents were made available to Noam Levey of the Los Angeles Times. RAND also estimates that 9 million individuals have purchased health plans directly from insurers, outside of the exchanges, but that the vast majority of these people were previously insured."And, you're caught being stupid again.....go back....read the article slowly and allow those parts of it that your chicken-nugget-sized brain missed the first time around to soak in.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapoth...sly-uninsured/
You're caught lying...badly...again. Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn
>>>> At least 6 million people have signed up for health coverage on the new marketplaces, about one-third of whom were previously uninsured.
A February survey by consulting firm McKinsey & Co. found 27% of new enrollees were previously uninsured, but newer survey data from the nonprofit Rand Corp. and reports from marketplace officials in several states suggest that share increased in March.
At least 4.5 million previously uninsured adults have signed up for state Medicaid programs, according to Rand's unpublished survey data, which were shared with The Times. That tracks with estimates from Avalere Health, a consulting firm that is closely following the law's implementation.
An additional 3 million young adults have gained coverage in recent years through a provision of the law that enables dependent children to remain on their parents' health plans until they turn 26, according to national health insurance surveys from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
- JD Barleycorn
- 04-02-2014, 11:02 AM
LMAO...I think you'd had better go back and read slowly. Maybe everyone should go and read the article;
Op/Ed 3/27/2014 @ 3:12PM 10,312 views
White House Announces 6 Million Obamacare 'Sign-Ups,' But Number of Uninsured Enrollees Remains A Mystery
Avik Roy, Forbes Staff
4 comments, 3 called-out
Comment Now Follow Comments
Earlier today, Marilyn Tavenner of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services announced that “more than 6 million Americans have signed up for coverage through the Health Insurance Marketplaces since October 1, thanks to the Affordable Care Act.” Given all of the technical problems that dogged healthcare.gov last October, this is an impressive turnaround. But it sheds little light onto the two questions most analysts are focused on. First, how many of those signing up have paid their first month’s premium, thereby activating coverage? And second: How many of those with coverage were previously uninsured? At this point, we have no definitive answers.
There won’t be an Obamacare death spiral
The Obama administration’s original goal was to enroll 7 million people by the end of the open enrollment period on March 31. But contrary to the commentary of some, reaching 7 million was never critical to the stability of the Obamacare exchanges. What matters more is that the mix of people signing up for coverage was sufficiently broad so as to prevent a catastrophic increase in exchange premiums next year.
The information we have thus far is that there won’t be a death spiral. The mix of signer-uppers is indeed older and sicker than the White House originally promised. But there are enough healthy people who benefit from Obamacare’s subsidy scheme that it won’t be a complete disaster on this front.
More worrisome is the fact that we’re getting indications for insurance companies that premiums in 2015 will be significantly higher than those in 2014. Executives from Aetna and WellPoint have openly predicted that most carriers will raise rates by “double digits.” Some anonymous insurers have predicted that rates could double or even triple in extreme cases.
It’s this issue that will be the ultimate test of whether or not the “Affordable Care Act” lives up to its billing. Does the law make health insurance more affordable? Or does it make insurance more costly, papering over those higher costs by shoveling more and more taxpayer subsidies to some low-income enrollees?
Sign-ups ≠ enrollment ≠ impact on uninsured
One thing that’s important to clear up. A number of journalists are running around equating the White House’s 6 million figure with 6 million enrollments. If you read these pages regularly, you know this, but to reiterate: just because someone has signed up for coverage doesn’t mean someone has coverage. In order to be formally enrolled in coverage, you have to pay the first month’s premium.
Most insurers predict that around 20 percent of signer-uppers will fail to pay; that percentage appears to be substantially higher for people who were previously uninsured. For example, a McKinsey survey found that among those who were previously insured, 86 percent paid their first month’s premium; among those who were previously uninsured, only 53 percent had.
If we assume that 80 percent of the 6 million will ultimately pay up, that’s 4.8 million enrollees. And we don’t know what percentage of those enrollees were previously uninsured. After all, the core goal of Obamacare is to increase the number of Americans with health insurance. Thus far, surveys indicate that the vast majority of enrollees were previously insured.
If we assume, beyond the available evidence, that as many as half of Obamacare exchange enrollees were previously uninsured, we end up with 2.4 million uninsured exchange enrollees. The Congressional Budget Office’s original prediction was that more than 6 million previously uninsured people would sign up for exchange-based coverage in the first year.
Failing to succeed, and failing to fail
That means true exchange-based enrollment among the uninsured will fall well short of the White House’s original first-year goals. But that doesn’t mean that the law will ultimately fail to reach its long-term benchmarks. For that, we go back to our earlier point: if the Affordable Care Act makes the underlying cost of health coverage less affordable, it will over the long-term make it more difficult for the middle class to maintain health coverage.
This is the opportunity for Republicans, should they choose to accept it: to spend less time talking about what they’re against, and more time talking about the fundamental problem with American health care. That problem is that American health care is too expensive. Obamacare does nothing serious to address this problem—indeed, the law makes it worse.
