Most of Providers Won't Be In Business Five Years From Now

Don't let the "recovery" or "rebound" fool you.

I'm hoping that what I'm about to say doesn't happen. The government may have something in its hat that we haven't seen before. They might be able to do a trick to avoid this disaster.

But, unless things drastically change on the consumer and political levels... the facts are against that hope. Our economy is headed toward a brick wall. A red tsunami is moving toward us at a high rate of speed and it's not thinking about safety.

When it pulls back, most of what was once green will be black.

We haven't seen the worse of it yet. Increased government spending, and trust in the greenback, saved our economy from a total wipeout during 08. It's what kept us chugging along since then. The Fed also printed more money in a failed bid to jumpstart our economy.

These tricks aren't sustainable if the economy doesn't rebound soon. Again, we haven't seen the worst.

The post 08 "recovery" was a farce. That period until now is equivalent to the Titanic's stern "righting" itself before finally going under.

Wait till inflation raises higher and foreign creditors refuse to lend to us any more. Our dollar could only fall so much before the rest of the crap hits the fan. When the dollar collapses, and when our government can't borrow any more, we're going to see a massive economic wipeout.

Like the Titanic's stern, it won't land smoothly.

The "SS Economy" will go under in a way that'll put the Great Depression to shame.

When that happens, unemployment will shoot up. When the world's economy collapses, it'll shoot past the Great Depression's levels.

What does this mean for you, the provider?

Massive unemployment will wipe most of your client base out... Let's make that, "shift most clients from the traditional hobby to an evolved form of the hobby." Now, what's this evolved form?

I was in South America during their recession.

Our recession was bad, but theirs was worse. Their economic landscape was also worse than ours.

There you were, sitting in a restaurant eating one of their signature, "A la Pobre" meals. You look outside and you saw locals looking at you through the window. Their "rugged" looks made them look older than their true age. They held pocket calendars and chewing gum packs against the restaurant windows.

Other locals ran concession stands and set shop up at random locations. Many women turned to the sex industry.

They had no choice. Money was hard to come by. People did what they could using desperate money making measures to make ends meet.

In one South American country, our bus driver had a "brilliant" idea. He wanted to bring a random woman on the bus. His idea, she serviced clients in the back of the bus while the bus made its rounds.

I told the driver to not bother the woman. The area we were in was chock full of brothels.

But get this. The woman he wanted to grab would've agreed to service a bunch of Americans. These women would've given full service for less than a lap dance here in the United States.

It got more bizarre than that.

Not to far from that area, during the daytime, women sat outside their homes.

We're talking massive age range, from mother to grandmother. They sat in front of their houses, on their doorsteps, looking provocatively at every man that passed... When these women moved, they moved with sexual body language.

They couldn't help it.

Everybody was economically hurting, and the people did anything they could to bring income in.

That's a light preview of what we might see here.

After the dollar crises, our economy will be in a worse shape than what I saw in those places in South America.

Most your clients will shift out of the traditional hobby, and into the alternative form of hobby-- one that you'd avoid today.

Nowadays, you have that option to not shift. Staying where you're at now is more beneficial. But when crap hits the fan, you'll WANT to make that shift. You may have no choice, especially with the job outlook we'll have then.

Demand across the board will shift from designer goods to thrift goods... from five star restaurants to low end economy restaurants... from five star hotels to "OK" motels... from "upscale" provider to the "low end backpage" provider.

You'll have to do more if you want to stay in the hobby after the economy crashes. Remember, unemployment will skyrocket. If you're still in the hobby, this'll require a major attitude shift when it comes to customer service.

Start preparing now so that you'll be able to hold the line when your "sisters" get "wiped out" from the hobby!

How could you improve your chances of being the "real deal" then, as opposed to the dime a dozen shady provider's that'll be the norm?

Start getting rid of bad customer service habits. Now is a good time to start. Not next week, next month or whenever. Don't try to push your luck with your client base.

Why? My five year estimate is optimism. It could happen before that.

So, the first thing you'll have to do is cultivate loyalty from the beginning. This starts with honesty:

Deliver what you promise!

Your website, and advertisement, should reflect the real deal. For example, when we see you the first time, we should easily recognize you from your pictures.

Granted, you guys want to show the best possible pictures. You hope that we'd be so horny that by the time we open the door, we wouldn't care about turning back. Today, many providers take that gambit and succeed.

Five years from now, it'll cost them some clients. That's just the start.

If we open the door and find someone "different," we'll automatically see you as being deceptive.

I've been patient on this end, but not every hobbyist is like this. Many will turn around and leave you standing there... no experience, not even a consolation price. Some will reward your deception with a negative review, or say something unflattering about you via the Hobby News Network (HNN).

This may not affect your business now, but five years from now it'll be your business' kiss of death.

