aI looked in inter. sex guide and there is nalda in here
any ideas of "fun places" there?
Are the tourist bars hot?
- Hawkeye9
- 10-31-2010, 01:06 PM
- Joe Muger
- 01-30-2012, 04:39 PM
This is the Story of Extortion of a Cancun Agency Client
I knew about it but I never pay serious attention to it:
Hiring escorts in Cancun is legal only if they are independents, supposedly to prevent white slavery and trafficking of women.
I have been a regular tourist to Cancun since 1998. After my divorce in 2003, when I visited Cancun I made arrangements for an independent escort whom I contacted over the Internet. During each of my Cancun visits since that time I always contacted an independent escort who accompanied me.
However, in December 2011 while already down there in Cancun, I made the mistake of contacting an agency for an escort. The agency looked very formal and claimed to offer lower prices than independent escorts.
The agency seemed efficient and I was convinced to use their services. The agency offered to send a driver to my hotel to take me to their facility to meet the girls and to select a girl of my choice. I declined the driver offer but did take a taxi to the agency facility. The facility was a quiet place, with security cameras everywhere and with guards posted at different points in and outside the facility.
After choosing one of the girls, I made arrangements for the service the following day and agreed to the time and cost (I was surprised at the lower prices for the girls services, the ages of the girls and especially, that most of the girls said that they were not Mexican.
There was no problem the next day when the girl came to my room at the agreed time for the four hour agreed upon time. At that time I was happy about the lower cost for the girl’s service.
The next day things take a very bad turn. I left my hotel for a walk around the shops and malls near my hotel. As I reached the sidewalk a police patrol car stopped next to me. The police officers, in poor English, asked me for my identification and name. They then took my identification and told me I was being arrested for contracting for sexual services through an agency which is not legal in Cancun. I was told to get into the patrol car and keep quiet. I was told that if I did not keep quiet I would be placed in handcuffs.
After getting into the patrol car I was also told to give up my watch, cell phone, wallet, belt and shoes or I would be placed in handcuffs. I gave them up to try to avoid further conflict.
I was then taken to a small building in an uninhabited and unpleasant section about what I thought was one hour away.
I was place in a dark, unfurnished room and told that they would soon speak to me. After about 20 minutes another officer, less rude than those who drove me, spoke to me and told me that I had committed a serious crime by contracting for sex services by a girl from an escort agency and that I would face changes. I was told that I could be imprisoned for 5 – 10 years.
He showed me a book written in Spanish, which I did not understand, and said that the charges against me were recorded. At that time I began to panic. I tried to explain to him that the agency assured me that they were perfectly legal. I told him I had visited Mexico for many years and had always hired independent girls. But that this was the first time I ever hired a girl from an agency. I tried to explain that did not know that it was illegal to hire a girl trough an agency and had no intention of doing anything wrong. Whatever I said made no difference. In fact I was in tears by that time.
He told me I could request a lawyer, but that they had all the evidence of my crime; the girl's name, the amount I paid, the time she was with me and they knew that I had gone to the agency facility to choose an agency girl. He assured me that, if necessary, it would be easy for them to convince the employees of the agency and the taxi driver who took me there, to testify against me.
While he made efforts to tell me that I had no way to get rid from this situation, I understood that someone had betrayed, probably an employee of the agency was in collusion with these policemen, and that I might be being set up for blackmail. I knew that I had to be very careful not to offer any money because I could be in more trouble.
About what I thought was one later, they made their extortion move. They told me that they would not get anything by turning me over to the prison authorities and that they could lose their jobs if anything bad happened. They then told me that I could give them a good reward that they would pretend that I was not the man sought and that everything would be forgotten.
I asked how much it would cost for such a favor and in return I was asked how much my freedom was worth to me. I was laughed at by one of the police officers when I said that I only had $500 in my wallet which they already had and that they could keep
At that time another more threatening officer came in and told me that I had 5 minutes to resolve the situation and my freedom would cost me $5000 or they would turn me over to the prison authorities. Later another office came in and asked me if I could get the $5000 from credit card or a combination of other items of value. I told him that I could not get that much together in cash.
The officer left the room without a reply. A short time later the police officers said that they were going to take me to prison authorities. Hearing that, I panicked and told them that if they took me to my hotel would give almost $3000 I had in my room safe and that I might be able to get $900 from a local ATM machine. I also told them that they could keep my laptop, cell phone, watch and the clothes I had in the hotel room.
The officers change their police outfits to dress casual. Then put me in an old car and drove to the escort agency facility. At the facility one cop got out and went into the agency. A short time later he came out I was then driven to my hotel. I was given my shoes and then was accompanied into the hotel by the two police. I was told to not do anything to raise suspicion when going into the hotel.