Thus far, we’ve seen precious little from the GOP on this front. And that’s why, for all of Obamacare’s problems, polls routinely show that Americans still trust Democrats more than they trust Republicans on health care policy. Whatever happens in 2014, that should be a red flag for conservative triumphalists.
Read the whole thing and think about what it says and doesn't say.
Op/Ed 3/27/2014 @ 3:12PM 10,312 views
White House Announces 6 Million Obamacare 'Sign-Ups,' But Number of Uninsured Enrollees Remains A Mystery
Avik Roy, Forbes Staff 4 comments, 3 called-out
Comment Now Follow Comments
Earlier today, Marilyn Tavenner of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services announced that “more than 6 million Americans have signed up for coverage through the Health Insurance Marketplaces since October 1, thanks to the Affordable Care Act.” Given all of the technical problems that dogged healthcare.gov last October, this is an impressive turnaround. But it sheds little light onto the two questions most analysts are focused on. First, how many of those signing up have paid their first month’s premium, thereby activating coverage? And second: How many of those with coverage were previously uninsured? At this point, we have no definitive answers.
There won’t be an Obamacare death spiral
The Obama administration’s original goal was to enroll 7 million people by the end of the open enrollment period on March 31. But contrary to the commentary of some, reaching 7 million was never critical to the stability of the Obamacare exchanges. What matters more is that the mix of people signing up for coverage was sufficiently broad so as to prevent a catastrophic increase in exchange premiums next year.
The information we have thus far is that there won’t be a death spiral. The mix of signer-uppers is indeed older and sicker than the White House originally promised. But there are enough healthy people who benefit from Obamacare’s subsidy scheme that it won’t be a complete disaster on this front.
More worrisome is the fact that we’re getting indications for insurance companies that premiums in 2015 will be significantly higher than those in 2014. Executives from Aetna and WellPoint have openly predicted that most carriers will raise rates by “double digits.” Some anonymous insurers have predicted that rates could double or even triple in extreme cases.
It’s this issue that will be the ultimate test of whether or not the “Affordable Care Act” lives up to its billing. Does the law make health insurance more affordable? Or does it make insurance more costly, papering over those higher costs by shoveling more and more taxpayer subsidies to some low-income enrollees?
Sign-ups ≠ enrollment ≠ impact on uninsured
One thing that’s important to clear up. A number of journalists are running around equating the White House’s 6 million figure with 6 million enrollments. If you read these pages regularly, you know this, but to reiterate: just because someone has signed up for coverage doesn’t mean someone has coverage. In order to be formally enrolled in coverage, you have to pay the first month’s premium.
Most insurers predict that around 20 percent of signer-uppers will fail to pay; that percentage appears to be substantially higher for people who were previously uninsured. For example, a McKinsey survey found that among those who were previously insured, 86 percent paid their first month’s premium; among those who were previously uninsured, only 53 percent had.
If we assume that 80 percent of the 6 million will ultimately pay up, that’s 4.8 million enrollees. And we don’t know what percentage of those enrollees were previously uninsured. After all, the core goal of Obamacare is to increase the number of Americans with health insurance. Thus far, surveys indicate that the vast majority of enrollees were previously insured.
If we assume, beyond the available evidence, that as many as half of Obamacare exchange enrollees were previously uninsured, we end up with 2.4 million uninsured exchange enrollees. The Congressional Budget Office’s original prediction was that more than 6 million previously uninsured people would sign up for exchange-based coverage in the first year.
Failing to succeed, and failing to fail
That means true exchange-based enrollment among the uninsured will fall well short of the White House’s original first-year goals. But that doesn’t mean that the law will ultimately fail to reach its long-term benchmarks. For that, we go back to our earlier point: if the Affordable Care Act makes the underlying cost of health coverage less affordable, it will over the long-term make it more difficult for the middle class to maintain health coverage.
This is the opportunity for Republicans, should they choose to accept it: to spend less time talking about what they’re against, and more time talking about the fundamental problem with American health care. That problem is that American health care is too expensive. Obamacare does nothing serious to address this problem—indeed, the law makes it worse.
Thus far, we’ve seen precious little from the GOP on this front. And that’s why, for all of Obamacare’s problems, polls routinely show that Americans still trust Democrats more than they trust Republicans on health care policy. Whatever happens in 2014, that should be a red flag for conservative triumphalists.
Read the whole thing and think about what it says and doesn't say.
- I B Hankering
- 04-02-2014, 11:30 AM
"[B]uried in the 7.1 million enrollments Odumbo announced in a heavily staged appearance is a more unsettling reality.
"Numbers from a RAND Corporation study that has been kept under wraps suggest that barely 858,000 previously uninsured Americans nowhere near 7.1 million have paid for new policies and joined the ranks of the insured by Monday night."
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2xkN8WCLP
"Numbers from a RAND Corporation study that has been kept under wraps suggest that barely 858,000 previously uninsured Americans nowhere near 7.1 million have paid for new policies and joined the ranks of the insured by Monday night."
