From the memory hole...
http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=559821
http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=597641
http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=621367
And now this...
GEN. MCINERNEY: “WE HELPED BUILD ISIS”
Weapons from Benghazi ended up in the hands of Islamic State radicals
- SEE3772
- 09-03-2014, 09:01 PM
- IIFFOFRDB
- 09-03-2014, 09:47 PM
Talk to me SEE!
- Yssup Rider
- 09-03-2014, 10:39 PM
snick
- SEE3772
- 09-04-2014, 10:39 AM
All of the links I posted last year proves that America created, funded and trained the Mujahideen in 1979... Al Qaeda.... and now what they call ISIS or ISIL. All to destabilize the Middle East while our freedoms as Americans are being stripped. If the so called war on terror is such a threat then why are the boarder laws not enforced? Why do I and others need to be harassed at the airport? Why are police departments nation wide training with our military for domestic threats? One thing our so called leaders (left or right) have in common.... More wars, more debt, more NSA, more fear and more control.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XBbfYzx46Nw
Have a good day and enjoy the radioactive material from Japan and the dying Pacific Ocean that they never talk about!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XBbfYzx46Nw
Have a good day and enjoy the radioactive material from Japan and the dying Pacific Ocean that they never talk about!
- wellendowed1911
- 09-04-2014, 10:52 AM
All of the links I posted last year proves that America created, funded and trained the Mujahideen in 1979... Al Qaeda.... and now what they call ISIS or ISIL. All to destabilize the Middle East while our freedoms as Americans are being stripped. If the so called war on terror is such a threat then why are the boarder laws not enforced? Why do I and others need to be harassed at the airport? Why are police departments nation wide training with our military for domestic threats? One thing our so called leaders (left or right) have in common.... More wars, more debt, more fear and more control.+1000000 and it doesn't matter if it's DEM or GOP they all in the same on this issue. Take a look at Afghanistan and tell me if this makes sense:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XBbfYzx46Nw
Have a good day and enjoy the radioactive material from Japan and the dying Pacific Ocean that the TV never talks about! Originally Posted by SEE3772
1) When the Soviets invaded Afghanistan- the govt the soviets put in place was controlled by the people who are known as the Northern Alliance.
2) The U.S armed the Mujahideen who with OBL became the Taliban.
3) So in the 80's we armed and supported the "Taliban" to fight against the Soviet backed Northern Alliance- now we arm and train the Northeren Alliance to fight against the Taliban????
4) We hiss and complain how evil the Iranians are but we supported the Shah who was a brutal dictator- we looked the other way when the Shah tortured, imprisoned, or killed anyone who spoke up against the Shah's regime only because Iran was a strategic ally to spy on Russia.
5) We praised Saddam during his war against Iran- this was still the same Saddam who gassed his own people.
The U.S is just as much at fault for creating this mess.
- SEE3772
- 09-04-2014, 10:57 AM
The west installed every leader you mentioned.
Who provided those weapons to Saddam?
The west did...
Go read a book called The Grand Chessboard...
http://books.google.com/books/about/...d=9LLgNZZrud8C
Then go read Tragedy and Hope... http://books.google.com/books/about/...d=KQZxAAAAIAAJ
Joe Biden's son.
It's a good thing only if your a globalist scumbag...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-0...s-east-ukraine
The west did the same in Ukraine...
Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU
By Doina Chiacu and Arshad Mohammed
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A conversation between a State Department official and the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine that was posted on YouTube revealed an embarrassing exchange on U.S. strategy for a political transition in that country, including a crude American swipe at the European Union.
The leaked conversation appeared certain to embarrass the United States and seemed designed to bolster charges - from Russia, among others - that the Ukrainian opposition is being manipulated by Washington, which President Barack Obama's administration strenuously disputes.
U.S. accusations that Russia helped publicize the taped conversation also threatened Washington's already tense relationship with Moscow.
The audio clip, which was posted on Tuesday but gained wide circulation on Thursday, appears to show the official, Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland, weighing in on the make-up of the next Ukrainian government.
Nuland is heard telling U.S. Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt that she doesn't think Vitaly Klitschko, the boxer-turned-politician who is a main opposition leader, should be in a new government.
"So I don't think Klitsch (Klitschko) should go into the government," she said in the recording, which appeared to describe events that occurred in late January. "I don't think it's necessary. I don't think it's a good idea."
Separately on Thursday, a senior Kremlin aide accused the United States of arming Ukrainian "rebels" and warned Russia could intervene to maintain the security of its neighbor.
U.S. officials, while declining to confirm the recording's contents, did not dispute its authenticity.
"I did not say it was not authentic," State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said at a news briefing.
