Trump right to question Biden dealings with Ukraine, despite Dem criticism

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/pete...s-with-ukraine
As Congress and the White House wrestle over a whistleblower’s complaint against President Trump, the story took a new turn late Friday when the Wall Street Journal reported that, in a July phone call, Trump “repeatedly pressured the president of Ukraine” to investigate the dealings of Joe Biden’s family in Ukraine.
Trump’s call is reportedly the source of a complaint by a whistleblower against the president that has sparked a furor among Democrats in Congress, who are demanding to see the complaint.
If, as multiple news organizations are reporting, the whistleblower’s complaint centers on Ukraine, there is strong evidence that it relates to President Trump’s urging the Ukrainian government to investigate Hunter Biden, the former vice president’s son.

The story behind that story is itself worthy of serious scrutiny.

The proposed investigation involves Hunter Biden’s involvement with a controversial Ukrainian natural gas company while then-Vice President Biden was overseeing America’s Ukraine policy.
Critics of the president have accused Trump of attempting to “extort” Ukrainian officials for “dirt” on Biden, the current front-runner for the Democratic nomination to run against Trump next year.
But why would Ukraine have dirt on Joe Biden? For answers, one must look at Burisma, the Ukrainian gas company which, until earlier this year, employed Hunter Biden.
In April 2014, Hunter Biden agreed to join Burisma’s board of directors, ostensibly to advise on legal issues, The New Yorker reported. Biden had no known expertise on the natural gas industry, but Burisma was certainly in need of help.
Earlier that month, British officials had frozen the London bank accounts of Burisma’s owner, Mykola Zlochevsky, and soon after, Ukrainian officials opened their own corruption investigation into Burisma, the Kyiv Post in Ukraine reported.
Hunter Biden helped to recruit a legal team for Burisma, including former Obama administration Justice Department official John Buretta and several American consulting firms, The New York Times reported.
The younger Biden was well compensated for his efforts. Records obtained by the Government Accountability Institute show he was paid as much as $83,333 per month for his work at Burisma.
Hunter Biden claims he had no role in the investigation of the company, and that he never spoke about it with his father – but the facts show a troubling overlap with the Obama administration’s actions in Ukraine.
On April 16, 2014, White House records show that Devon Archer, Hunter Biden’s business partner, made a private visit to the White House for a meeting with Vice President Biden. Five days later, on April 21, Joe Biden landed in Kiev for a series of high-level meetings with Ukrainian officials.
Soon the United States and the International Monetary Fund would be pumping more than $1 billion into the Ukrainian economy, as I wrote in the New York Post.

The next day, there was a public announcement that Archer had been asked to join the board of Burisma. Three weeks after that, on May 13, it was officially announced that Hunter Biden would join, too. Like Hunter Biden, Archer had no background or experience in the energy sector.
In March 2016, Ukrainian officials fired Viktor Shokin, the controversial prosecutor general whose office was overseeing the investigation into Burisma, The New York Times reported.
Six months later, the Burisma case was dropped entirely, the Kyiv Post reported.
According to Joe Biden himself, the former vice president played a key role in the prosecutor’s dismissal.

In March 2016, the then-vice president threatened to withhold $1 billion in U.S. loans if Shokin was not fired, according to Biden, who recounted the exchange in a 2018 speech: “I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a b----. He got fired.”
While the propriety of Trump’s call to the Ukrainian president is certainly questionable and worthy of inquiry, the investigation he was hoping for certainly seems warranted on its own merits.

Peter Schweizer is the president of the Government Accountability Institute and the author of several books including "Secret Empires: How the American Political Class Hides Corruption and Enriches Family and Friends" and "Clinton Cash" (Harper Collins 2015).


Hypocrisy of the DPST's - let's support Biden for POTUS and not worry about his son's scandal in ukraine - and biden being in on the take
But - we will pillory Trump for trying to investigate the corruption - gotta protect our own and Smear Trump - not worried about America - just Get Trump!!!

