New york...you ain't got nothing on Virginia!!

Virginia's Governor admits abortion bill allows babies to be KILLED AFTER BIRTH...https://www.redstate.com/streiff/201...ivery-underway
Keep in mind this is for women's "reproductive health"

Virginia's Governor admits abortion bill allows babies to be KILLED AFTER BIRTH...https://www.redstate.com/streiff/201...ivery-underway
Keep in mind this is for women's "reproductive health" Originally Posted by bb1961

So what have you actually done about abortion bb?. I mean other than bitch about it every other thread. Maybe since you got that Nazi Rapist in the SCOTUS they will outlaw abortions. They dont have the sack to do it

So what have you actually done about abortion bb?. I mean other than bitch about it every other thread. Maybe since you got that Nazi Rapist in the SCOTUS they will outlaw abortions. They dont have the sack to do it Originally Posted by themystic

What does this have to do with infanticide??
Direct your comment on the post and not some bullshit fabrication in your mind.
What is your obsession with nazis...are you one of the antifa thugs...

What does this have to do with infanticide??
Direct your comment on the post and not some bullshit fabrication in your mind.
What is your obsession with nazis...are you one of the antifa thugs... Originally Posted by bb1961

Maybe you should read your OP instead of just look at the pictures.

Virginia Abortion Bill Allows Abortion While Delivery Is Underway

It say Virginia abortion. You dont know your stuff

Get back on topic bb. No one knows what your talking about 99% of the time

Virginia's Governor admits abortion bill allows babies to be KILLED AFTER BIRTH...https://www.redstate.com/streiff/201...ivery-underway
Keep in mind this is for women's "reproductive health" Originally Posted by bb1961

You know that's simply untrue. That's completely ridiculous. If you truly believe that, I'm not sure what to tell ya.

You know that's simply untrue. That's completely ridiculous. If you truly believe that, I'm not sure what to tell ya. Originally Posted by grean

Hes always posting stuff thats false. I think he is a Trump University graduate. He doesn't know his stuff. Its not paradox that his source is The Red State

Virginia's Governor admits abortion bill allows babies to be KILLED AFTER BIRTH...https://www.redstate.com/streiff/201...ivery-underway
Keep in mind this is for women's "reproductive health" Originally Posted by bb1961

This completely Untrue and Lie on the part of the OP and the article quoted


Current Virginia
Abortion law - 2018
Code Section 18.2-71 to 76.2 Statutory Definition of Illegal Abortion Failure to meet standards for legal abortion; cause or administer drug or other means to woman with intent to destroy unborn child or produce abortion or miscarriage; Partial Birth Abortion: a physician shall not knowingly perform a partial birth abortion that is not necessary to save the life of a mother. Statutory Definition of Legal Abortion First trimester, no restrictions; second trimester, in licensed hospital; third trimester, continuation of pregnancy likely to result in death, physical or mental impairment of mother Penalty for Unlawful Abortion Class 4 felony: imprisonment 2 to 10 years and/or fine to $100,000; Class 3 misdemeanor: encourage or promote performance of abortion Consent Requirements Informed, written consent of mother (if incompetent, written permission from parent or guardian must be obtained) Additional Requirements for Patients Must receive state-directed counseling and then wait 24 hours before the procedure; must undergo transvaginal ultrasound prior to the procedure (and must obtain the ultrasound at least 24 hours prior to the procedure if she lives within 100 miles of the provider).
Physician Licensing Requirements Anytime, licensed M.D.; second and third trimesters, licensed hospital; third trimester, attending M.D. and two consulting M.D.s certify medical necessity; if necessary to save mother's life, or substantial and irremediable impairment of mental or physical health of the mother. No condition applies except licensed M.D. Life support for the child must be on hand and used if necessary.


