I ask, why not enforce existing laws? You are telling me we need new laws?
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No guarantee Biden will enforce them
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Exactly , 4,999 illegal misfits can come in daily and all is fine. The bill says 5000 will get the border completely closed. Does anyone actually believe Biden will do it, he doesn’t enforce current laws , what makes it mandatory for him to implement this one? Absolutely nothing. We also do not know what’s included to hamstring the next President regardless of who he/she may be. The bill is hogwash and must be filed accordingly. Originally Posted by oilfieldaceTru dat OFA, Tru dat.
Come on leftie cheerleader's tell us how good this deal isLet me preface this by stating I am not a lefty cheerleader.Originally Posted by FRESHNFRUITY
Welcome freshnfruity. Seems like youve jumped in like a "seasoned member". 49 posts in 24 hours is a pretty good rate sir. I don't know many newbie's with that level of activity...but I know a few prior members who did.It’s not being considered because it’s only a border bill in name, that does nothing to stop illegal immigration. Making illegal immigrants not illegal doesn’t actually solve the problem. The only reason for it, besides allowing unfettered entrance to the US, is to deflect the Biden administration’s culpability for the current invasion. It’s not going to work. Most Americans don’t subscribe to the “ignore the evidence of your eyes and ears” directive, yet.
Whos holding the border hostage is that orange guy who doesn't want any permanent change to the border - at least not unless he was the one in office. The deal that is on the table is a good one for Republicans...and so so for Dems.
Why do you think it's not being considered Honestly. Originally Posted by eyecu2
What i’m seeing from several posters here in this thread is that they don’t like putting Ukraine and Israel foreign aid into this immigration bill. The second thing i’m seeing is the belief that the border problem can be solved with the existing laws and funding we already have in place.Trump slowed it to a crawl with executive orders.
Well defense spending on Ukraine and Israel is what the conservatives are trading to get concessions on immigration reform. In my opinion there are quite a number of republican congressmen and senators who want to fund Ukraine and Israel but don’t want to buck their leadership. They are using this bill to get both immigration reform and foreign aid.
Secondly the idea that existing laws can limit the influx of illegal immigration is ludicrous. Our immigration laws haven’t changed in forty years. The situation has been steadily getting worse and the only way to get any kind of control back is to update our existing laws to allow border patrol to keep up with the influx of new immigrants.
As far as the charge of ignoring evidence goes, it seems to me that there are a large number of people who only believe what they hear from trump social, fox news and talk radio. Regardless of what the truth actually is. Originally Posted by txdot-guy
Trump slowed it to a crawl with executive orders.How do I know that existing laws don’t work? I use simple logic. Don’t you think that if the laws were working that we wouldn’t have a problem. The border patrol would capture illegal immigrants, they would be quickly processed, their asylum claims would be adjudicated and then they would be deported but that’s not happening.
Please explain when was the last time any existing immigration law was enforced? None have, so how do you know they won’t work?
Is that your opinion or fact? Originally Posted by oilfieldace
The righties seem to forget that the whole foreign/border funding was the GOPs idea. When Biden asked for funding for Ukraine and Israel the GOP placed border riders on the bill.
Don't now complain they've been stuck together. Originally Posted by 1blackman1
How do I know that existing laws don’t work? I use simple logic. Don’t you think that if the laws were working that we wouldn’t have a problem. The border patrol would capture illegal immigrants, they would be quickly processed, their asylum claims would be adjudicated and then they would be deported but that’s not happening.The laws are not being utilized, your logic is flawed. You view Biden through rose colored glasses. You ignore or refuse to give Trump the credit that is well deserved, no wonder we keep electing brain dead liberals, they have their followers brain washed.
To believe that the border patrol is simply ignoring the laws or that they have been told to ignore the laws is simply wrong. If that was the case then the state of texas would have brought some kind of lawsuit to make them follow the law. Why hasn’t that happened? Instead they just impeach DHS Secretary Mayorkas because they know any other kind of lawsuit would be laughed out of court.
I try to use logic and Occam's razor when making decisions and forming opinions. What’s the simplest explanation of why the border crisis hasn’t been resolved? Politicians would rather use it as a wedge issue rather than making concessions so we could actually make some headway on the issue. This time around it’s the republicans, under the direction of Trump, who are poisoning the well. Originally Posted by txdot-guy