What is the logic behind FBSM without extras?

You see numerous ladies advertising $140+ for a 45 minute FBSM without extras.

If I'm going for top quality massage without extras why wouldn't I simply pay $70 per hr for a reputable top quality licensed LMT?

Why the hell would I ever pay double just to have someone in their undies rub on my back?

Some of you guys are gladly paying this. What is the logic behind your choice?

I've not seen these ads or subsequent reviews. Links?

The problem is we have new mongers that are willing to pay these prices for little or no service.

I have often wondered the same thing. I used to do FBSM without extras, and there were plenty willing to pay me as opposed to a licensed LMT. *Shrugs* maybe aome of the men like the privacy and possible chance of more if they wanted it, or that the lady is dressed/massages a little more sensually than a traditional LMT?

I've not seen these ads or subsequent reviews. Links? Originally Posted by JohnnyYanks

For starters this ad currently posted. It took a whopping 30 seconds to find.

She specifically states in her showcase "Massage ONLY" for $140. She also seems quite popular. Why?

http://www.eccie.net/providers.php?do=view&id=326658

You see numerous ladies advertising $140+ for a 45 minute FBSM without extras.

If I'm going for top quality massage without extras why wouldn't I simply pay $70 per hr for a reputable top quality licensed LMT?

Why the hell would I ever pay double just to have someone in their undies rub on my back?

Some of you guys are gladly paying this. What is the logic behind your choice? Originally Posted by Lightesttouch

Blue ball fetish

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Why do guys go to strip clubs if they're not likely to get extras in VIP or outside the club?

It's all about the experience, sight & presence in both cases. If all I want is relief from sore muscles, yeah, there's legit LMTs. If all I want is to get off, I can just watch some porn and perform some self-service. When I lay down cash for an FBSM, I'm spending money for a different experience, usually both tactile and visual with a lady I like looking at and talking to.

WRT to the OP's specific example, Exoticsweetie's one of the L1,MT ladies. Some of the reviewers just put FBSM and nothing else in the activities list, but mentioned the finish (HJ) in the ROS.

I've paid 140 before for an hour of massage,mutual touch,HJTC and enjoyable conversation with an attractive lady. If my session didn't have a nice massage, mutual touching, conversation, and a happy ending from a lady pleasing to my eyes, then perhaps I'd see the point to the value/service/price complaint.

For guys in committed relationships, having another woman's hands, lips or other body parts on his cawk might feel like cheating, where the "massage only" session doesn't cross the line into disloyalty in his mind.

$140/hr might be worth it for that kind of "safe straying" that doesn't cross the line for a guy with an SO.

(9:49pm edit: Perhaps I wasn't the type of person being addressed by the OP, but I got the impression that the *real* question being asked was "Why are dudes paying more 3 digits and not getting FS?". I decided to answer both the literal question and the implied one.)

There might be those advertising high priced massages with no extras but I seldom see a review. I also don't see the logic either considering that the AMP's are on fire now. Big time money is being spent daily. There are a couple of places that take a day or two to be seen. I often ask myself why I drop $160.00 but at the end of the day it's a safe bet after reading all of the 100% yes reviews. Other's I've communicated with don't have the references needed to see some of the FS providers. We respect the screening process but do not want to spend money on second and third choices in order to see our first pick down the road. We respect your screening process but that's the logic. On a side note there are also a lot of rumors that many independent ladies get upset when they are asked to provide a reference because a John is seeing someone else. Whether or not that is a fact is irrelevant. Perception is reality.

On a side note there are also a lot of rumors that many independent ladies get upset when they are asked to provide a reference because a John is seeing someone else. Whether or not that is a fact is irrelevant. Perception is reality. Originally Posted by Treetop78759

Well, I rely 100% on indy references since I've never had a p411 account or any other reference service. I've never once had a provider get upset with me for using them as a reference. (And, yes, I've gone back to see providers that have previously given me references several times.) Sometimes we even discuss the other providers I've seen, so they obviously don't mind.

The good providers all understand that we are not their boyfriends or sugar daddies. We are customers. Most of us see multiple providers and they see many clients. It's understood and just part of the job for them. Any provider who gets upset when hearing "her" john is seeing someone else is simply BSC and needs to get the hell out of the business. I certainly would run away from any provider with a reputation like that!

Its also for married dudes who can 'cheat' on their wives/SO and not actually have sex..... but I would bet a dollar to a donut if their wives found out that would still be a a world of shit..\

For starters this ad currently posted. It took a whopping 30 seconds to find.

She specifically states in her showcase "Massage ONLY" for $140. She also seems quite popular. Why?

http://www.eccie.net/providers.php?do=view&id=326658 Originally Posted by Lightesttouch

But she does provide extras. I suspect by "massage only" she means not full service.

Yet some that make that declaration also sometimes break it.

Do you have another example or is this it?

But she does provide extras. I suspect by "massage only" she means not full service Originally Posted by JohnnyYanks

I'm not an FBSM guy, but I always assumed that "massage only" included (at least) a "massage" of the client's genitals. A scan through FBSM provider reviews seems to verify this.

Note that massaging a guy's body for money is 100% legal, but massaging a guy's penis for money is 100% illegal (at least in Texas). I think "massage only" is just code for LE-conscious FBSM providers who want "plausible deniability".

I thought that was obvious, but I guess it wasn't.

For starters this ad currently posted. It took a whopping 30 seconds to find.

She specifically states in her showcase "Massage ONLY" for $140. She also seems quite popular. Why?

http://www.eccie.net/providers.php?do=view&id=326658 Originally Posted by Lightesttouch

Obviously a HJTC is included with a massage. Massage only means no FS or BBBJ.

I'm not an FBSM guy, but I always assumed that "massage only" included (at least) a "massage" of the client's genitals. A scan through FBSM provider reviews seems to verify this.

Note that massaging a guy's body for money is 100% legal, but massaging a guy's penis for money is 100% illegal (at least in Texas). I think "massage only" is just code for LE-conscious FBSM providers who want "plausible deniability".

I thought that was obvious, but I guess it wasn't. Originally Posted by astronut

a) Not obvious because FBSM by itself is not admitting to anything illegal and posting "Massage Only" on a fuck board won't make one bit of difference in terms of LE attention or liability.

b) The provider Jade who posted in this thread confirmed straight out that she has provided FBSM Without extras and plenty of gents happy to pay more for it. If you're trying to state that FBSM without extras doesn't exist then obviously you're wrong.

c) I have seen it discussed and posted many a time although I'm not going to go digging to prove the point. Hell I have even seen guys post looking for straight up massage only.
If you need proof of that then all you have to do is look at currently posted ISO's.

Since you guys are too lazy to do the research here you go http://eccie.net/showthread.php?t=1829485

This guy is looking for straight up LMT non FBSM on a fuck board with no extras so of course he'll pay a much higher price here than for a reputable LMT in the RW. You can be sure most of the PM's he'll get won't actually be licensed although they'll claim to be.

Maybe you should read the reviews and comments...she DOES provide extra service so THAT's why they pay. I wouldn't(as I would never DATY a provider), but to each his/her own. She even gets extra $ so I knew it couldn't be massage only lol.