planting seed in anticipation of "fertilization" (human excrement) by others.....

These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read:

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealth out of prosperity.

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.

5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work, because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

thank you Dennis!!

These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read:

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealth out of prosperity.

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.

5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work, because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation. Originally Posted by dennisrn

This is a perfect example of the echo chamber the right operates in; they repeat baseless, bumper sticker declarations like this with no connection to reality and no concept of how complex, technical and interdependent public policy is and how it affects us globally and as a nation.

dennisrn and many others are guilty of this tone deafness I'm describing because whatever political debate is going on, they contribute nothing but these little contrite proclamations that are meant only to communicate their indignation and add nothing to the debate.

This reminds me of that petulant child that runs around the room screaming "I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALALALA!" with his fingers stuck in his ears.

I could pick apart this nonsense sentence by sentence but I promised someone I would give it a rest and I'm trying like hell to honor that promise.

dennisrn, you get a pass so enjoy it.

This is a perfect example of the echo chamber the right operates in; they repeat baseless, bumper sticker declarations like this with no connection to reality and no concept of how complex, technical and interdependent public policy is and how it affects us globally and as a nation.

dennisrn and many others are guilty of this tone deafness I'm describing because whatever political debate is going on, they contribute nothing but these little contrite proclamations that are meant only to communicate their indignation and add nothing to the debate.

This reminds me of that petulant child that runs around the room screaming "I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALALALA!" with his fingers stuck in his ears.

I could pick apart this nonsense sentence by sentence but I promised someone I would give it a rest and I'm trying like hell to honor that promise.

dennisrn, you get a pass so enjoy it. Originally Posted by Rodram

Echo chamber? I don't think so.
Ronald Reagan was so effective, because he could take those complex concepts and communicate them down to bumpersticker sized thoughts. In my own line of work, I do the exact same thing to technical theories and proposals.
It's just that the media are carrying water for the Marxist/Socialist complex, and no other message will be transmitted by that method.

I'm still waiting for a coherent explanation of how draining wealth from the productive, increases wealth for all. Why should the productive increase production when 3/4th of their additional efforts may be confiscated by government at all levels. Why should I do $100,000 worth of effort when I only get to keep $25,000? I have no reason to.

An explanation of why it's my responsibility to support the lazy and unwilling, and uncapable. I didn't agree to the social contract.

An explanation of why it's not slavery to require a worker to work largely for the benefit of another. Why someone has a right to the fruits of my labors. If I were a doctor and if medical care were a guaranteed right, would I be forced to practice medicine on demand of those exercising their rights? Or if I were a farmer, and someone who was hungry showed up at my farm, am I obligated to feed them? Of if I had a spare bedroom, would I be obliged to take in a homeless person or two?

I'm merely taking the policies and justifications of the left and restating them in terms that someone might understand the impact, something which the talking heads of the left just don't do.

At what point do the productive just simply give up and stop producing on behalf of others? Isn't it just easier to thrust your own hands out and say, it's easier then struggling to eke out a future which your own destiny is controlled by YOU.

Echo chamber? I don't think so.
Ronald Reagan was so effective, because he could take those complex concepts and communicate them down to bumpersticker sized thoughts. In my own line of work, I do the exact same thing to technical theories and proposals.
It's just that the media are carrying water for the Marxist/Socialist complex, and no other message will be transmitted by that method.

I'm still waiting for a coherent explanation of how draining wealth from the productive, increases wealth for all. Why should the productive increase production when 3/4th of their additional efforts may be confiscated by government at all levels. Why should I do $100,000 worth of effort when I only get to keep $25,000? I have no reason to.

An explanation of why it's my responsibility to support the lazy and unwilling, and uncapable. I didn't agree to the social contract.

An explanation of why it's not slavery to require a worker to work largely for the benefit of another. Why someone has a right to the fruits of my labors. If I were a doctor and if medical care were a guaranteed right, would I be forced to practice medicine on demand of those exercising their rights? Or if I were a farmer, and someone who was hungry showed up at my farm, am I obligated to feed them? Of if I had a spare bedroom, would I be obliged to take in a homeless person or two?

I'm merely taking the policies and justifications of the left and restating them in terms that someone might understand the impact, something which the talking heads of the left just don't do.

At what point do the productive just simply give up and stop producing on behalf of others? Isn't it just easier to thrust your own hands out and say, it's easier then struggling to eke out a future which your own destiny is controlled by YOU. Originally Posted by TexanAtPlay

You're obviously a Republican driven by its ideology and therefore your party's platform allows me this rebuttal:

"The very face of Jesus

The picture of the last judgment (Matt 25:31-46) puts before us six kinds of people: the hungry, the thirsty, aliens, the naked, the sick, and prisoners. The distress they suffer involves most of them in being homeless.

In the two parables mentioned above, Jesus did not say: ‘I was lying robbed and wounded by the side of the road and you took care of me’, or, ‘I was covered with sores and begging for food at the entrance to your home, and you fed me and cleaned my sores’.