The proposed bill: sponsored by Tran, et al
§ 18.2-73. When abortion lawful during second trimester of pregnancy.
Notwithstanding any of the provisions of § 18.2-71 and in addition to the provisions of § 18.2-72, it shall be lawful for any physician licensed by the Board of Medicine to practice medicine and surgery, to terminate or attempt to terminate a human pregnancy or aid or assist in the termination of a human pregnancy by performing an abortion or causing a miscarriage on any woman during the second trimester of pregnancy and prior to the third trimester of pregnancy provided such procedure is performed in a hospital licensed by the State Department of Health or operated by the Department of Behavioral Health and Developmental Services.
§ 18.2-74. When abortion or termination of pregnancy lawful after second trimester of pregnancy.
Notwithstanding any of the provisions of § 18.2-71 and in addition to the provisions of §§ 18.2-72 and 18.2-73, it shall be lawful for any physician licensed by the Board of Medicine to practice medicine and surgery to terminate or attempt to terminate a human pregnancy or aid or assist in the termination of a human pregnancy by performing an abortion or causing a miscarriage on any woman in a stage of pregnancy subsequent to the second trimester, provided that the following conditions are met:
(a) 1. Said operation is performed in a hospital licensed by the Virginia State Department of Health or operated by the Department of Behavioral Health and Developmental Services.
(b) 2. The physician and two consulting physicians certify certifies and so enter enters in the hospital record of the woman, that in their the physician's medical opinion, based upon their the physician's best clinical judgment, the continuation of the pregnancy is likely to result in the death of the woman or substantially and irremediably impair the mental or physical health of the woman.
(c) 3. Measures for life support for the product of such abortion or miscarriage must shall be available and utilized if there is any clearly visible evidence of viability.
§ 18.2-76. Informed written consent required.
A. Before performing any abortion or inducing any miscarriage or terminating a pregnancy as provided in § 18.2-72, 18.2-73, or 18.2-74, the physician shall obtain the informed written consent of the pregnant woman. However, if the woman has been adjudicated incapacitated by any court of competent jurisdiction or if the physician knows or has good reason to believe that such woman is incapacitated as adjudicated by a court of competent jurisdiction, then only after permission is given in writing by a parent, guardian, committee, or other person standing in loco parentis to the woman, may the physician perform the abortion or otherwise terminate the pregnancy.


In summary - The change to the law of Virginia PROPOSED - eliminates the need for two consulting physicians to certify that pregnancy continuation will result in death of the woman, or impair the mental and /or physical health of the woman. This is as regards a pregnancy subsequent to the second trimester. The attending physician must comply with the law that a third trimester abortion will result in death or impair the physical an/or mental health of the mother.



It is a stretch to conceive that third trimester abortion is easier to occur , and ridiculous to attribute after delivery baby murder to be legalized by this proposed bill.


I personally have no dog in the fight - except Hysterical Lying is unacceptable. This OP post is similar to one by a different OP regarding the proposed NY law - which was also a hysterical LIE, and proven by posting the bill text.


I understand abortion opposition. One does one's cause no favors by lying hysterically through one's teeth like DPST's do.

Check your facts - it is too easy to be shown as a Liar in such situations!!!!


Now- where is the One who only knows Nazis under the Pillow???
Anything constructive to ADD???
Those who "Know their Stuff" can also search for and post Truth.

This completely Untrue and Lie on the part of the OP and the article quoted


Current Virginia
Abortion law - 2018
Code Section 18.2-71 to 76.2 Statutory Definition of Illegal Abortion Failure to meet standards for legal abortion; cause or administer drug or other means to woman with intent to destroy unborn child or produce abortion or miscarriage; Partial Birth Abortion: a physician shall not knowingly perform a partial birth abortion that is not necessary to save the life of a mother. Statutory Definition of Legal Abortion First trimester, no restrictions; second trimester, in licensed hospital; third trimester, continuation of pregnancy likely to result in death, physical or mental impairment of mother Penalty for Unlawful Abortion Class 4 felony: imprisonment 2 to 10 years and/or fine to $100,000; Class 3 misdemeanor: encourage or promote performance of abortion Consent Requirements Informed, written consent of mother (if incompetent, written permission from parent or guardian must be obtained) Additional Requirements for Patients Must receive state-directed counseling and then wait 24 hours before the procedure; must undergo transvaginal ultrasound prior to the procedure (and must obtain the ultrasound at least 24 hours prior to the procedure if she lives within 100 miles of the provider).
Physician Licensing Requirements Anytime, licensed M.D.; second and third trimesters, licensed hospital; third trimester, attending M.D. and two consulting M.D.s certify medical necessity; if necessary to save mother's life, or substantial and irremediable impairment of mental or physical health of the mother. No condition applies except licensed M.D. Life support for the child must be on hand and used if necessary.