Don't worry about your size.

We have different tastes. Some of us like spinner, some of us like average and some of us like big. Some of us are strict with one race, others will do all. There's enough hobbyists that'll respond to you, the way you are, to cancel out those hobbyists who won't see you.

So, if you're recognizably different, don't showcase your outdated photos. Rule of thumb, if there's a recognizable difference between your photos, and your current appearance, provide updated pictures.

Stealing pictures is a no go.

Alternative lighting photos are no goes. Here's what I mean. Some pictures emphasize one or two colors. Let's say a picture emphasizes shades of blue. A guy looks on your website and sees you in shades of blue.

He can't tell what color your hair, skin and eyes are. For someone that's into a specific type, or race, it could be a potential massive disappointment.

Pictures like that are deceptive. Five years from now, most clients will be risk averse to these things. Your deceptive picture will drive prospects away.

Worst case scenario? You get an appointment. Then, your would-be client becomes an anger management candidate and walks away. He follows that with a negative review that looks like it had an anger issue writer.

Pictures that use lighting that fade you into "barely visible" are also a no go. That's almost like not having a picture. These pictures make it hard for someone to look at your features before making a decision.

Use pictures that show you as close to what you actually look like as possible.

Here's something to ponder. If you're willing to deceive us with your appearance, then you're willing to deceive us with other things... like... is your advertisement nothing but hype and no delivery?

Five years from now, it'll be anything goes for economic survival.

Your clients will be up to their ears with switch and bait, and swindlers. They'll stop seeing you to help eliminate that problem.

Blurring your face is OK, we understand the purpose. We won't consider that as deception unless the rest of the picture is deceptive.

Be realistic when you advertise...

* Don't say, "You've seen the rest, now try the best!" Unless you're honest to God the best!

If you can't prove that statement, your credibility goes down.

You might get first time contacts. If you don't perform, your client will mock you on HNN. So put action behind your advertised words.

Put yourself in your client's shoes. You guys get started. He thinks that he's going to get killer treatment. You end up providing quality that's not that different from the other women. Or, worse, you meet each client with a "disengaged" performance.

Understand that "best" is in the eye of your client.

If you're the best, prove it. Do it by looks and actions. If you attract a client with that headline, give him the best that he's ever received... or one thinking that he just met a sex goddess.

Today, many will overlook that and give you the benefit of the doubt. Others will also decide not to see you again. Five years from now, not backing your words with actions may cost your operation. Clients will spread the word.

Women were open to trading sex for money to make ends meet. Human nature doesn't change because you're in a different country. It happens easily in the United States.

I've gotten a woman to sit on my face because she badly needed the money. She wasn't a provider... just a young hot Caucasian mother of 4 trying to make ends meet.

Five years from now, you'll be competing against things like that on a large scale.

* Don't say, "I know you want it, give me a call!

Yes, it's true. Clients want it, but not necessarily with you.

I love to perform DATY. The caveat? I love to do it to certain women, not all women. Just because I love to perform DATY, doesn't mean that I love to perform it on every clam in existence... unless there's something different about performing DATY on that provider... a difference that'll make me glad that I did it.

Extend this to any activity, and to any client.

Again, different clients have different tastes.

* Don't claim to be classy... in an advertisement with pictures where you show no class.

Again, this goes back to proving what you say. Guys aren't stupid. Usual advertising clichés won't get us to drop what we're doing to act on your ad.

They may overlook it now, as pictures influence them more than words. But, five years from now with the "everybody for himself" economic panic mode, clients will be up to their ears fed up with shady practices. This includes shady advertising.

* In advertisement, you're sexy because guys think you're sexy, not necessarily because you think you are.

When you say that you're sexy, you're telling us that you look like a porn star actress. You're telling us that men turn heads whenever you walk pass them. You're telling us that you're a perfect candidate for being a photo shoot model... both spinner and BBW.

BBW doesn't mean that you're beautiful because you're plus sized. It means that despite being plus sized, you're still beautiful. Yes, there are big beautiful women out there. These women will drop guys' jaws, turn their heads, and make guys drool.

Five years from now, picture disconnect horror stories will be more valuable... people will be spending less on all forms of entertainment. Free will be gravy. Face to face verbal horror stories will be more valuable then than they are now. If that conversation takes place between clients, it'll spell disaster for your operation.

So... make sure that your headline pulls us using our own psychology..

* Don't waste an advertising post.

Many websites restrict advertising to once a week. If you're looking to attract clients, say something that'll attract them to you.

This includes saying something to tease their minds. Follow that up by offering availability time slots. Close by giving them contact information and a call to action... hopefully to call you. Perhaps you could post a picture or two as part of your advertisement.