In speaking of the last judgment, however, Jesus goes beyond the two parables and identifies himself with those in terrible distress. He is the asylum seeker, he is the wounded traveller, he is the beggar covered with sores.

Such people bring us the very face of Jesus. They express his never-ending stations of the cross. In and through the homeless, the refugees, the prisoners, the hungry and sick, Jesus continues to be in agony; in them his passion goes on.

The Old Testament prophets vigorously reminded their audiences to care for widows, aliens, orphans and other people in distress. But none of them took the further step that Jesus did. He identified himself with the homeless and all others in terrible need. That remains the heart of his challenge to all of us. Jesus, the homeless One, have mercy on us."



Gerald O’Collins SJ has authored or co-authored 56 published books; the most recent include Jesus: A Portrait (Darton, Longman & Todd), Philip Pullman’s Jesus (Darton, Longman & Todd), and Catholicism: A Very Short Introduction

What say you my son?

I have almost unlimited ammo for any Reagan stuff and all of your points with verifiable evidence, if you want we can continue but be warned, I can prove my points, are you sure you can?

Just because you believe that if you work hard, make some money and think you should be able to keep most of it does not make you a Republican, or a conservative or heartless. To make it and have the good life is the American Dream. But it gets harder and harder because the polititians on both sides spend a great deal of time trying to figure out more ways to take your hard earned money. Every year (or in Texas every othe year)...you get polititians discussing toll roads, state income taxes, gasoline taxes by the mile driven, extra fees for auto inspections, reduction of garbage pick up days (but no cut in fees) and so on and on and on. Government workers, military personel and many private workers must take manditory drug tests and pass to keep their jobs. But.....if you suggest those on the public dole must pass a drug test to continue to recieve your taxed dollars....you must be a heartless Republican. I think far to many able bodied people have become dependant on the support of the government and the government has fostered that dependence to the point where either it is easier to stay on welfare, food stamps and so forth than it is to get a job and make it on your own. Where is the pride in being self sustaining? I know a guy, who got 400.00 a month in food stamps for his wife and disabled kid. He got a payraise of 1.00 per hour (from 9 to 10.00 per hour). Immediately, his food stamps were decreased by 300.00. (let's see 180.00 per month pay raise and 300 per month cut in food stamps) How is that gonna inspire him to make more money. Maybe if they cut 50 cents for each dollar more he made he might feel he is getting ahead.
The "wealthy" 10% can not support the other 90% of the population. If the American Dream is gone and you can not hope to achieve it, then why strive for it. The waste in what taxes pay for and how is so vast. The government collects enough taxes to pay for all kinds of good programs and to help people who really need help. The key is to spend it more wisely, cut the fat, cut the waste, cut the fraud. Then if you need to collect more money, then and only then consider raising taxes.

ENJOY YOUR PASS DENNIS LMAO~

Thanx Jdriller - I'm sure you "tweeked" a synapse here and there and they are still trying to understand why the neuron passed the electrical or chemical signal to another cell which they didn't like.


latinalover - last time I got a pass many years ago was for three days and it was earned - not given by default because there was no other way..


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jdriller your points are understood but allow me to ask you a few questions:

1. What percentage does welfare represent of the national debt?

2. What percentage does the top 1% represent of U.S. income?

3. How much has the Bush Tax cuts cost this nation and who benefitted from them?

4. Lets look at one major corporation Exxon for instance. What is Exxon's effective tax rate after loopholes and govt subsidies? What was Exxons profit margin this last quarter?

Hint: None of the answers to these questions will support the idea that welfare is where we need to look to cure our debt problems and who is responsible for that debt.
I'm actually astonished that anyone would make this argument considering what we now know about the revenue in taxes that we have lost due to tax cuts for the rich, and tax cuts, tax loopholes and subsidies for corporations that have posted historically high profits.

Rodram - your logic is the same that Chavez used to coax the poor in Venezuela to vote for him. Now that he is in power EVERYONE is screwed. Kinda like Obama is doing to us.

Here's my 2 cents:

I was a recipient of welfare programs, state funded child care, WIC and food stamps. I also made my way through my undergrad utilizing veteran and pell grant programs.

Now I am in a position of comfort, not wealthy, but doing well. Between (employer portion) payroll taxes, personal payroll taxes and fedeal, state and local licenses and fees, I pay about $20,000- $22,000 a year. I don't mind it, and I don't mind my money going to welfare programs, because I know they work.

Are there people who "get over" on the system, absolutely. But there always have been and always will be, regardless of the system in place. So, if my contribution helps even a third of those out there utilizing it, I am satisfied.

I won't get to take it with me, and I find ostentatious displays of wealth to be odious. I wear $10 Academy shorts, I drive a vehicle which was less than $22k new (which was purchased with a multiple function role in mind, so only one vehicle was needed). I pay my employees appreciably more than the market wage. I take care of my kids, but they earn what they get from me.

