Wing Nuts Move in One Foolhardy Cluster

Why is it that Trumpers -aka as Wing Nuts- move from topic to topic or theme to theme in one ever-shrinking cluster? Now these numbskulls are claiming in one clamoring chant that the FBI is a tool of the Deep State. Soon it'll be that the FBI is in cahoots with child molesters and the CIA maintains a safe house for them. As Wing Nuts are led around by their noses by Hannity and Carlson, the weirdness and foolishness of their claims grows increasingly bizarre. The reason people are tired of politics is because people like Donald Trump abuse power and use power and fame to enrich himself. Wing Nuts think they want what's best for their country, but they so easily fall for every dopey conspiracy theory that greedy, shameless shills like Hannity and Carlson throw their way. Hey Wing Nuts, do you really believe that Antifa caused the Jan 6th riot? That's what Donald Trump said in the immediate aftermath of the riot. That was a bald-faced lie, as we now know, and we also now know that Trump knew he was lying. But Wing Nuts avoid facing this truth and instead worry about the Steele Dossier or corrupt FBS operatives. Question for you Wing Nuts: What's with the text messages deleted by the Secret Service who dealt with Donald Trump?

FBI is DEEP State, Sir Well the high on the food chain anyways

Without resorting to name calling...

The dossier was fake. The FBI knew it and still used it to get a warrant from a Federal court. The FBI lied to the court. Now we know they wanted to pay the guy that wrote it $1million to verify it but he couldn't because he knew it was all BS. So, yes, the FBI is a tool of the state. Call it political or Deep State, whatever, but they are not impartial.

Funny how days after the "proof" became known in the Durham trial, that the FBI falsified documents and admitted they had no proof demanded by the FISA court, admitted that they lied to the FISA court before they presented hearsay and did not tell the court "we can't prove any of this but we believe all of it". There would never even have been an investigation if the FBI hadn't lied and deceived the court. This is no longer "right wing media" it's what was admitted to in a court of law.


Then the partisans come out and tell you, Don't believe what you just heard EXACTLY like they criticize Trump supporters for doing. Not a bit a difference between the two.

Why is it that Trumpers -aka as Wing Nuts- move from topic to topic or theme to theme in one ever-shrinking cluster? Now these numbskulls are claiming in one clamoring chant that the FBI is a tool of the Deep State. Soon it'll be that the FBI is in cahoots with child molesters and the CIA maintains a safe house for them. As Wing Nuts are led around by their noses by Hannity and Carlson, the weirdness and foolishness of their claims grows increasingly bizarre. The reason people are tired of politics is because people like Donald Trump abuse power and use power and fame to enrich himself. Wing Nuts think they want what's best for their country, but they so easily fall for every dopey conspiracy theory that greedy, shameless shills like Hannity and Carlson throw their way. Hey Wing Nuts, do you really believe that Antifa caused the Jan 6th riot? That's what Donald Trump said in the immediate aftermath of the riot. That was a bald-faced lie, as we now know, and we also now know that Trump knew he was lying. But Wing Nuts avoid facing this truth and instead worry about the Steele Dossier or corrupt FBS operatives. Question for you Wing Nuts: What's with the text messages deleted by the Secret Service who dealt with Donald Trump? Originally Posted by Muy Largo

Interesting. So in your opinion anyone who supported Trump and voted for him are "Wing Nuts" and "numbskulls"? You do know lumping all people of certain beliefs and characteristics in a derisive manner is considered prejudice?


As I'm quite sure you know by now, I voted for Trump and supported him as president and I don't consider myself either a "Wing Nut" or "numbskull". Nor do I fit the oft used categorization "All Trump supporters are uneducated". I'm quite well educated and make a rather large Corp America salary because of it.


As for Carlson and Hannity, a lot of what they say turns out to be true. And Carlson in particular when he's proved wrong will say so. I'm watching Carlson right now as his show just started. I don't normally watch Hannity too much simply because I'm not inclined to watch hours on end of news shows.


As for Trump, he never abused his power as president, not even once. I'd like for you to cite an example. Trump did not run for president intending to use the office to enrich himself. He knew, in fact, that it would all but certainly hurt his business and decrease his net worth and it did.


Now let's discuss the Jan 6th riot. And congratulations for not referring to it as an "Insurrection". Because it wasn't. Even the deep state .. er .. FBI .. no longer contends it was an insurrection. The FBI concluded that there was no organized attempt at an insurrection. If it was, it was the most poorly planned insurrection in history. But it clearly wasn't an insurrection in the first place. It was exactly what you said it was, a riot.