The advertisement forum isn't the place to talk about how the earthquake made you horny... then offer no other information. OK, so, the washing machine, during one of its spin cycles, turned you on... tracking... post that in the hobby section if that's all you're going to say.

Five years from now, with clients thinking twice about where to spend their hobby money, being on point with advertisements will be king.

Remember, your competitors will be "pushing" us to their doors when they advertise. Do the same.

* Find what you have that other women don't, and base your advertisement on that.

Are you one of the women that have porn star experience? Are you a former executive? Were you a high school or college cheerleader? Were you an astronaut? Are you the only provider that has deep sea diving experience? How do these make you better in the hobby than your competitors?

What can you do that other women can't do? What do you have that other women don't have? Make sure that the answers to those questions have something to do with enhancing the client's hobby experience.

Do you have reviews?

Remember, you're competing with other women for attention. If you could find what sets you apart, and that makes you better in the hobby than your competitors, leverage it. It'll be easier to do a session that matches your advertising claims.

When it comes to advertisement, you have to deliver what your website and advertisement promises.

Many clients will overlook these things now... but 5 years from now, your clients will reward you for not delivering what you promised... by seeing if the next provider could deliver.

If your website talks the talk, make sure you walk the walk.

If you claim that you're open to all fetishes, don't refuse prolonged DATY, facesitting, trampling, or anything like that... unless you list them as limits. On that note, always list fetish limits whenever you claim that you entertain fetishes.

Likewise, if you describe your service as "adventurous," don't put so many restrictions on the session that the client feels shortchanged... or thinks that you work for the Department of Homeland Security... and that he's a big contagion.

If you claim that you look forward to hearing from your clients, don't consistently make it difficult for them to reach you.

Don't say, "Contact me," on an email page when you never check your email.

What if you're backlogged?

Update your advertisement by removing your email contact information. Explain that you're working your way through a backlog. After that, go through your backlog.

Are you dealing with a backlog long enough to take up a hiking trail?

I'm a speed typist. Get with me and we could work something out. We'll get together and get your backlog cleared in no time... why throw away the potential to crank up the hobbyist spigot with unanswered emails?

If you say "call me," or "contact me," address the responses. If you're not able to respond to their contact attempts, get back with them promptly.

Does your website describe you as "upscale"? Does it describe you as an adventure? Does it claim that you'll knock your client's socks off? Make sure that the client walks away feeling that's precisely what happened.

Transfer the enthusiasm that you display on your website, and advertisement, to your conduct toward your clients/potential clients.

Remember, 5 years from now our psychology will be different.

People will lose so much wealth that their mistrust for society and government will skyrocket. Many people around the world, sadly, might end their lives.

This psychology, of lack of trust, will transfer over to the hobby.

If a client expands calories and resources taking your offer up, and walks away feeling slighted, they'll complain to the other clients. Again... most these guys will have a strong mistrust for government, society and shady people.

Take your potential client's calls.

If you put an advertisement up inviting clients to a session with you, that day, be available for contact. If you refuse texting or emailing, make sure that you answer the phone.

Don't say, "call me," when your phone's mailbox is constantly full, and you hardly pick up. Clear your message box so that they could leave a message.

If you guys agree on a session time, make that client a priority as that time approaches. If you tell him to call you before he leaves, make sure that he's able to get to you when he does call.

Not being available, via phone, after the client initiates movement toward you creates risks. It opens the door to the client's getting lost.

If you take communication via phone, email and text, be sure to check those media's constantly.

Give directions from the client's perspective, not yours... don't assume that he has GPS.

If the client says he's at a commonly recognized area on Virginia Beach BLVD, don't use "Shore Drive" as a reference if your incall location is south of Virginia Beach BLVD.

That'll almost guarantee that your client misses the session.

Remove the incentive to blame the potential client if they don't find your place. There's an excellent chance that you gave him bad directions and he went the wrong way.

Your client calls you from the intersection you sent him to.

Don't start telling him to drive "East" or "West" or "North" or "South," or any other directions like that. Ask him which building he's right next to. Then, imagine yourself standing right next to him. How would you give directions to a stranger if you were at that location? Give directions to your place from his perspective.

Don't be afraid to tell your client which exit to take if he's not familiar with your area.

If a client has never, or rarely, been to the area you want him to go though, clarity is king. "You'll see a bunch of hotels when you exit," holds different meaning to someone that has never been to this area... than from what you remember.

If the client is coming from a mostly rural area, and you live in an urban area, those meaning differences will be astronomical.

Don't assume that your client is as familiar with your area as you are. Your client will picture a different "Lobsterville," than what you're seeing. This picture difference will be bigger if your client has never been to "Lobsterville," and it's part of a larger metropolitan area.

So, if you know that a client has a hobby track record, give him the exact exit to take.

