Setting Proper Expectations

I was just thinking that as hobbyist we should try to establish some services levels expectations for our providers and visa versa. Here are my questions for your comments please:

FOR HOBBYIST:

Describe what is GFE to you?

What do you think is a reasonable fee for a 30 min, non- GFE appointment?

What do you think is a reasonable fee for a 30 min, GFE appointment?

What do you think is a reasonable fee for a 60 min, GFE appointment?

Should a GFE appointment cost more?

Should there be any difference in activities for a shorter appointment vs hour appointment?

What makes you justify some of the higher per hour providers?

FOR PROVIDERS:

What makes you want to go the extra mile for a hobbyist?

What just kills the session for you?

What do YOU consider GFE?


Okay now...this is not a place for everyone to say it should be $10 a session, I'm serious. I'm seeing all kinds of pricing for services that is just not justified and I'm trying to see if there is a common ground as what is to be expected from both hobbyist and provider and what is a reasonable price for everyone.

First off I don't quite grasp the concept of non-gfe and gfe being different rates, I mean are you paying extra for a kiss?
I offer gfe sessions and pse sessions.
To gfe session is very sensual and sweet with bbbj, daty, cfs and always msog.
It's something that is not taboo and is more common between bf and gf.
Pse is less romance and getting right to it no time for chatting, touching, and kissing and a whole lot more action. Pse would do more than the average girl she will do Greek, prostate play, rimming, tuma, water sports, strap on play.
What kills the session for me is a client asking what the difference in gfe and pse during a session. He should have established what he was interested in before the session.
Some girls are all inclusive and offer all activities for one rate, I don't feel comfortable doing that because then every client would expect the Greek activities and those extras and although I really enjoy a good ass fucking I don't want every session to be that way.
That way I won't get wore out and tired of it. With the extra cost of pse activities that helps keep it at a reasonable amount .
Think about it porn stars that do hardcore fucking and taboo stuff may only work 2-3 times a month.

So Cassie is CIM GFE or PSE? Great comments, I appreciate your candor.

That is gfe, I'm not going to charge an extra 50 for that. I wouldn't consider that a big deal I just don't choose to swallow, something about the thought of swallowing at least two guys cum it puts an image of two sperms battling.

Establishment of services levels? Great in theory, near-impossible in practice. Three reasons: 1) each experience is SUBJECTIVE (creates strong positive/negative bias/skew); 2) there is no reliable way to 'measure' IoP; 3) chemistry between provider and Bob Hobby far too nebulous and unique.

Kudos for an idea that appears futile. Even if it worked, there is always the YMMV caveat, which would swallow the "established service level" whole. Or in part.

One might argue that establishment of service levels itself, is an unnecessary enterprise. Why? Because of the reviews and comments on the reviews and related thrEAds reveal most of what Bob Hobby needs to know to make a decision.

Finally, are the Twin sisters: privacy and discretion. Establishing standard service levels will not make the Twins happy.

19Trees

, something about the thought of swallowing at least two guys cum it puts an image of two sperms battling. Originally Posted by Cassie Blossom

that's funny.

I have always played the GFE/PSE issue the way CB responded. Most times I just like the surprise and don't even discuss the "menu". I can get details from reviews/showcase/posts as to what the lady will do or not do. If things click and I feel a second visit would warrant a deviation, then I'll ask questions. I'm not real picky; just happy to be there.

P411 has the functionality to list all Services a Provider offers... why not here as well in the showcases? Would make research and decisions so much easier....

P411 has the functionality to list all Services a Provider offers... why not here as well in the showcases? Would make research and decisions so much easier.... Originally Posted by fun2come

I do like the p411 function, what I need to figure out is how do I make sure a client is aware that not every thing listed is all inclusive.

http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=489239

Ran across this.......I think this is about right for the price, time, and what is offered. That's just my opinion. $$.2 to $$.5 for COF, Greek, BBBJ should be about the norm for an hour. $$$$ or $$$$$ for the same thing is robbery!

I do like the p411 function, what I need to figure out is how do I make sure a client is aware that not every thing listed is all inclusive. Originally Posted by Cassie Blossom

Here in your showcase text you could list different activities under different price tags....

I think it is important to define non GFE, GFE and PSE

Non GFE - LFK, No Greek, CBJ, No FIV, or No DATY, one pop at any length of appt.
GFE - DFK, CIM, BBBJ, COF, COB, FIV, 69, cuddling, good conversation and IOP
PSE - All of GFE plus Greek and anything else within reason

With these definitions in place (please expand them if you wish), everyone would no what service level they were being offered for the price. So if a provider has a a lot of appointments scheduled over a couple days, she could set some up as PSE, GFE and Non GFE as she gets tired. Your thoughts?

I suggest an ECCIE official definition list of acronyms!

This way a provider can advertise ECCEIE GFE etc and a lot of confusion would be avoided.

Agreed

I suggest an ECCIE official definition list of acronyms!

This way a provider can advertise ECCEIE GFE etc and a lot of confusion would be avoided. Originally Posted by Dtool

You may find this thread with plenty of acronyms explained helpful:
http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=8752

and that could be the foundation to take it to the next step, as you suggest.