Was Antifa involved? Absolutely. They were there and with one purpose, to incite a riot. It's always why they are there, to riot. They were major instigators of the "Summer of Love" riots and in fact caused most of them. Antifa claims their purpose is to combat fascism when in fact there is no fascist movement in America and Trump is certainly no fascist. There is a communist movement in this country and it's being led by the Democratic party and Antifa whose stated goal is to overthrow the current Government and replace it with a totalitarian communist state.


that .. is the text book definition of an insurrection and it must be stopped by any means necessary.

Why is it that Trumpers -aka as Wing Nuts- move from topic to topic or theme to theme in one ever-shrinking cluster? Now these numbskulls are claiming in one clamoring chant that the FBI is a tool of the Deep State. Soon it'll be that the FBI is in cahoots with child molesters and the CIA maintains a safe house for them. As Wing Nuts are led around by their noses by Hannity and Carlson, the weirdness and foolishness of their claims grows increasingly bizarre. The reason people are tired of politics is because people like Donald Trump abuse power and use power and fame to enrich himself. Wing Nuts think they want what's best for their country, but they so easily fall for every dopey conspiracy theory that greedy, shameless shills like Hannity and Carlson throw their way. Hey Wing Nuts, do you really believe that Antifa caused the Jan 6th riot? That's what Donald Trump said in the immediate aftermath of the riot. That was a bald-faced lie, as we now know, and we also now know that Trump knew he was lying. But Wing Nuts avoid facing this truth and instead worry about the Steele Dossier or corrupt FBS operatives. Question for you Wing Nuts: What's with the text messages deleted by the Secret Service who dealt with Donald Trump? Originally Posted by Muy Largo

I was certain that you were raging about the January 6th Committee. Poke at any windmills recently?

Why is it that Trumpers -aka as Wing Nuts- move from topic to topic or theme to theme in one ever-shrinking cluster?

Question for you Wing Nuts: What's with the text messages deleted by the Secret Service who dealt with Donald Trump? Originally Posted by Muy Largo

Moving from topic to topic and theme to theme is an age-old tactic used to delay the inevitable. [D]umpster fire epitomises that.


As an official left wing nut, it just confirms the former. Distract and delay. If the CIA can't find those messages, it'll go to the tech industry conspiracy.

Without resorting to name calling...

The dossier was fake. The FBI knew it and still used it to get a warrant from a Federal court. The FBI lied to the court. Now we know they wanted to pay the guy that wrote it $1million to verify it but he couldn't because he knew it was all BS. So, yes, the FBI is a tool of the state. Call it political or Deep State, whatever, but they are not impartial. Originally Posted by buzzlghtyr401

Fake?

Did those Russian girls skat on Trumpie instead of piss?


How can you prove it was fake?

Interesting. So in your opinion anyone who supported Trump and voted for him are "Wing Nuts" and "numbskulls"? You do know lumping all people of certain beliefs and characteristics in a derisive manner is considered prejudice?


As I'm quite sure you know by now, I voted for Trump and supported him as president and I don't consider myself either a "Wing Nut" or "numbskull". Nor do I fit the oft used categorization "All Trump supporters are uneducated". I'm quite well educated and make a rather large Corp America salary because of it.


As for Carlson and Hannity, a lot of what they say turns out to be true. And Carlson in particular when he's proved wrong will say so. I'm watching Carlson right now as his show just started. I don't normally watch Hannity too much simply because I'm not inclined to watch hours on end of news shows.


As for Trump, he never abused his power as president, not even once. I'd like for you to cite an example. Trump did not run for president intending to use the office to enrich himself. He knew, in fact, that it would all but certainly hurt his business and decrease his net worth and it did.


Now let's discuss the Jan 6th riot. And congratulations for not referring to it as an "Insurrection". Because it wasn't. Even the deep state .. er .. FBI .. no longer contends it was an insurrection. The FBI concluded that there was no organized attempt at an insurrection. If it was, it was the most poorly planned insurrection in history. But it clearly wasn't an insurrection in the first place. It was exactly what you said it was, a riot.


Was Antifa involved? Absolutely. They were there and with one purpose, to incite a riot. It's always why they are there, to riot. They were major instigators of the "Summer of Love" riots and in fact caused most of them. Antifa claims their purpose is to combat fascism when in fact there is no fascist movement in America and Trump is certainly no fascist. There is a communist movement in this country and it's being led by the Democratic party and Antifa whose stated goal is to overthrow the current Government and replace it with a totalitarian communist state.


that .. is the text book definition of an insurrection and it must be stopped by any means necessary. Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

Gaslighting should be short and sweet. No "body" should have that much gas in their ass.