Remember, after the dollar collapses, oil prices will go up. Our oil will be cheap relative to foreign oil. This means that we won't be the only one that'll be buying our oil. US and Foreign companies will buy it up too. The American consumer would have to pay higher at the gas pump to give "Big Oil" the incentive to sell here.

So, during the mega depression, we'll be paying through the nose to fuel our vehicles.

Poor directions to your place will not only cost us in time and productivity, it'll hit us hard in the gas area.

We'll end up rewarding you by telling other clients the horror story involved with getting to your place. Potential clients will more than likely say, "Fuck it," and visit someone that's easier to find.

Be punctual, respect your client's time.

If you agree on a session time, be there, for the client, before the session starts.

Now, I understand that you've had one client after another play games with your time. You've sacrificed other engagements to accommodate this client... just to have them cancel out or worse, end up as a no call no show.

You've had other clients call, text and email you forever without meeting you. You've spend hundreds of dollars traveling, setting up shop, just to have your clients cancel out on you... causing you to end up in the red.

This also works both ways.

Understand that you're not the only one that loses productivity time when a session doesn't happen. Clients also deal with no call no shows.

Don't treat a potential loyal client as if he's yet another clown that's wasting your time.

Are you holding back on getting the hotel, until you're sure the client makes it? If yes, you risk your client pacing in your meeting area. If that happens, you've just visually warned the community what you're about to do.

Being at that location before the client gets there removes that risk.

It ensures that you're not at the lobby area at the same time your client is in the vicinity. It also ensures that you get the client out of view the moment he gets to you... instead of creating a visual warning of what you're about to do.

Are you waiting, till you're sure your client will make the session?

Don't be surprised if you end up with many clients flaking out on you at the last minute. If you're not ready to receive the client at the agreed meeting time, you give your client the opportunity to flake on you.

Don't bump a client out of his spot in favor of a higher paying client.

If you told a client that you'll see them at a certain time, refuse attempts to schedule other clients in during that time... even if doing so would mean saying no to twice the compensation.

If your partner wants you to do her clients... because she can't meet their schedule... and it risks turning your original client away... then refuse. Tell your partner that they need to reschedule. Tell her that you will not turn your original client away.

Now, there are some exceptions to the last one. If you tell a client that you can't see them at the agreed upon time, and you do it at the last minute, don't just offer a reschedule. Explain the situation, then offer a deal that he can't refuse.

Remember, your client could've saved himself a trip--and lost activity opportunities--if he knew that he would've gotten turned away.

When I say, "last minute," I'm talking in terms of "point beyond no return." For example, is your client coming from out of town? Don't wait till you're within 24 hours to cancel.

Immediately let your client know if you won't be able to make it.

If you think that you'll run late, immediately let your client know. Pull over to make the call if you're on the road. Give the client the reason you won't be able to make it.

Don't gamble on chance either. If the doubt exists, keep your client posted.

If the client is coming from out of town to see you, and you won't make it, don't wait till you're within 24 hours of the session.

If you have to cancel within 24 hours, and you have extenuating circumstances, explain that to him.

Cancel as soon as possible so that your client can make other arrangements. Failing to provide this courtesy, when you had the opportunity, tells us that you're selfish. If you're selfish in this area, where else would you be selfish?

If you keep canceling on clients, then you need to reassess whether you should remain in the business or not... and if you chose to remain in the business, at what capacity.

These issues happen now, and clients work around them. They have patience now, but that patience will be extremely thin 5 years from now. They'll have other issues in their lives that'll take what remains of their patience.

Remember, clients will have less tolerance. They'll pick other client's brains before they do a session with a provider.

Negative reviews will carry more weight then than they do now.

Cancelling too many sessions because of personal "crises"?

We all have personal situations that we have to deal with. Cancelling a session is going to happen if one of these issues needs our time. This is true for both hobbyist and provider.

Promptly contact the hobbyist if you can't make a session, and explain why you can't make it. Offer alternative times.

If your personal issues constantly require you to cancel, you should consider leaving the hobby. This doesn't need to be permanent. You need to tend to the issue that keeps causing the cancellations. Once the issue is resolved, then jump back into the hobby.

Never up-sell, or ask for a tip.

Lay it out up front, let the client know what he's getting into.

They don't just choose you for your looks, and for what you could do... but also because they don't expect to go higher than what you advertise. Your client isn't going through all the trouble just to provide you more than what you originally asked for.

Finding yourself saying, "That's going to require extra"? Saying that once the session starts? If you said yes, you've just put yourself into a situation where the client would've originally refused your service.

That's extremely shady... and clients will complain about this to as many clients as possible. Most clients won't bring more than what they expected to have to bring anyway.

Remember, tips are the client's discretion. You should never ask for it, it makes you look needy and unprofessional. Asking for the compensation is fine if the client fails to produce it.