Psaki also criticized Russian officials' publicizing of the tape as "a new low in Russian tradecraft" and denied Washington was trying to meddle or engineer a particular outcome in Kiev.
"Absolutely not," she said. "It should be no surprise that U.S. officials talk about issues around the world. Of course we do. That's what diplomats do."
The audio clip was first posted on Twitter by Dmitry Loskutov, an aide to Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, a diplomatic source said.
US-EU TENSIONS ON UKRAINE
The floating of the audio is an ironic turnabout of sorts for the United States, which snooped on the leaders of allied nations, according to classified documents made public by former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden.
The audio posted on YouTube, along with a second one that captures a reported conversation between senior EU diplomats, reveal apparent rifts between the United States and EU over how to handle Ukraine.
In the first audio, Nuland and Pyatt are heard discussing strategies to work with the three main opposition figures: Klitschko, Arseny Yatseniuk, former Ukrainian economy minister, and Oleh Tyahnybok, the far-right nationalist opposition leader.
Nuland referred to getting the United Nations involved in a political solution in Kiev.
"So that would be great, I think, to help glue this thing and have the U.N. help glue it and you know ... fuck the EU," she said in the recording, which was accompanied by still pictures of people mentioned in the call.
Pyatt responded: "Exactly. And I think we've got to do something to make it stick together because you can be pretty sure that if it does start to gain altitude, the Russians will be working behind the scenes to try to torpedo it."
Psaki said Nuland had apologized to her EU counterparts for the reported comments.
The date of the conversation was not specified but the events it describes appeared to have taken place in the last days of January.
The second recording, purporting to be a conversation between two EU officials, was posted on the same day from the same YouTube account, which has previously carried video showing protesters in a poor light.
In it, Helga Schmid, deputy to EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton, is heard complaining about U.S. criticism that the Europeans are not supporting sanctions on Ukrainian individuals in response to violence against anti-government protests.
"It's very annoying that the Americans are going around criticizing the EU and saying we are too soft," Schmid tells Jan Tombinski, the EU ambassador to Ukraine.
A spokeswoman for Ashton said the EU would not comment on a "leaked alleged" conversation.
The simultaneous release of the recordings appeared designed to both discredit the Western powers' involvement in Ukraine and, possibly, to drive a wedge between Brussels and Washington.
'PUPPETS OF MAIDAN'
Nuland met on Thursday with Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovich to discuss a solution to anti-government protests that have swept the former Soviet republic since November. They discussed political reform and possible further negotiations between Yanukovich and opposition leaders, his website said.
Yanukovich later flew to Sochi, Russia, where the Winter Olympics are due to open on Friday evening. He was expected to meet there with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Posted anonymously, the first audio clip was headlined "Puppets of Maidan" - clearly aiming to portray opposition leaders as stooges of the U.S. diplomats, who were discussing how the opposition might take up an offer from Yanukovich to form a government.
"Maidan," the Ukrainian word for "square," serves as the name of the whole protest movement that started in Kiev's central Independence Square in November. Critics of Yanukovich have been occupying the square nonstop ever since.
There was no immediate comment from Moscow, but the recording clearly plays into Russian accusations that the West is meddling in Ukraine. Russia sees Ukraine as being within its sphere of influence and has offered the cash-strapped Kiev a $15 billion bailout to keep it in its orbit.
Protests began when Yanukovich spurned an EU trade agreement last year in pursuit of closer ties with Russia. Protesters have since taken over public buildings and staged mass rallies, sometimes clashing violently with police, in the capital Kiev and other cities.
"I think (Yatseniuk) is the guy who's got the economic experience, the governing experience. What he needs is (Klitschko) and (Tyahnybok) on the outside. He needs to be talking to them four times a week," Nuland said in the recording.
Pyatt suggested Nuland contact Klitschko personally to play to his "top dog" sensibilities.
"I think you reaching out directly to him helps with the personality management among the three and it gives you also a chance to move fast on all this stuff and put us behind it before they all sit down and he explains why he doesn't like it," he said.
(Additional reporting Steve Holland in Washington, Gabriela Baczynska and Alistair Macdonald in Ukraine; Writing by Doina Chiacu; Editing by Warren Strobel, Cynthia Osterman and Ken Wills)
Who provided those weapons to Saddam?
The west did...
Go read a book called The Grand Chessboard...
http://books.google.com/books/about/...d=9LLgNZZrud8C
Then go read Tragedy and Hope... http://books.google.com/books/about/...d=KQZxAAAAIAAJ
Joe Biden's son.
It's a good thing only if your a globalist scumbag...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-0...s-east-ukraine
The west did the same in Ukraine...
Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU
By Doina Chiacu and Arshad Mohammed
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A conversation between a State Department official and the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine that was posted on YouTube revealed an embarrassing exchange on U.S. strategy for a political transition in that country, including a crude American swipe at the European Union.
The leaked conversation appeared certain to embarrass the United States and seemed designed to bolster charges - from Russia, among others - that the Ukrainian opposition is being manipulated by Washington, which President Barack Obama's administration strenuously disputes.
U.S. accusations that Russia helped publicize the taped conversation also threatened Washington's already tense relationship with Moscow.
The audio clip, which was posted on Tuesday but gained wide circulation on Thursday, appears to show the official, Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland, weighing in on the make-up of the next Ukrainian government.
Nuland is heard telling U.S. Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt that she doesn't think Vitaly Klitschko, the boxer-turned-politician who is a main opposition leader, should be in a new government.
"So I don't think Klitsch (Klitschko) should go into the government," she said in the recording, which appeared to describe events that occurred in late January. "I don't think it's necessary. I don't think it's a good idea."
Separately on Thursday, a senior Kremlin aide accused the United States of arming Ukrainian "rebels" and warned Russia could intervene to maintain the security of its neighbor.
U.S. officials, while declining to confirm the recording's contents, did not dispute its authenticity.
"I did not say it was not authentic," State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said at a news briefing.
Psaki also criticized Russian officials' publicizing of the tape as "a new low in Russian tradecraft" and denied Washington was trying to meddle or engineer a particular outcome in Kiev.
"Absolutely not," she said. "It should be no surprise that U.S. officials talk about issues around the world. Of course we do. That's what diplomats do."
The audio clip was first posted on Twitter by Dmitry Loskutov, an aide to Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, a diplomatic source said.
US-EU TENSIONS ON UKRAINE
The floating of the audio is an ironic turnabout of sorts for the United States, which snooped on the leaders of allied nations, according to classified documents made public by former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden.
The audio posted on YouTube, along with a second one that captures a reported conversation between senior EU diplomats, reveal apparent rifts between the United States and EU over how to handle Ukraine.
In the first audio, Nuland and Pyatt are heard discussing strategies to work with the three main opposition figures: Klitschko, Arseny Yatseniuk, former Ukrainian economy minister, and Oleh Tyahnybok, the far-right nationalist opposition leader.
Nuland referred to getting the United Nations involved in a political solution in Kiev.
"So that would be great, I think, to help glue this thing and have the U.N. help glue it and you know ... fuck the EU," she said in the recording, which was accompanied by still pictures of people mentioned in the call.
Pyatt responded: "Exactly. And I think we've got to do something to make it stick together because you can be pretty sure that if it does start to gain altitude, the Russians will be working behind the scenes to try to torpedo it."
Psaki said Nuland had apologized to her EU counterparts for the reported comments.
The date of the conversation was not specified but the events it describes appeared to have taken place in the last days of January.
The second recording, purporting to be a conversation between two EU officials, was posted on the same day from the same YouTube account, which has previously carried video showing protesters in a poor light.
In it, Helga Schmid, deputy to EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton, is heard complaining about U.S. criticism that the Europeans are not supporting sanctions on Ukrainian individuals in response to violence against anti-government protests.
"It's very annoying that the Americans are going around criticizing the EU and saying we are too soft," Schmid tells Jan Tombinski, the EU ambassador to Ukraine.
A spokeswoman for Ashton said the EU would not comment on a "leaked alleged" conversation.
The simultaneous release of the recordings appeared designed to both discredit the Western powers' involvement in Ukraine and, possibly, to drive a wedge between Brussels and Washington.
'PUPPETS OF MAIDAN'
Nuland met on Thursday with Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovich to discuss a solution to anti-government protests that have swept the former Soviet republic since November. They discussed political reform and possible further negotiations between Yanukovich and opposition leaders, his website said.
Yanukovich later flew to Sochi, Russia, where the Winter Olympics are due to open on Friday evening. He was expected to meet there with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Posted anonymously, the first audio clip was headlined "Puppets of Maidan" - clearly aiming to portray opposition leaders as stooges of the U.S. diplomats, who were discussing how the opposition might take up an offer from Yanukovich to form a government.
"Maidan," the Ukrainian word for "square," serves as the name of the whole protest movement that started in Kiev's central Independence Square in November. Critics of Yanukovich have been occupying the square nonstop ever since.
There was no immediate comment from Moscow, but the recording clearly plays into Russian accusations that the West is meddling in Ukraine. Russia sees Ukraine as being within its sphere of influence and has offered the cash-strapped Kiev a $15 billion bailout to keep it in its orbit.