It's like talking to a wall. First, you know you've posted here admitting that shit is not news. NOw it's news.

The bottom of the barrel must be so dirty.

Gaslighting should be short and sweet. No "body" should have that much gas in their ass.

It's like talking to a wall. First, you know you've posted here admitting that shit is not news. NOw it's news.

The bottom of the barrel must be so dirty. Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

Gaslighting? not really, just a well reasoned takedown point by point of the op's post. and you of all people should appreciate that i dusted off my grammar textbook from middle school to do it.



and considering the rambling mess of this ...

Why is it that Trumpers -aka as Wing Nuts- move from topic to topic or theme to theme in one ever-shrinking cluster? Now these numbskulls are claiming in one clamoring chant that the FBI is a tool of the Deep State. Soon it'll be that the FBI is in cahoots with child molesters and the CIA maintains a safe house for them. As Wing Nuts are led around by their noses by Hannity and Carlson, the weirdness and foolishness of their claims grows increasingly bizarre. The reason people are tired of politics is because people like Donald Trump abuse power and use power and fame to enrich himself. Wing Nuts think they want what's best for their country, but they so easily fall for every dopey conspiracy theory that greedy, shameless shills like Hannity and Carlson throw their way. Hey Wing Nuts, do you really believe that Antifa caused the Jan 6th riot? That's what Donald Trump said in the immediate aftermath of the riot. That was a bald-faced lie, as we now know, and we also now know that Trump knew he was lying. But Wing Nuts avoid facing this truth and instead worry about the Steele Dossier or corrupt FBS operatives. Question for you Wing Nuts: What's with the text messages deleted by the Secret Service who dealt with Donald Trump? Originally Posted by Muy Largo

if it weren't for the fact you largely agree with all of the OP's anti-Trump rant you'd get your red pencil out and and go "grammar-nazi" on it.



bahahahahhaaaaa

Without resorting to name calling...

The dossier was fake. The FBI knew it and still used it to get a warrant from a Federal court. The FBI lied to the court. Now we know they wanted to pay the guy that wrote it $1million to verify it but he couldn't because he knew it was all BS. So, yes, the FBI is a tool of the state. Call it political or Deep State, whatever, but they are not impartial. Originally Posted by buzzlghtyr401

it was an intentional fabrication meant to sway the election with the "assistance" of a foreign actor Steele a British national playing on his "credibility" as a former MI6 operative. Steele has a known bias against Trump.

hmmmm. isn't that foreign interference in a US election?

Yep!!!!

and both the FBI and the Clinton campaign directly participated in it.

but there is no "Deep State", is there???


bahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Gaslighting? not really, just a well reasoned takedown point by point of the op's post. and you of all people should appreciate that i dusted off my grammar textbook from middle school to do it.


Yes really. You believe passing on lies isn't gaslighting. You know the truth. Congressional testimony.

Remember lawyers can't lie. We can lie as long as we can say our avatar is responsible. Five thirty-three mark until six forty.

P.S.

Reading your shit was so easy I did not even consider the composition. I'm sure you write nice reports.

and considering the rambling mess of this ...






if it weren't for the fact you largely agree with all of the OP's anti-Trump rant you'd get your red pencil out and and go "grammar-nazi" on it.



bahahahahhaaaaa Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

I think you're the one who's drunk tonight.

I think you're the one who's drunk tonight. Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

if you say so

and Kinzinger is a closeted gay RINO who kneels and bobs in glory holes.


bahahahahaaaa

it was an intentional fabrication meant to sway the election with the "assistance" of a foreign actor Steele a British national playing on his "credibility" as a former MI6 operative. Steele has a known bias against Trump.

hmmmm. isn't that foreign interference in a US election?

Yep!!!!

and both the FBI and the Clinton campaign directly participated in it.

but there is no "Deep State", is there???


bahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

The dossier played no role in the 2016 election.

The existence of the dossier wasn't revealed to the public until Jan. 2017.

By Sydney Ember and Michael M. Grynbaum
Jan. 10, 2017
BuzzFeed News became the center of a swirling debate over journalistic ethics on Tuesday after its decision to publish a 35-page document carrying explosive, but unverified, allegations about ties between the Russian government and President-elect Donald J. Trump.