If the client provided you with an extremely rare kind of oral service, asking for a tip makes you come across as bratty and ungrateful.

Remember, 5 years from now, inflation will be consistently "up-selling" products. That'll be part of reality. One reason clients see you is to escape from reality. Again, giving them what was "promised" or "implied," in the beginning will help you receive returning clients.

Customer service begins on the first contact.

A client seeing you is one of his biggest compliments.

We tend to look at many potential providers before settling on you. That decision isn't always an easy one. Many hobbyists won't see every provider that offers her services. We're picky on who we see.

This is one of our ways of telling you that you're very hot.

So, if you don't want to see a client, simply tell him that you aren't available. You won't be deceptive here. Just as I make myself available only to specific providers, you're making yourself available only to specific hobbyists.

Of course, don't lie and say that you're not going to be available for a while... then still advertise your services. Remember, your clients talk to each other. They'll give you a chance and see if other hobbyists are having the same results when contacting you.

If they find out that you're not telling the truth... about something that requires honesty... they'll be more reluctant to see you.

Don't expand calories and time telling a potential client that you don't want to see him. You don't want to do it with an Email that sounds like you're a university, and that client was refused admission.

The best thing to do is not to respond to a hobbyist that you don't want to see.

I simple note, saying that you're not interested, will also suffice.

For the other potential clients, provide a response as soon as possible. Get their username, and find out what message board they post on. If the hobbyist has a track record of seeing providers, then the chances are real strong that he's not playing games.

So facilitate your potential client's being able to see you. Don't set obstacles for them that'll make it hard for them to communicate with you to make a session happen. If someone, with a hobbying track record, that spans decades, contacts you, don't treat him like he's not the real deal.

If your website, verification page, or advertisement contains vulgar and suggestive language, don't be surprised if a hobbyist uses them when contacting you.

I used "hobbyist" and "provider" in this post, instead of "Gentlemen" and "ladies." I did this for an important reason. This hobby goes against chivalry. There's nothing lady or gentleman like in this hobby. It's that simple.

I say this from how general society sees this.

So lady and a gentleman rules don't always apply, but Common Law does...

Under Common Law, if you communicate with vulgarities, then others have a right to respond to you with vulgarities. Don't want them to use vulgarities? Then remove them from your website or verification page.

That picture, where you wrap your feet tightly around the faucet, doesn't help your cause.

If you refuse to do that, don't attack the hobbyist that uses them when contacting you.

Remember, five years from now, those who want it both ways will be associated with the rich and Wall Street fat cats. Conspiracy theorists will demonize them harder then than they do now. If you hammer the client for doing something that you just did, they may associate you with that group.

Don't attack a hobbyist without due justice.

Expect participation on these kinds of websites to skyrocket during the global mega depression.

Many of these message boards will act like chat forums. Many people will simply not have many other things to do.

Feel free to participate in debate threads, as long as you address the debate topic. Resist the urge to attack a hobbyist because you disagree with him. Every hobbyist in the debate is a potential client.

Now, if a hobbyist attacks you on the forum, you have a right to defend yourself.

Does one of your provider girlfriends have an issue with a client? Don't take her word about the situation without a proper investigation. Until this investigation is complete, don't openly attack the hobbyist.

Both provider and hobbyists have stabbed each other in the back before. This is a problem that exists in all hobby communities. This isn't just man on man, and woman on woman. Even "friends" will attack each other in front of a common client universe. They'll do the later via phony hobbyist accounts.

Did a provider give you a horror story about a client? Do your own investigation. Who knows, your "friend" could be "hogging the market." It'd also identify if she had a role to play.

Your girlfriend of today could be your nemesis of tomorrow. Today's targeted hobbyist could be your future stress relief... for real.

Chances are strong that you're aware of the fact that providers work with each other for selfish reasons.

If you want a hobbyist to defend you, make sure that he has all the facts. If it involves your issues with another hobbyist, disclose your contribution to the problem. You do your white knight an injustice by not doing so. If you don't give him a balanced report, your "dragon" will just burn and stomp your white knight.

Let me emphasize this again. In this hobby, today's friends can be tomorrow's enemies. If your "girlfriend" ends up as your enemy, and her "victim" turned out to be innocent, that's one burned bridge you're going to have a hard time rebuilding.

Five years from now, every client is going to count.

Use common sense when researching backgrounds.

You have every right to do background investigations on a potential client. Do everything you could to weed dangerous hobbyists out. There are ways to check on that. Take the opportunity to be fair while you're at it. The next hobbyist that you refuse to see could be the hobbyist that satisfy you in a way your husband, or boyfriend, can't.

You're doing a background check. You find that the client that wants to see you has a past history. He's been to court once for biting a dog and a second time for a bar fight.

Do you say "No," to him for fear of getting bitten?