The officers accompanied me to my room where I removed $3300 from the safe and give to them. I was then accompanied out of the hotel to an ATM machine where I was able to withdraw additional $1200 that I also gave to them. They returned my personal documents, including my passport, and told me that if I were to accuse them of anything, I would not reach the airport to leave.
They then laughingly shook my hand and said that I should only hire independent escorts, because only independents are legal in Mexico.
People at hotel and Consulate told me this is becoming more frequent with agencies since the approval of the new Mexican law against Trafficking in Women. So guys, you must fit to laws, and search for independent girls only, if you still want to enjoy your hobby legally in Mexico. I quit.
I knew about it but I never pay serious attention to it:
Hiring escorts in Cancun is legal only if they are independents, supposedly to prevent white slavery and trafficking of women.
I have been a regular tourist to Cancun since 1998. After my divorce in 2003, when I visited Cancun I made arrangements for an independent escort whom I contacted over the Internet. During each of my Cancun visits since that time I always contacted an independent escort who accompanied me.
However, in December 2011 while already down there in Cancun, I made the mistake of contacting an agency for an escort. The agency looked very formal and claimed to offer lower prices than independent escorts.
The agency seemed efficient and I was convinced to use their services. The agency offered to send a driver to my hotel to take me to their facility to meet the girls and to select a girl of my choice. I declined the driver offer but did take a taxi to the agency facility. The facility was a quiet place, with security cameras everywhere and with guards posted at different points in and outside the facility.
After choosing one of the girls, I made arrangements for the service the following day and agreed to the time and cost (I was surprised at the lower prices for the girls services, the ages of the girls and especially, that most of the girls said that they were not Mexican.
There was no problem the next day when the girl came to my room at the agreed time for the four hour agreed upon time. At that time I was happy about the lower cost for the girl’s service.
The next day things take a very bad turn. I left my hotel for a walk around the shops and malls near my hotel. As I reached the sidewalk a police patrol car stopped next to me. The police officers, in poor English, asked me for my identification and name. They then took my identification and told me I was being arrested for contracting for sexual services through an agency which is not legal in Cancun. I was told to get into the patrol car and keep quiet. I was told that if I did not keep quiet I would be placed in handcuffs.
After getting into the patrol car I was also told to give up my watch, cell phone, wallet, belt and shoes or I would be placed in handcuffs. I gave them up to try to avoid further conflict.
I was then taken to a small building in an uninhabited and unpleasant section about what I thought was one hour away.
I was place in a dark, unfurnished room and told that they would soon speak to me. After about 20 minutes another officer, less rude than those who drove me, spoke to me and told me that I had committed a serious crime by contracting for sex services by a girl from an escort agency and that I would face changes. I was told that I could be imprisoned for 5 – 10 years.
He showed me a book written in Spanish, which I did not understand, and said that the charges against me were recorded. At that time I began to panic. I tried to explain to him that the agency assured me that they were perfectly legal. I told him I had visited Mexico for many years and had always hired independent girls. But that this was the first time I ever hired a girl from an agency. I tried to explain that did not know that it was illegal to hire a girl trough an agency and had no intention of doing anything wrong. Whatever I said made no difference. In fact I was in tears by that time.
He told me I could request a lawyer, but that they had all the evidence of my crime; the girl's name, the amount I paid, the time she was with me and they knew that I had gone to the agency facility to choose an agency girl. He assured me that, if necessary, it would be easy for them to convince the employees of the agency and the taxi driver who took me there, to testify against me.
While he made efforts to tell me that I had no way to get rid from this situation, I understood that someone had betrayed, probably an employee of the agency was in collusion with these policemen, and that I might be being set up for blackmail. I knew that I had to be very careful not to offer any money because I could be in more trouble.
About what I thought was one later, they made their extortion move. They told me that they would not get anything by turning me over to the prison authorities and that they could lose their jobs if anything bad happened. They then told me that I could give them a good reward that they would pretend that I was not the man sought and that everything would be forgotten.
I asked how much it would cost for such a favor and in return I was asked how much my freedom was worth to me. I was laughed at by one of the police officers when I said that I only had $500 in my wallet which they already had and that they could keep
At that time another more threatening officer came in and told me that I had 5 minutes to resolve the situation and my freedom would cost me $5000 or they would turn me over to the prison authorities. Later another office came in and asked me if I could get the $5000 from credit card or a combination of other items of value. I told him that I could not get that much together in cash.