Funny how days after the "proof" became known in the Durham trial, that the FBI falsified documents and admitted they had no proof demanded by the FISA court, admitted that they lied to the FISA court before they presented hearsay and did not tell the court "we can't prove any of this but we believe all of it". There would never even have been an investigation if the FBI hadn't lied and deceived the court. This is no longer "right wing media" it's what was admitted to in a court of law.


Then the partisans come out and tell you, Don't believe what you just heard EXACTLY like they criticize Trump supporters for doing. Not a bit a difference between the two. Originally Posted by HedonistForever

Exactly? Try again. You play fast and loose with the truth (That means I'm calling you a liar). Show some links to back your bullshit or to refute this Times story.

Why the Discredited Dossier Does Not Undercut the Russia Investigation

Donald J. Trump and his backers say revelations about the Steele dossier show the Russia investigation was a “hoax.” That is not what the facts indicate.

WASHINGTON — Former President Donald J. Trump and his allies have stepped up an effort to conflate the so-called Steele dossier with the Russia investigation following the indictment of a researcher for the document on charges that he lied to the F.B.I. about some of its sources.

Mr. Trump and his supporters have long sought to use the flaws of the dossier to discredit the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election — and the nature of numerous links between Russia and the Trump campaign — as a “hoax.”

But the available evidence indicates that the dossier was largely tangential to the Russia investigation. Here is a look at the facts.

What was the Steele dossier?

It was a series of memos about purported Trump-Russia links written by Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence agent, during the 2016 campaign.
It cited unnamed sources who claimed there was a “well-developed conspiracy of coordination” between the Trump campaign and the Russian government, and that Russia had a blackmail tape of Mr. Trump with prostitutes. In addition to giving his memos to his client, Mr. Steele gave some to the F.B.I. and reporters. Buzzfeed published 35 pages in January 2017.

Many things that were not immediately apparent about the dossier have since become clearer. It grew out of a political opposition research effort to dig up information about Mr. Trump funded by Hillary Clinton’s campaign and the Democratic Party. Their law firm, Perkins Coie, contracted with a research firm called Fusion GPS, which subcontracted research about Trump business dealings in Russia to Mr. Steele. Mr. Steele in turn hired Igor Danchenko, the recently indicted researcher, to canvass for information from people he knew, including in Europe and Russia.

What was the Russia investigation?

It was a counterintelligence and criminal inquiry into the Russian operation to manipulate the 2016 presidential election by hacking and anonymously dumping Democratic emails and by spreading propaganda using fake accounts on American social media platforms. The scrutiny of Russia’s activities included examining the nature of links between Trump campaign associates and Russians to see if there was any coordination.

The F.B.I. launched the investigation in July 2016, and a special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, eventually took over. His March 2019 report detailed “numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump campaign” and established that “the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts.” He did not charge any Trump associate with a criminal conspiracy.

What was the Russia investigation?

It was a counterintelligence and criminal inquiry into the Russian operation to manipulate the 2016 presidential election by hacking and anonymously dumping Democratic emails and by spreading propaganda using fake accounts on American social media platforms. The scrutiny of Russia’s activities included examining the nature of links between Trump campaign associates and Russians to see if there was any coordination.

The F.B.I. launched the investigation in July 2016, and a special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, eventually took over. His March 2019 report detailed “numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump campaign” and established that “the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts.” He did not charge any Trump associate with a criminal conspiracy.

Was the dossier a reliable source of information?

No. It has become clear over time that its sourcing was thin and sketchy.

No corroborating evidence has emerged in intervening years to support many of the specific claims in the dossier, and government investigators determined that one key allegation — that Mr. Trump’s lawyer, Michael Cohen, had met with Russian officials in Prague during the campaign — was false.

When the F.B.I. interviewed Mr. Danchenko in 2017, he told the bureau that he thought the tenor of the dossier was more conclusive than was justified; for example, Mr. Danchenko portrayed the blackmail tape story as rumors and speculation that he was not able to confirm. He also said a key source had called him without identifying himself, and that he had guessed at the source’s identity. The indictment accuses Mr. Danchenko of lying about that call and of concealing that a Democratic Party-linked public relations executive was his source for a claim about Trump campaign office politics.

Did the F.B.I. open the investigation because of the dossier?

No. Mr. Trump and his allies have insinuated that the F.B.I. based the Russia investigation on the dossier. But when counterintelligence agents launched the effort on July 30, 2016, they did not yet know about the dossier. An inspector general report established that Mr. Steele’s reports reached that counterintelligence team on Sept. 19, 2016.