Well, let's see, how many reviews has he done? If he's done many reviews, call the other providers and ask for their experiences with him. The dog biting and bar fight would be trivial if his past providers tell you that he's extremely sweet and gentle.

If you trust that the police, investigators and lawyers always tell the truth about things, then you could take the reports seriously.

However...

You'll probably never learn that the guy bit the dog in response to the dog attacking him. You'd probably never learn that the bar fight began when the other guy grabbed his girlfriend's butt... then attacked him.

The community, including the city's government, liked this perpetrator. They ran his story all the way to court.

For the record, I borrowed the above dog and bar fight scenarios from real world events. I didn't do them.

I also remember a movie where a former gang member tries to turn a new leaf. He went through an, "offenders bootcamp program," before getting released. But, he couldn't get a job because of his conviction.

We're coming to a time that'll really put stress on the population. Why shoot yourself in the foot by turning someone away that could be an asset to you?

If you're dealing with a hobbyist with a hobbying track record... to include provider reviews and provider "OKs," chances are good that you don't have a problem child on your hand.

Never hint your preferences of one client over another.

Do you give hobbyists, that you're attracted to, special treatment? Keep that on the ladies boards, or in private.

Guys read what you say in public. If they've had a session with you, and they didn't receive that special treatment, you've just told them that you favor others over him. That hobbyist will pay you back by going to your competitor.

Today, many clients would overlook that. Five years from now, it'll be a different issue, one that won't help your business.

You may see clients do this. The big difference; however, is that "gifts" flow from one to the other.

Don't slander your client, don't air his dirty laundry...

What happens between the hobbyist and you stays between you guys.

The rest of us don't need to know that a specific client doesn't wash up. It's OK to speak about that in general. For example, if you get clients that don't realize that their sweat makes things unbearable... you could make a general announcement about pre session hygiene.

Just got into an argument with your client? Was it trivial? Keep it between yourselves. Don't follow him to a non hobby board, and drop hints about what he did.

There are exceptions to this.

If your client proves to be dangerous and shady, the rest of the community needs to know about that. Here's a good example.

A provider took who she thought was going to be a routine client. He provided her with provider references, but claims that he needs the session, right now. His window of opportunity closes soon.

Shortly before the session starts, he tries to rape her.

That's when he quickly finds out that she's effective with a knife. After she "gets her point across," and forces him to give her compensation, she goes to the message board. She goes on the warning forum and gives a warning.

That's legitimate.

Both hobbyist and provider need to know about this guy. He may have contacted other providers. He may have attempted to get other hobbyists to vouch for him. The community could add their information and paint a better picture of who this guy is.

Now, for the other extreme.

Did you flame a hobbyist, then get your ass handed to you, during a PM exchange? If all a client does is flame you, that's not sufficient to warn about a hobbyist.

Does a hobbyist sniff your breasts like a rose? If that's a "secret" fetish for him, the rest of the community doesn't need to know that he does that.

Why is this important?

If you'll drop the dime on us for something trivial, what's stopping you from throwing us under the bus to save your hide?

Remember, mistrust will skyrocket during the mega depression.

So, how does all this play 5 years from now?

The above are just a few examples of things that annoy hobbyists.

Many of us overlook them, and work with the provider. Many hobbyists will refuse to say anything. They'll select another provider next time. They'll never give the original one a second chance. Many will simply complain about it in a review.

Five years from now, expect most of us to shift to the third category.

The little things that clients overlook today will become glaring aggravators tomorrow. Most will adopt the, "Walk away and leave a negative post," maneuver. With most hobbyists and providers out of the traditional hobby, and out of jobs, these boards will be very active.

This translates into lots of exposure for a negative review.

Fairness and character will take center stage, that's how hard the economic shock will be. Everybody and his brother will be trying to sell something... and many will be shady about it.

With a large segment of people unemployed... with nest eggs and life savings wiped out... people will resort to bartering their skills to supplement their income shortage.

Sex will be a key bartering tool and bargaining chip.

Don't forget, I got a woman to sit on my face because I had something that she badly needed. Both genders will be playing each other this way when crap hits the fan with our economy.

The clients that do see you wouldn't have to see you.

You'll have to work harder to make yourself a better option than your new real competition... the low end backpage type providers, the sex bargaining chip, and the new hobby culture that rises out of the traditional hobby's ashes.

You're looking at a future where you're going to be working harder for less. The current session fees are the norm today. However; you'll end your business if you hold onto them 5 years from now. Full Service for just $ will be "expensive."

Today, you'd easily be able to hang your shingles and enter the work force. Well, it'll be easy to hang your shingles. Your job outlook would be tough now. However; your chances of entering the workforce now are greater than five years from now.