The officer left the room without a reply. A short time later the police officers said that they were going to take me to prison authorities. Hearing that, I panicked and told them that if they took me to my hotel would give almost $3000 I had in my room safe and that I might be able to get $900 from a local ATM machine. I also told them that they could keep my laptop, cell phone, watch and the clothes I had in the hotel room.
The officers change their police outfits to dress casual. Then put me in an old car and drove to the escort agency facility. At the facility one cop got out and went into the agency. A short time later he came out I was then driven to my hotel. I was given my shoes and then was accompanied into the hotel by the two police. I was told to not do anything to raise suspicion when going into the hotel.
The officers accompanied me to my room where I removed $3300 from the safe and give to them. I was then accompanied out of the hotel to an ATM machine where I was able to withdraw additional $1200 that I also gave to them. They returned my personal documents, including my passport, and told me that if I were to accuse them of anything, I would not reach the airport to leave.
They then laughingly shook my hand and said that I should only hire independent escorts, because only independents are legal in Mexico.
People at hotel and Consulate told me this is becoming more frequent with agencies since the approval of the new Mexican law against Trafficking in Women. So guys, you must fit to laws, and search for independent girls only, if you still want to enjoy your hobby legally in Mexico. I quit.
- Guest070213
- 01-30-2012, 08:05 PM
HOLY CRAP! Been to Mexico resorts 4 times with the SO (1 to Puerto Vallarto and 3 to Cozemel) and tried to find ways to sneak around from the SO. Other family was around 2 of the times so it was easy for me to get away while they were doing other things.
Nothing ever panned out on my few short journeys and I guess (know) that it was probably for the best.
Nothing ever panned out on my few short journeys and I guess (know) that it was probably for the best.
- SouthArlington
- 01-30-2012, 08:47 PM
1) you're lucky to be alive
2) you're lucky to not be locked away in their prison
3) this is reason #1005 I will never set foot in that third world, hell hole
2) you're lucky to not be locked away in their prison
3) this is reason #1005 I will never set foot in that third world, hell hole
- TheWanderer
- 01-31-2012, 05:15 AM
That's Mexico. I don't doubt a word of it.
Anything to get those American dollars.
Anything to get those American dollars.
- Prolongus
- 01-31-2012, 05:47 AM
You ARE lucky to be alive...holy shit...been to Cancun once; never again!
And you can thank the drug wars for Mexico being the shit country it is.
Wonder how many tourists couldn't come up with the money...and where they are?
And you can thank the drug wars for Mexico being the shit country it is.
Wonder how many tourists couldn't come up with the money...and where they are?
- T-Can
- 01-31-2012, 07:08 AM
I've been to Cancun 3 times and the 2nd time was my first ever hobby experience - I was 21. This first time was Senior Trip, haha!
2 nights I was there, I slipped off to a SC. First night, I got the feel of the place and chatted up some of the girls. Finally took one to the private booth (kind of looked like a phone booth), she put cover on and started riding me. Before she was through, a waitress came up to us and said something to her and she got off. She went over to get another chick to finish me off - I guess she had other business to tend to, haha!
The 2nd night, I went back to talking to this one chick I had talked to the night before (not one of the ones I fucked). She recognized me and was more friendly. She was one of the hottest girls in the club. She told me that the managers only let her see a few guys a night but charge higher. I decided I wanted to have a try so we went to these back rooms that had small beds in them. I went for 30 minutes and paid 200. Manager comes 5 minutes before time is up to give you time to clean up.
The 2nd trip took place in 1999 and I paid with a credit card at the bar at the SC. The only mistake is that I still lived with my parents because I was still in college so the credit card company called my parents' house to make sure the charge was legit...uh oh! Haha!
2 nights I was there, I slipped off to a SC. First night, I got the feel of the place and chatted up some of the girls. Finally took one to the private booth (kind of looked like a phone booth), she put cover on and started riding me. Before she was through, a waitress came up to us and said something to her and she got off. She went over to get another chick to finish me off - I guess she had other business to tend to, haha!
The 2nd night, I went back to talking to this one chick I had talked to the night before (not one of the ones I fucked). She recognized me and was more friendly. She was one of the hottest girls in the club. She told me that the managers only let her see a few guys a night but charge higher. I decided I wanted to have a try so we went to these back rooms that had small beds in them. I went for 30 minutes and paid 200. Manager comes 5 minutes before time is up to give you time to clean up.
The 2nd trip took place in 1999 and I paid with a credit card at the bar at the SC. The only mistake is that I still lived with my parents because I was still in college so the credit card company called my parents' house to make sure the charge was legit...uh oh! Haha!
- Sleepy363
- 01-31-2012, 07:08 AM
The poster said that is the story of a cancun agency client... which sounds to me like he's reposting someone else's story, and he did not go through that himself.
