What's Worse: Voter Fraud or Voter Suppression?

https://thinkprogress.org/indiana-re...f37#.6gvo1dfo1

Long article, here are some of the highlights:

Roughly 45,000 newly registered voters in Indiana — almost all of whom are black — may not be allowed to vote next month after state police targeted the state’s largest voter registration drive, forcing it to shut down its operation.
Police raided the Indiana Voter Registration Project (IVRP) offices on October 4, seizing documents and equipment and forcing the group to cease its get-out-the-vote efforts one week before the end of the state’s registration period. Bill Buck, a spokesperson for the liberal nonprofit Patriot Majority USA which runs the IVRP, told ThinkProgress that IVRP could have registered about 5,000 more voters in that additional week.
The IVRP is still unsure whether the 45,000 people it registered will be permitted to vote this year, or how the state will handle their applications while the police investigation is ongoing. Bill Bursten, chief public information officer for the Indiana State Police, told ThinkProgress that law enforcement is investigating whether IVRP violating fraud and forgery laws.

Secretary of State Connie Lawson (R)’s office declined to comment, and Buck said IVRP is still unclear what law it violated or why it’s being aggressively targeted by election officials and police.
“They saw that there was a very successful voter registration drive happening, and this was an attempt to shut it down.”
The IVRP launched in April of this year to improve voter participation in Indiana, particularly in African American neighborhoods in Indianapolis and the Chicago suburbs. In 2014, Indiana had the worst voter turnout rate in the country.

Aggressive tactics
Before raiding IVRP’s offices, police were already using aggressive tactics during their investigation of the group.
According to the New Republic, “police detectives arrived unannounced at the homes of get-out-the-vote activists to interrogate them about their voter registration work.”
Lydia Garrett, a 57-year-old voter registration worker, told the New Republic that police came to her home and repeatedly asked her if the group illegally sets quotas for canvassers.
“That’s what they kept on asking me: ‘How many did they tell you to get? How many did they tell you to get?’” she told a reporter. “And I said: ‘Sir, you can come back with two or three [registrations] and you’re still paid. I don’t understand what you’re saying.’”
Garrett claims that investigators kept questioning her, trying to get her to “say something negative.” She said police even asked her if she would be willing to submit to a polygraph test about her registration work.
Neither the police nor the secretary of state’s office would not comment on their tactics.

Two days after the police raid, the IVRP asked the Voting Section of the U.S. Department of Justice’s Civil Rights Division to initiate an investigation.
“We’ve never had the state police involved in any voter registration project,” Buck said. “It’s pretty unprecedented for this to happen.”

Voter fraud is easily the worst of the two. Voter suppression is up to the voter. If they hear that they their candidate is down by seven points and THEY decide to not vote, then that is their decision. If someone lied to them (like the local news) that their candidate was down by seven and not by less than one like the reality. That is election fraud. Nothing can make you vote for anyone. However, being denied the opportunity to vote by less than legal means is something else all together.

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However, being denied the opportunity to vote by less than legal means is something else all together. Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

If the state is doing it, does that make it legal?

Voter fraud is easily the worst of the two. Voter suppression is up to the voter. If they hear that they their candidate is down by seven points and THEY decide to not vote, then that is their decision. If someone lied to them (like the local news) that their candidate was down by seven and not by less than one like the reality. That is election fraud. Nothing can make you vote for anyone. However, being denied the opportunity to vote by less than legal means is something else all together. Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

How 'bout " the opportunity to vote " even after a death certificate has been issued for the voter ? Box 13 and Lyin Lyndon Johnson's 1948 U.S. Senate election come to mind.
But on the voter suppression side, how come the lyin libs have NO problem with the Black Panther " poll security " during odummer's 2 runs for office ?

If the state is doing it, does that make it legal? Originally Posted by papadee

Clarify?

Are you talking about the latest claim by the left of not having enough polling open for EARLY voting (remember the election is the 8th of November)? The cities and counties only have so many people available and if that is what you're talking about....no, that is not voter suppression or illegal.

Voter suppression. You think you're registered to vote, show up at the polls only to find out you're not registered and can't vote? When some organization actually showed up at your home and registered you?

What about this scenario: a group shows up in your predominately black neighborhood, says they will "register" you and all along, they've targeted you as someone who will not likely vote for their candidate. So your "registration" by them is useless.

Clarify?

Are you talking about the latest claim by the left of not having enough polling open for EARLY voting (remember the election is the 8th of November)? The cities and counties only have so many people available and if that is what you're talking about....no, that is not voter suppression or illegal. Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

Clarify: What the article/post was about. The State of Indiana has held up the registration of 45,000 people. They may not (none, some, all) be able to vote Nov. 8. In the past we've had poll tax, literacy tests, etc. Some voter ID laws have been overruled. When the govt. does it, it's "legal" until it's not.

Voter suppression. You think you're registered to vote, show up at the polls only to find out you're not registered and can't vote? When some organization actually showed up at your home and registered you?

What about this scenario: a group shows up in your predominately black neighborhood, says they will "register" you and all along, they've targeted you as someone who will not likely vote for their candidate. So your "registration" by them is useless. Originally Posted by Prolongus

That may fall under fraud?

Clarify?

Are you talking about the latest claim by the left of not having enough polling open for EARLY voting (remember the election is the 8th of November)? The cities and counties only have so many people available and if that is what you're talking about....no, that is not voter suppression or illegal. Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

It certainly is IF the early early voting places are chosen based upon the likely voting demographics of the areas.

Voter surpression and voter fraud are equally wrong. Adding the vote of an unauthorized person has the same effect as denying the vote to someone who is legally qualified to do so.

That may fall under fraud? Originally Posted by TheDaliLama

Maybe...but if you can't vote, thinking you're qualified to do so, your vote was suppressed.

Maybe...but if you can't vote, thinking you're qualified to do so, your vote was suppressed. Originally Posted by Prolongus

A vote for Johnson is a suppressed vote dumbass.

Maybe...but if you can't vote, thinking you're qualified to do so, your vote was suppressed. Originally Posted by Prolongus

A vote for Johnson is like a FBSM with L1 promised but doesn't deliver

I'm leery of the idea so called groups doing voter registration drives.

the questions by the police over quotas is curious. the canvassers appear to be by paid the number of registrations turned in. I think the canvassers are the last people to know what is going on. I think their actions are honorable, but the people running the group may not be.

they may be using the registration drive to get names of people who are not likely to vote for both purposes, voter fraud and voter suppression. a registered voter shows up to vote only to find out he/she already voted.

I've read that this had happened in the past with a few voters who actually showed up to vote.

A vote for Johnson is a suppressed vote dumbass. Originally Posted by bambino

It just chaps your wrinkled fat ass knowing that I've cancelled your vote for Trumpolini...eh, TITZ? Lol