Even if you get a job now, chances are strong that you won't have it 5 years from now... unless you pick a profession that caters to low end markets... and to things that we can't do without.

Again, something could happen to make this another prediction that doesn't happen. Washington could pull a "rabbit" out of the hat, a "rabbit" that none of us has ever seen before.

Even if the above doesn't happen, you still want to prepare for the worst.

Required Reading...................... for anyone wanting to join the hobby!

So, let's break this down to the bullet points... good stuff just in outline form!

But, remember, the summary loses a lotof the meat of post above. So, be sure to read it all!

New Providers (and some established providers) should take their time to read this. One of the best "hobbyist's viewpoints" I have read.

• Deliver what you promise!
  • Don't worry about your size.
• Be realistic when you advertise...
  • Don't say, "You've seen the rest, now try the best!" Unless you're honest to God the best!
  • Don't say, "I know you want it, give me a call!
  • Don't claim to be classy... in an advertisement with pictures where you show no class.
  • In advertisement, you're sexy because guys think you're sexy, not necessarily because you think you are.
  • Don't waste an advertising post
  • Find what you have that other women don't, and base your advertisement on that.
• If your website talks the talk, make sure you walk the walk.
• Take your potential client's calls.
• Give directions from the client's perspective, not yours... don't assume that he has GPS.
• Be punctual, respect your client's time.
  • Don't bump a client out of his spot in favor of a higher paying client.
  • Immediately let your client know if you won't be able to make it.
  • Cancelling too many sessions because of personal "crises"?
• Never up-sell, or ask for a tip.
• Customer service begins on the first contact.
  • A client seeing you is one of his biggest compliments.
• If your website, verification page, or advertisement contains vulgar and suggestive language, don't be surprised if a hobbyist uses them when contacting you.
• Don't attack a hobbyist without due justice.
• Use common sense when researching backgrounds.
• Never hint your preferences of one client over another.
• Don't slander your client, don't air his dirty laundry...

Nice summary, Lea!

JaG

Hi,

Thank you for the advice. The topic your referring to has/is happening here in Texas already! (Supply & Demand for one)

A little off topic......What I don't understand is why do they let providers that deceive people get verified status on this website!

I will copy and save you advice...thanks!

Sincerely,
Wet

There's a purpose behind each idea, paragraph, sentence, word, etc., in the original post.

The summary doesn't capture the same intent, and will result in another outcome.

Those pointers, alone, are enough to get a woman's blood boiling. The reality is that this is a back and forth thing. A provider gives a hobbyist a runaround. This hobbyist gets cautious, and treats the next provider with suspicion. She gets more cautious with the next guy and so on.

Providers do have their horror stories.

They'd be right to ask, "How dare he ask that from providers, when too many hobbyists fail to do extend the same courtesy to us?

Too many hobbyists ruin it for all of us. This creates a self feeding cycle.

To help alleviate the potential conflict that the "points summary post" opens up, here's the argument for the provider...

RE: Deliver what you promise!

Guys don't always do what they say. Providers have nightmare stories about this.

RE: Don't worry about your size.

That's right guys, in this hobby, if you could effectively apply your mouth and tongue, your size, and how long you last, won't be an issue.

Heck, you don't even need that. Your "gift" talks.

RE: Be realistic when you advertise...

If you tell a provider that you're a real nice guy, be a nice guy to her. If her website tells you not to haggle, be realistic and don't try to get a better deal.

If you tell her that you intend to do a session with her, it's because you intend to do a session with her. Did you insinuate that you're a considerate person? Make sure you've had a very recent shower if you ask for a BJ.

RE: Don't say, "You've seen the rest, now try the best!" Unless you're honest to God the best!

How many hobbyists have said this to a provider, but failed to deliver? Be realistic in what you can do for the provider.

RE: Don't say, "I know you want it, give me a call!

How many hobbyists have tried to convince a provider to do a session when she doesn't intend to come out that night?

RE: In advertisement, you're sexy because guys think you're sexy, not necessarily because you think you are.

In the hobby, you're cool and nice because the provider sees you as such. Not because you think you're GQ.

RE: Don't waste an advertising post

Don't waste an email contact to the provider. Providers get backlogged with useless emails. Don't send one of those useless emails... definitely don't contribute to her having to plow through all those non topic, open ended emails.

RE: Find what you have that other women don't, and base your advertisement on that.

Be for the provider what other hobbyists aren't. Providers deal with enough drama in their other life, they don't need that drama amplified. Don't give her drama, but do give her a great time.

RE: If your website talks the talk, make sure you walk the walk.

If you, the hobbyist, tell a woman that you're interested in a session with her, follow that up. Don't flake out on her when there's no excuse to flake out on her.

RE: Take your potential client's calls.

Answer your potential provider's email. Be serious too. If you don't intend to do a session, let her know. This gives her the opportunity to pursue other leads.