- txcwby6
- 01-31-2012, 11:46 AM
Yup, we used to travel to Mexico but once heads started turning up we found alternatives. The government is inept, terrified and corrupt. Sadly, it'll likely take invading Mexico, imposing martial law and summary executions of drug dealers, corrupt army, police and government offials to make it safe. We'll invade Iraq to do some nation-building but when it comes to a country that borders the U.S. that feeds horrible addictions and has no value for protecting the lives of it's citizens perhaps it's time to annex the 51st thru 60th states and get busy with some enforcement actions.
- Guest050619-1
- 01-31-2012, 12:59 PM
Used to go across the border to play all through the 70's....from Reynosa to Juarez to Nogales....great stories to tell (at least, those I can remember).
Considering the state this country is in today, I wouldn't set foot in it now.
Buyer Beware.....
Considering the state this country is in today, I wouldn't set foot in it now.
Buyer Beware.....
- Joe Muger
- 02-01-2012, 06:34 AM
The poster said that is the story of a cancun agency client... which sounds to me like he's reposting someone else's story, and he did not go through that himself. Originally Posted by still-asleepPlease forgive me, I just wanted to use a formal title for my first post.
What I have described here, actually happened to me.
This is not a repost.
I am sorry.
- Oppa
- 02-01-2012, 07:53 AM
I have been to Mexico several times over the past few years for business and pleasure. Cancun and the Riviera Maya are my favorite places to vacation...I've probably been there a dozen times over the past 10 years. I've done business in Merida (the capital of Yucatan) and Mexico City extensively over the past three years or so. I'm fluent in Spanish (one of my areas of concentration in college).
However, I NEVER hobby in Mexico. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER. That little extortion story is child's play compared to what ELSE can happen to a you in Mexico. My biggest fear especially in Ciudad de Mexico is being kidnapped and held for ransom. While I'm fluent in Spanish, I'm also a fair skinned and fair haired rubio and stick out like a sore thumb.
When I go to Mexico City or any other city on business, we always arrange for private security which includes a bodyguard and driver (we contract Stateside, NOT in Mexico).
When I go to Cancun, I rarely step out of the Zona Hotelera.
We are very lucky here in Dallas to have the options we have. Risking my life in Mexico for a little strange is not on my agenda.
However, I NEVER hobby in Mexico. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER. That little extortion story is child's play compared to what ELSE can happen to a you in Mexico. My biggest fear especially in Ciudad de Mexico is being kidnapped and held for ransom. While I'm fluent in Spanish, I'm also a fair skinned and fair haired rubio and stick out like a sore thumb.
When I go to Mexico City or any other city on business, we always arrange for private security which includes a bodyguard and driver (we contract Stateside, NOT in Mexico).
When I go to Cancun, I rarely step out of the Zona Hotelera.
We are very lucky here in Dallas to have the options we have. Risking my life in Mexico for a little strange is not on my agenda.
- blue3122
- 02-01-2012, 12:28 PM
IF you ever find yourself in a similar situation, follow these steps.
1. Do not talk or react to anything.
2. Do not contact a lawyer first, contact the US Embassy or Consulate. There is a Consular Agency in Cancun (or almost any resort area). You should always know where your Embassy or Consulate is when traveling overseas. Even in Canada, the UK, or any supposedly "safe" country, you should always know where the closest Consulate is. This is your ONLY friend in a foreign country. Local cops do not want to deal with a Consulate.
3. Way more often than not, the local lawyers are as corrupt or more corrupt than the police. If a lawyer shows up and says he is from the Consulate, ask for personal ID, and a letter of introduction from the Consulate. Depending on who he is, this will look really formal, or extremely formal. Ask this "lawyer" questions like how long he has represented the Consulate? etc. Also, ask to call the Consulate and have them verify the lawyer over the phone. Any pushback and you should know you are in a setup.
4. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER surrender the passport to ANYONE. First, it does not belong to you. It belongs to the US Government. You should have known this. If a foreign government takes your passport, the State department WILL get involved in a forceful way. If someone asks to see it, you can tell them they can make a copy but you cannot and will not surrender it. Granted, if you are under duress, you have to but make sure they know that you are doing so against your will.
5. Did I cover keeping quiet and not reacting to anything yet?
6. Be polite and wait for a consulate or representative of the consulate to arrive. DO NOT TALK TO ANYONE. DO NOT EAT THE FOOD. You may be in a holding cell that looks like the bottom of an outhouse and smells worse. Best to suck it up and wait quietly.