I will never retire to an island in the Caribbean, I will work until I can't. I live a comfortable existence, and wouldn't if others hadn't helped me. So now I help others and sleep well knowing I do.

Hey nimROD, hows this for Reagan stuff?," Its not that liberals are ignorant it's just that they know so much that isn't so." I knew you fell away from the church. There you go mentioning scripture and turn around in other threads speaking against GOD. True HYPOCRITE, but just as long as you get your point across,right? If your so concerned with other peole's taxes i.e. the "rich" why dont you write a seperate check at the end of each quarter and send it to the i.r.s.? Libs such as yourself love spending money, so long as it isn't yours. Sorry son, but I'm Taxed Enough Already.

"There you go mentioning scripture and turn around in other threads speaking against GOD."

-Religion is t-bagger ethos and I was using it to point out the hypocrisy of what that person was saying. I am a Secular Humanist which means I am nontheist.
Therefore, I take very seriously the idea that no deity will save us; we must save ourselves.
I believe we are living the only life we'll have, in the only world we know about. The responsibility for the choices we make are ours and ours alone.

You wanna talk Reagan? Here are some quotes from an article in The Washington Monthly titled: "Reagan's Liberal Legacy":

"A sober review of Reagan's presidency doesn't yield the seamlessly conservative record being peddled today. Federal government expanded on his watch. The conservative desire to outlaw abortion was never seriously pursued. Reagan broke with the hardliners in his administration and compromised with the Soviets on arms control. His assault on entitlements never materialized; instead he saved Social Security in 1983. And he repeatedly ignored the fundamental conservative dogma that taxes should never be raised."

All of you Reaganites, check this out LMAO!:

"The following year, Reagan made one of the greatest ideological about-faces in the history of the presidency, agreeing to a $165 billion bailout of Social Security.

In almost every way, the bailout flew in the face of conservative ideology. It dramatically increased payroll taxes on employees and employers, brought a whole new class of recipients--new federal workers--into the system, and, for the first time, taxed Social Security benefits, and did so in the most liberal way: only those of upper-income recipients. (As an added affront to conservatives, the tax wasn't indexed to inflation, meaning that more and more people have gradually had to pay it over time.)

By expanding rather than scaling back entitlements, Reagan--and Newt Gingrich after him--demonstrated that conservatives could not and would not launch a frontal assault on Social Security, effectively conceding that these cherished New Deal programs were central features of the American polity."

-Written by Joshua Green (emphasis mine)


"If your so concerned with other peole's taxes i.e. the "rich" why dont you write a seperate check at the end of each quarter and send it to the i.r.s.?"

-WTF is this? WTF are you talking about?!?

Over the past two years, ExxonMobil reported $9,910 million in pretax U.S. profits. But it enjoyed so many tax subsidies that its federal income tax bill was only $39 million—a tax rate of only 0.4 percent.

Why in the world would I allow this to happen when the lost revenue in taxes comes out of my paycheck?!?
The thimble full of blood it takes for you to get a hard-on has killed your pea sized brain. Why else would you say something so stunningly stupid? But considering this is your candidate for president LOL!:
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusive...nterview-video

Here is just a sampling of Tea Party candidate Michelle Bachmann, this is who RobbThrobbless thinks is worthy of the Presidency :

With Congresswoman Michele Bachmann joining the 2012 GOP clown show, she's certain to crank up the crazy even higher.

For a glimpse at the kind of nonsense we can expect to come spewing from her mouth, here's a look back at some of the greatest hits from would-be President Bachmann:

"If we took away the minimum wage — if conceivably it was gone — we could potentially virtually wipe out unemployment completely because we would be able to offer jobs at whatever level." —Michele Bachmann

"There are hundreds and hundreds of scientists, many of them holding Nobel Prizes, who believe in intelligent design." —Michele Bachmann

"Carbon dioxide is portrayed as harmful. But there isn't even one study that can be produced that shows that carbon dioxide is a harmful gas." —Michele Bachmann

"(Gay marriage) is probably the biggest issue that will impact our state and our nation in the last, at least, thirty years. I am not understating that." —Michele Bachmann

"I think if we give Glenn Beck the numbers, he can solve this [the national debt]." —Michele Bachmann

Glen Beck solving the naional debt?!? LMAO Stay tuned cuz theres a lot more!!

Rodram - your logic is the same that Chavez used to coax the poor in Venezuela to vote for him. Now that he is in power EVERYONE is screwed. Kinda like Obama is doing to us. Originally Posted by satexasguy

Ok, so just what did Chavez say and do specifically that resembles what policies Obama has introduced? Exactly how is everyone screwed?

How does Venezuela parallel America such that you can make such comparisons?

Allow me to clarify: I'm calling YOU a stinking liar, so now prove me wrong or you will be just another brain-dead zombie conservative.