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2xkN8WCLP
- CJ7
- 04-02-2014, 11:39 AM
just for all you right wing anti American sob's ...
if the numbers aren't valid and the admin MADE THEM UP (snick) you don't have anything to worry about... ACA will wither and die
if the numbers are good, the program lives on and you're ALL lying sacks of shit
right now, you're all TRENDING sacks of shit
if the numbers aren't valid and the admin MADE THEM UP (snick) you don't have anything to worry about... ACA will wither and die
if the numbers are good, the program lives on and you're ALL lying sacks of shit
right now, you're all TRENDING sacks of shit
- I B Hankering
- 04-02-2014, 11:44 AM
just for all you right wing anti American sob's ...Everything the Odumbo administration says is a lie, so you're a liar, CBJ7.
if the numbers aren't valid and the admin MADE THEM UP (snick) you don't have anything to worry about... ACA will wither and die
if the numbers are good, the program lives on and you're ALL lying sacks of shit
right now, you're all TRENDING sacks of shit Originally Posted by CJ7
- timpage
- 04-02-2014, 12:39 PM
just for all you right wing anti American sob's ...Note that the Admiral is now posting up articles that definitively state there will be no "death spiral." Makes me want to go back and dig up his "the death spiral begins" posts. So...the squawking moves on to "We don't know how many people paid, we don't know how many people paid".....after this shit is put to bed, there will be something else.
if the numbers aren't valid and the admin MADE THEM UP (snick) you don't have anything to worry about... ACA will wither and die
if the numbers are good, the program lives on and you're ALL lying sacks of shit
right now, you're all TRENDING sacks of shit Originally Posted by CJ7
- Jackie S
- 04-02-2014, 12:45 PM
I suspect when it is all said and done, we will have the same number of "uninsured" as we did befor all of this ACA crap started.
Ask the Hooker that was sucking your dick last night if she has signed up for Obama Care.
Or the fellows down at that tattoo shop that is the front for a car stripping operation.
Or the local Motorcycle Gang at the local bar.
Or any of the laborers at any large construction sight.
There is still a size able chunk of the population that lives out on the fringe, sort of in the underground economy. I doubt most even know what "The ACA" even is.
Ask the Hooker that was sucking your dick last night if she has signed up for Obama Care.
Or the fellows down at that tattoo shop that is the front for a car stripping operation.
Or the local Motorcycle Gang at the local bar.
Or any of the laborers at any large construction sight.
There is still a size able chunk of the population that lives out on the fringe, sort of in the underground economy. I doubt most even know what "The ACA" even is.
- timpage
- 04-02-2014, 12:53 PM
I suspect when it is all said and done, we will have the same number of "uninsured" as we did befor all of this ACA crap started.I'd rather ask poor working-class Americans with children. You can talk to the hookers and gang members. As for construction workers, they're all ineligible due to immigration laws.
Ask the Hooker that was sucking your dick last night if she has signed up for Obama Care.
Or the fellows down at that tattoo shop that is the front for a car stripping operation.
Or the local Motorcycle Gang at the local bar.
Or any of the laborers at any large construction sight.
There is still a size able chunk of the population that lives out on the fringe, sort of in the underground economy. I doubt most even know what "The ACA" even is. Originally Posted by Jackie S
- CJ7
- 04-02-2014, 01:01 PM
according to JDIdiot ACA is signing up illegal aliens to boost the #'s ...
and in the next breath JDIdiot is saying the numbers are LIES ....
at any rate, it'll be more than interesting to watch the attempt to repeal ACA from Boehner and his cartel ... they may talk a strong talk, but when it boils down to taking healthcare away from 10 million people I have a feeling the GOP will run out of balls, and VOTERS
and in the next breath JDIdiot is saying the numbers are LIES ....
at any rate, it'll be more than interesting to watch the attempt to repeal ACA from Boehner and his cartel ... they may talk a strong talk, but when it boils down to taking healthcare away from 10 million people I have a feeling the GOP will run out of balls, and VOTERS
- timpage
- 04-02-2014, 04:28 PM
according to JDIdiot ACA is signing up illegal aliens to boost the #'s ...Boehner knows the score and isn't going anywhere near it except to pay it lip service to keep the whackjobs like Whirly and the Admiral happy and chasing their own tails. In other words, the republicans who lack a functioning brain stem.
and in the next breath JDIdiot is saying the numbers are LIES ....
at any rate, it'll be more than interesting to watch the attempt to repeal ACA from Boehner and his cartel ... they may talk a strong talk, but when it boils down to taking healthcare away from 10 million people I have a feeling the GOP will run out of balls, and VOTERS Originally Posted by CJ7
- IIFFOFRDB
- 04-02-2014, 08:05 PM
Boehner knows the score and isn't going anywhere near it except to pay it lip service to keep the whackjobs like Whirly and the Admiral happy and chasing their own tails. In other words, the republicans who lack a functioning brain stem. Originally Posted by timpageSo what is the # tomorrow? timmy... 12M?... LOL
- CuteOldGuy
- 04-03-2014, 12:32 AM
I'd rather ask poor working-class Americans with children. You can talk to the hookers and gang members. As for construction workers, they're all ineligible due to immigration laws. Originally Posted by timpageHow many previously uninsured poor, working class Americans with children are now insured due to the ACA, Timmy?