I used to travel behind the iron curtain and had to use these steps more than once. Once a hotel clerk asked to see my passport and refused to return it. Fortunately I was staying about 4 blocks from the US Embassy and walked over and returned with two Marines and a consulate agent. Problem solved.
1. Do not talk or react to anything.
2. Do not contact a lawyer first, contact the US Embassy or Consulate. There is a Consular Agency in Cancun (or almost any resort area). You should always know where your Embassy or Consulate is when traveling overseas. Even in Canada, the UK, or any supposedly "safe" country, you should always know where the closest Consulate is. This is your ONLY friend in a foreign country. Local cops do not want to deal with a Consulate.
3. Way more often than not, the local lawyers are as corrupt or more corrupt than the police. If a lawyer shows up and says he is from the Consulate, ask for personal ID, and a letter of introduction from the Consulate. Depending on who he is, this will look really formal, or extremely formal. Ask this "lawyer" questions like how long he has represented the Consulate? etc. Also, ask to call the Consulate and have them verify the lawyer over the phone. Any pushback and you should know you are in a setup.
4. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER surrender the passport to ANYONE. First, it does not belong to you. It belongs to the US Government. You should have known this. If a foreign government takes your passport, the State department WILL get involved in a forceful way. If someone asks to see it, you can tell them they can make a copy but you cannot and will not surrender it. Granted, if you are under duress, you have to but make sure they know that you are doing so against your will.
5. Did I cover keeping quiet and not reacting to anything yet?
6. Be polite and wait for a consulate or representative of the consulate to arrive. DO NOT TALK TO ANYONE. DO NOT EAT THE FOOD. You may be in a holding cell that looks like the bottom of an outhouse and smells worse. Best to suck it up and wait quietly.
I used to travel behind the iron curtain and had to use these steps more than once. Once a hotel clerk asked to see my passport and refused to return it. Fortunately I was staying about 4 blocks from the US Embassy and walked over and returned with two Marines and a consulate agent. Problem solved.
- Alyssa Nicole
- 02-01-2012, 05:42 PM
IF you ever find yourself in a similar situation, follow these steps.great info!
1. Do not talk or react to anything.
2. Do not contact a lawyer first, contact the US Embassy or Consulate. There is a Consular Agency in Cancun (or almost any resort area). You should always know where your Embassy or Consulate is when traveling overseas. Even in Canada, the UK, or any supposedly "safe" country, you should always know where the closest Consulate is. This is your ONLY friend in a foreign country. Local cops do not want to deal with a Consulate.
3. Way more often than not, the local lawyers are as corrupt or more corrupt than the police. If a lawyer shows up and says he is from the Consulate, ask for personal ID, and a letter of introduction from the Consulate. Depending on who he is, this will look really formal, or extremely formal. Ask this "lawyer" questions like how long he has represented the Consulate? etc. Also, ask to call the Consulate and have them verify the lawyer over the phone. Any pushback and you should know you are in a setup.
4. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER surrender the passport to ANYONE. First, it does not belong to you. It belongs to the US Government. You should have known this. If a foreign government takes your passport, the State department WILL get involved in a forceful way. If someone asks to see it, you can tell them they can make a copy but you cannot and will not surrender it. Granted, if you are under duress, you have to but make sure they know that you are doing so against your will.
5. Did I cover keeping quiet and not reacting to anything yet?
6. Be polite and wait for a consulate or representative of the consulate to arrive. DO NOT TALK TO ANYONE. DO NOT EAT THE FOOD. You may be in a holding cell that looks like the bottom of an outhouse and smells worse. Best to suck it up and wait quietly.
I used to travel behind the iron curtain and had to use these steps more than once. Once a hotel clerk asked to see my passport and refused to return it. Fortunately I was staying about 4 blocks from the US Embassy and walked over and returned with two Marines and a consulate agent. Problem solved. Originally Posted by blue3122
- SteveGoldstein
- 02-01-2012, 08:59 PM
I don't mean to cast doubt on the story, even though I do not personally believe it, but the agency thing versus independent, while also possibly true, is a mere pretext that corrupt cops (fake cops?) used for the kidnapping and extortion.
While I would certainly pay off the kidnappers, I would then go to the US embassy and raise holy hell. Then, I would go the the newspapers and tell them the story.
The only way these guys get away with this stuff, if it indeed happened, is for people to be scared and silent. Mexican authorities want tourism, not problemas.
While I would certainly pay off the kidnappers, I would then go to the US embassy and raise holy hell. Then, I would go the the newspapers and tell them the story.
The only way these guys get away with this stuff, if it indeed happened, is for people to be scared and silent. Mexican authorities want tourism, not problemas.