The proposed bill: sponsored by Tran, et al
§ 18.2-73. When abortion lawful during second trimester of pregnancy.
Notwithstanding any of the provisions of § 18.2-71 and in addition to the provisions of § 18.2-72, it shall be lawful for any physician licensed by the Board of Medicine to practice medicine and surgery, to terminate or attempt to terminate a human pregnancy or aid or assist in the termination of a human pregnancy by performing an abortion or causing a miscarriage on any woman during the second trimester of pregnancy and prior to the third trimester of pregnancy provided such procedure is performed in a hospital licensed by the State Department of Health or operated by the Department of Behavioral Health and Developmental Services.
§ 18.2-74. When abortion or termination of pregnancy lawful after second trimester of pregnancy.
Notwithstanding any of the provisions of § 18.2-71 and in addition to the provisions of §§ 18.2-72 and 18.2-73, it shall be lawful for any physician licensed by the Board of Medicine to practice medicine and surgery to terminate or attempt to terminate a human pregnancy or aid or assist in the termination of a human pregnancy by performing an abortion or causing a miscarriage on any woman in a stage of pregnancy subsequent to the second trimester, provided that the following conditions are met:
(a) 1. Said operation is performed in a hospital licensed by the Virginia State Department of Health or operated by the Department of Behavioral Health and Developmental Services.
(b) 2. The physician and two consulting physicians certify certifies and so enter enters in the hospital record of the woman, that in their the physician's medical opinion, based upon their the physician's best clinical judgment, the continuation of the pregnancy is likely to result in the death of the woman or substantially and irremediably impair the mental or physical health of the woman.
(c) 3. Measures for life support for the product of such abortion or miscarriage must shall be available and utilized if there is any clearly visible evidence of viability.
§ 18.2-76. Informed written consent required.
A. Before performing any abortion or inducing any miscarriage or terminating a pregnancy as provided in § 18.2-72, 18.2-73, or 18.2-74, the physician shall obtain the informed written consent of the pregnant woman. However, if the woman has been adjudicated incapacitated by any court of competent jurisdiction or if the physician knows or has good reason to believe that such woman is incapacitated as adjudicated by a court of competent jurisdiction, then only after permission is given in writing by a parent, guardian, committee, or other person standing in loco parentis to the woman, may the physician perform the abortion or otherwise terminate the pregnancy.


In summary - The change to the law of Virginia PROPOSED - eliminates the need for two consulting physicians to certify that pregnancy continuation will result in death of the woman, or impair the mental and /or physical health of the woman. This is as regards a pregnancy subsequent to the second trimester. The attending physician must comply with the law that a third trimester abortion will result in death or impair the physical an/or mental health of the mother.



It is a stretch to conceive that third trimester abortion is easier to occur , and ridiculous to attribute after delivery baby murder to be legalized by this proposed bill.


I personally have no dog in the fight - except Hysterical Lying is unacceptable. This OP post is similar to one by a different OP regarding the proposed NY law - which was also a hysterical LIE, and proven by posting the bill text.


I understand abortion opposition. One does one's cause no favors by lying hysterically through one's teeth like DPST's do.

Check your facts - it is too easy to be shown as a Liar in such situations!!!!


Now- where is the One who only knows Nazis under the Pillow???
Anything constructive to ADD???
Those who "Know their Stuff" can also search for and post Truth. Originally Posted by oeb11

Fake news generated by the Nazi Party

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/virgini...ay-2019-01-30/

Here it is on CBS News.

One interesting note is a doctor would no longer be required to perform a 2d trimester abortion.

2d trimester is 4 months through 6 months. This is what the clump of flesh looks like at 20 weeks.

https://www.eccie.net/attachment.php...1&d=1548899655

I thought the Democrats were the party of compassion!!!

I thought the Democrats were the party of compassion!!! Originally Posted by bambino

We are. We just couldn't get to Ivana Trump in time

It’s sad alarming and disgusting

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are individual rights

It’s not the right of a doctor and a mother to decide for a baby

The mother can arrange adoption, the thoughts of the left are just selfish gibberish

And yes, this is part of a piece

When you devolve to socialism, the worth of every individual life is lessened

Socialism is based in the idea of the worth of the group, not the individual

A single individual is subsumed into the state under socialism and then again and again and again and it’s not a single anymore and has no liberty and no one person counts or has rights above the groups rights of the majority or the leadership to be sure and anyone who doesn’t properly serve the majority or the leadership is without worth

But even still, at this moment at least, the American value is the worth of a single individual, never the group

Until the dimocrat party comes alonhg

Fake news generated by the Nazi Party



Someone is following Herr Adolph's model of Lying
Perhaps a course in reading comprehension might help
DPST typical - ban guns and abort babies - obviously for abortion at delivery!
Taking lessons from itch_b

the Virginia governor says the law was for such cases where a seriously deformed baby survives the birthing process and that also includes abortion.

We are. We just couldn't get to Ivana Trump in time Originally Posted by themystic

Even if you are completely correct on this issue, you have to admit a third trimester abortion would be a soul crushing experience for the mother if she saw the child killed.