RE: Give directions from the client's perspective, not yours... don't assume that he has GPS.

Follow the provider's direction. If she tells you not to go pass "A Street," don't plow past it to "B Street," then to "C Street," then to... well, you get the picture.

If she gives you directions over the phone, make sure that you're not driving.

Write the directions down. When she's done giving you directions, repeat the directions back to her. This gives her a chance to correct you, and reduces the chances that you get lost.

RE: Be punctual, respect your client's time.

Do the same for the provider.

RE: Don't bump a client out of his spot in favor of a higher paying client.

If you've committed to a provider, hold off on the other provider till another time. There are some exceptions, but you'd have to compensate the other provider in some way.

RE: Immediately let your client know if you won't be able to make it.

The same concept applies toward a provider. If you can't make the session, or you're about to be late, let the provider know as soon as possible.

RE: Cancelling too many sessions because of personal "crises"?

Hold off on seeing these women until you can devote time to them.

RE: Never up-sell, or ask for a tip.

Don't try to haggle with the provider.

RE: A client seeing you is one of his biggest compliments.

A provider seeing you is one of her biggest compliments. She doesn't see every hobbyist. She has turned other hobbyists down. She may have turned one down in favor of seeing you.

If she agrees to see you, work with her to make the session happen. Then give her the best time you could give her.

RE: Don't attack a hobbyist without due justice.

Don't attack a provider without due justice.

@herfacechair well said bro!

@Lea We VA boys need more Missisippi girls to come up here Lea, LOL... the locals suck around here... And P.S. please do bring Miss B when u do come up, hehehe

herfacechair,

I greatly appreciate that you took the time to share this. Thank you. *kisses*

@herfacechair well said bro!

@Lea We VA boys need more Missisippi girls to come up here Lea, LOL... the locals suck around here... And P.S. please do bring Miss B when u do come up, hehehe Originally Posted by batmanak007

Ummm...Wow?

@herfacechair well said bro!

@Lea We VA boys need more Missisippi girls to come up here Lea, LOL... the locals suck around here... And P.S. please do bring Miss B when u do come up, hehehe Originally Posted by batmanak007

I do make it to Richmond now and then. I love the local girls. They have been great with advice as where to stay and habe hlped a lot with references!!

If they are that good to me, I know they are good to the guys!!!

A touring girl is great for a change.... but a local girl is where being treated right all the time is at!

Take care of your local girls!! But, as this thread is about... it goes both ways!

Speaking off... We should probably get bak on topic!

Smooch!

Lea

I totally agree with you Lea, it goes both ways... And I really didn't mean all the locals up here in VA. I really haven't seen anybody in Richmond. I was referring more to the local talent here in the Hampton Roads area. With the exception of Lady BJ who is an awesome lady by the way and a few local girls. The rest have not been really up to par compared to their talents. I guess we've been getting a bunch of newbies lately who tend to charge outrageous and ridiculous rates for less than the basic GFE. Anyways I agree with you 100% Lea, we do have to take care of our locals so that they in turn can reciprocate back. That doesn't stop me from honing in to the girls of MS though especially the gulfcoast area, y'all are on my radar hehehe... LOL

Wow is right. Interesting viewpoint, but our country has been here before and it can be fixed. Not going to be easy or fast, but it will be corrected.

As far as competition from non-pros it has already started about 2 years ago. Plenty of part-timers jump in the game when time gets tough and they drive rates down. Makes it harder for the full-time providers (especially those that travel), but a lot easier for the clients.

Yes, this country has been through economic downturns in the past. Like the others, we're going to overcome it. This one is going to be long and painful compared to the ones we've lived through in the past.

It'll get worse before it gets better... we haven't gotten to the worst yet.

Unless a new "bubble" catches us by storm, our economy is going to tank. Wait till the principle on our debt becomes too hard to pay off... due to increasing interest rates. Our dollar isn't done going down yet. When that bubble pops... expect us to go into free fall.

There's a reason to why we had this big fight in congress over the budget. There's a reason to why many countries are already fighting to balance their budgets and to drastically cut their spending.

People around the world are starting to see the writing on the wall.

The new competition I'm talking about is going to come in different forms. The providers will get competition from non providers.

It's like that woman I got to sit on my face. She wasn't a provider. Just your young hot Caucasian woman next door. The type that turned heads. She needed something that I was willing to give her.

That's just one example.

And batmanak007,

Don't let the bad ones discourage you. That's why we have reviews. Let's leverage the free market to our advantage, as well as to the advantage of the quality providers in this area.

Hear, hear!

Great food for thought and I'm glad to see you also gave some advice for the guys too. I've heard quite a few horror stories from ladies, so a lot of guys could also use a reality check of where they stand from a reasonable provider's point of view.