The basis for the investigation was instead that WikiLeaks had disrupted the Democratic National Convention by releasing Democratic emails believed to have been stolen by Russian hackers, and that an Australian diplomat said a Trump campaign foreign policy adviser had bragged to him about apparent outreach from Russia involving an offer to help the campaign by anonymously releasing information damaging to Mrs. Clinton.

Did the F.B.I. take any investigative step based on the dossier?

Yes. The F.B.I. took the dossier seriously based on Mr. Steele’s reputation, and used some of it — without independent verification — for a narrow purpose that led to a dead end and became a political debacle. It included several claims from Mr. Steele’s memos in applications to wiretap Carter A. Page, a former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser with ties to Russia. In 2019, the Justice Department’s inspector general sharply criticized the F.B.I. for numerous flaws in those wiretap applications.

While the dossier-tainted wiretap of Mr. Page has received significant attention, it was a small part of the overall investigation, which issued more than 2,800 subpoenas, executed nearly 500 search-and-seizure warrants, obtained more than 230 orders for communications records, made 13 requests to foreign governments under mutual legal assistance treaties, and interviewed about 500 witnesses. Mr. Page was not charged with a crime, and only a handful of the 448 pages in the Mueller report focus on him.

Did investigators rely on the dossier for their findings?

No. The Mueller report does not present claims from the dossier as evidence, and many of the issues focused on by investigators did not come up in the dossier.

The dossier makes no mention, for example, of a July 2016 meeting at Trump Tower between Russians and senior campaign officials including Donald Trump Jr., who eagerly accepted the request for a meeting after being told they were bringing dirt on Mrs. Clinton.

Nor does the dossier mention that in August 2016, Konstantin V. Kilimnik — described in the 2019 Mueller report as having “ties to Russian intelligence” and in a partly declassified, bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee report in 2020 as a “Russian intelligence officer” with possible ties to Russia’s election interference operations — flew to the United States to meet with Mr. Trump’s campaign chairman, Paul Manafort.

Investigators established that the two had discussed whether Mr. Trump, if elected, would bless a peace plan effectively allowing Russia to control eastern Ukraine, and that Mr. Manafort had shared internal polling data and campaign strategy information with Mr. Kilimnik, which the Treasury Department later said he passed on to a Russian spy agency. (The government has not declassified evidence for its escalating accusations about Mr. Kilimnik.)

The Senate report said Mr. Manafort’s “willingness to share information with individuals closely affiliated with the Russian intelligence services” represented a “grave counterintelligence threat.”

Did Mueller rely on the dossier for any criminal charges?

No. The special counsel investigation led to indictments of 34 people and three companies. Many of those indicted — like Mr. Kilimnik — reside abroad and have not faced trial. Mr. Mueller obtained nine guilty pleas or jury convictions, including half a dozen close Trump associates. None of those indictments cited the dossier as evidence.

The fact that Mr. Mueller did not obtain sufficient evidence to charge Trump associates with conspiracy is subject to disputed interpretations that overlap with the debate over the dossier’s significance. Trump supporters frame the lack of conspiracy charges as proof there was no collusion. By combining this with the false premise that there would not have been any Russia investigation without the Steele dossier, they portray Mr. Trump as a victim of a hoax.

Beyond pointing out that there is a range of cooperation and coordination that falls short of the legal definition of “conspiracy,” Trump skeptics argue that Mr. Mueller never definitively got to the bottom of what happened in part because of Mr. Trump’s efforts to impede the investigation — like dangling a pardon before Mr. Manafort to keep him from cooperating.

What was the main impact of the dossier?

Beyond its narrow role in facilitating the F.B.I.’s wiretap of Mr. Page, the dossier’s publication had the broader consequence of amplifying an atmosphere of suspicion about Mr. Trump.

Still, the dossier did not create this atmosphere of suspicion. Mr. Trump’s relationship with Russia had been a topic of significant discussion dating back to the campaign, including before the first report that Russia had hacked Democrats and before Mr. Steele drafted his reports and gave some to reporters.

Among the reasons: Mr. Trump had said flattering things about Russian President Vladimir V. Putin, kept bringing on advisers with ties to Russia, had financial ties to Russia, publicly encouraged Russia to hack Mrs. Clinton, and at his nominating convention, the party dropped a plank that called for arming Ukraine against Russian-backed rebels. In March 2017, the F.B.I. publicly acknowledged that it was investigating links between Russia and Trump campaign associates.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/01/u...n-dossier.html