Protests began when Yanukovich spurned an EU trade agreement last year in pursuit of closer ties with Russia. Protesters have since taken over public buildings and staged mass rallies, sometimes clashing violently with police, in the capital Kiev and other cities.
"I think (Yatseniuk) is the guy who's got the economic experience, the governing experience. What he needs is (Klitschko) and (Tyahnybok) on the outside. He needs to be talking to them four times a week," Nuland said in the recording.
Pyatt suggested Nuland contact Klitschko personally to play to his "top dog" sensibilities.
"I think you reaching out directly to him helps with the personality management among the three and it gives you also a chance to move fast on all this stuff and put us behind it before they all sit down and he explains why he doesn't like it," he said.
(Additional reporting Steve Holland in Washington, Gabriela Baczynska and Alistair Macdonald in Ukraine; Writing by Doina Chiacu; Editing by Warren Strobel, Cynthia Osterman and Ken Wills)
- boardman
- 09-04-2014, 11:13 AM
Not exactly.
Al-Qaeda was a militant Sunni jihadist group intent on controlling Afghanistan through Sharia Law and supporting global terrorism.
ISIS or ISIL has designated itself a caliphate and Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi has claimed to be a caliph or "successor" to Mohammed which in theory would unite Sunni and Shia for the same common goal of Islamic world domination through Sharia. The designation and acceptance of a caliphate in the muslim world could be considered to be as important as the second coming of Jesus to Christians. Al-Qaeda never wanted that much power that's why they disassociated with ISIS earlier this year. ISIS was too brutal and complex.
Al-Qaeda was a militant Sunni jihadist group intent on controlling Afghanistan through Sharia Law and supporting global terrorism.
ISIS or ISIL has designated itself a caliphate and Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi has claimed to be a caliph or "successor" to Mohammed which in theory would unite Sunni and Shia for the same common goal of Islamic world domination through Sharia. The designation and acceptance of a caliphate in the muslim world could be considered to be as important as the second coming of Jesus to Christians. Al-Qaeda never wanted that much power that's why they disassociated with ISIS earlier this year. ISIS was too brutal and complex.
- WTF
- 09-04-2014, 11:46 AM
Not exactly.You think ISIS is trying to unite Sunni and Shia....how so by the Sunnies cutting off the Shia's heads?
Al-Qaeda was a militant Sunni jihadist group intent on controlling Afghanistan through Sharia Law and supporting global terrorism.
ISIS or ISIL has designated itself a caliphate and Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi has claimed to be a caliph or "successor" to Mohammed which in theory would unite Sunni and Shia for the same common goal of Islamic world domination through Sharia. Originally Posted by boardman
I've told you a 100 x , you are more likely to die of a snake bite or Global Warming than ISIS. You are proving Gobbell statement true. Tell the home front they are under attack and denounce the skeptical as traitors.
- WTF
- 09-04-2014, 11:47 AM
All of the links I posted last year proves that America created, funded and trained the Mujahideen in 1979... Al Qaeda.... and now what they call ISIS or ISIL. All to destabilize the Middle East while our freedoms as Americans are being stripped. If the so called war on terror is such a threat then why are the boarder laws not enforced? Why do I and others need to be harassed at the airport? Why are police departments nation wide training with our military for domestic threats? One thing our so called leaders (left or right) have in common.... More wars, more debt, more NSA, more fear and more control.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XBbfYzx46Nw
Have a good day and enjoy the radioactive material from Japan and the dying Pacific Ocean that they never talk about! Originally Posted by SEE3772
- TheDaliLama
- 09-04-2014, 12:39 PM
- Jack Cassidy
- 09-04-2014, 12:43 PM
- TheDaliLama
- 09-04-2014, 12:45 PM
- WTF
- 09-04-2014, 01:04 PM
That sounds familiarExactly Lama....please try and explain that to boardman. You are talking to someone who thinks both threats are overblown. I'm about as scared of ISIS as i am of polar bears dying of heat strokes. Shit is overblown. Overblown like JD and JL's homo weenies.
Reminds me of the people dumb enough to believe in Global Warming. Originally Posted by TheDaliLama
- Jack Cassidy
- 09-04-2014, 01:16 PM
Exactly Lama....please try and explain that to boardman. You are talking to someone who thinks both threats are overblown. I'm about as scared of ISIS as i am of polar bears dying of heat strokes. Shit is overblown. Overblown like JD and JL's homo weenies.You're a douche bag.
- JD Barleycorn
- 09-04-2014, 01:27 PM
and you're dead. Your wife moved on and your son is washed up. But that has nothing to do with the OP. ISIS is not Al Quaeda. Even Al Quaeda is worried about ISIS. Now we have the UAE throwing in with....who? You used to be able to say that they're throwing in with us but there is not us with Barry in the White House.