“I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a b----. He got fired.”


i bet Biden's microballs swelled up to the size of chickpeas when he said that ..


now it's going to bury his bid to be the Democratic nominee. this is largely why the Democrats are trying to use the Ukraine call to impeach Trump, it's a desperate bit to avoid the truth about Quid Pro Joe and his greedy bastard boy. forget the Crowdstrike stuff, it's Biden and Obama who abused power by forcing out the Ukraine State prosecutor.



but let's not forget Crowdstrike. it doesn't matter if there is a server in Ukraine or not, what it does is bring back up the fact that the DNC did not allow the FBI direct access to their US based servers after they were compromised. the FBI was provided an "image". the press will claim this is proof that Russia was behind the access but this is media spin. Crowdstrike, as the only people with direct access, could easily alter whatever they want to make it appear access came from Russia or Ukraine or Uranus and the FBI has little way to disprove it after the fact.



now about that server in Ukraine. it might exist, or did at one time. in IT many companies use mirror sites in geographically diverse locations for disaster recovery purposes. it's s common practice. in fact many publicly traded companies across many industries not just financial are required to have disaster recovery plans. the DNC's own shady dealings with various foreign nationals like those Pakistanis that basically fled the country when all this went down make it possible mirror sites did exist outside the US. and those mirror sites may not have been known to the DNC at all. meaning .. foreign espionage. imagine that!



The Exploding DNC IT Scandal Is As Crazy As Fiction

https://www.forbes.com/sites/frankmi.../#5479490c4414


BAHHAHAAAAAAA

“I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a b----. He got fired.”


i bet Biden's microballs swelled up to the size of chickpeas when he said that ..


now it's going to bury his bid to be the Democratic nominee. this is largely why the Democrats are trying to use the Ukraine call to impeach Trump, it's a desperate bit to avoid the truth about Quid Pro Joe and his greedy bastard boy. forget the Crowdstrike stuff, it's Biden and Obama who abused power by forcing out the Ukraine State prosecutor.



but let's not forget Crowdstrike. it doesn't matter if there is a server in Ukraine or not, what it does is bring back up the fact that the DNC did not allow the FBI direct access to their US based servers after they were compromised. the FBI was provided an "image". the press will claim this is proof that Russia was behind the access but this is media spin. Crowdstrike, as the only people with direct access, could easily alter whatever they want to make it appear access came from Russia or Ukraine or Uranus and the FBI has little way to disprove it after the fact.



now about that server in Ukraine. it might exist, or did at one time. in IT many companies use mirror sites in geographically diverse locations for disaster recovery purposes. it's s common practice. in fact many publicly traded companies across many industries not just financial are required to have disaster recovery plans. the DNC's own shady dealings with various foreign nationals like those Pakistanis that basically fled the country when all this went down make it possible mirror sites did exist outside the US. and those mirror sites may not have been known to the DNC at all. meaning .. foreign espionage. imagine that!



The Exploding DNC IT Scandal Is As Crazy As Fiction

https://www.forbes.com/sites/frankmi.../#5479490c4414


BAHHAHAAAAAAA Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

I agree

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/pete...s-with-ukraine
As Congress and the White House wrestle over a whistleblower’s complaint against President Trump, the story took a new turn late Friday when the Wall Street Journal reported that, in a July phone call, Trump “repeatedly pressured the president of Ukraine” to investigate the dealings of Joe Biden’s family in Ukraine.
Trump’s call is reportedly the source of a complaint by a whistleblower against the president that has sparked a furor among Democrats in Congress, who are demanding to see the complaint.
If, as multiple news organizations are reporting, the whistleblower’s complaint centers on Ukraine, there is strong evidence that it relates to President Trump’s urging the Ukrainian government to investigate Hunter Biden, the former vice president’s son.

The story behind that story is itself worthy of serious scrutiny.

The proposed investigation involves Hunter Biden’s involvement with a controversial Ukrainian natural gas company while then-Vice President Biden was overseeing America’s Ukraine policy.
Critics of the president have accused Trump of attempting to “extort” Ukrainian officials for “dirt” on Biden, the current front-runner for the Democratic nomination to run against Trump next year.
But why would Ukraine have dirt on Joe Biden? For answers, one must look at Burisma, the Ukrainian gas company which, until earlier this year, employed Hunter Biden.
In April 2014, Hunter Biden agreed to join Burisma’s board of directors, ostensibly to advise on legal issues, The New Yorker reported. Biden had no known expertise on the natural gas industry, but Burisma was certainly in need of help.
Earlier that month, British officials had frozen the London bank accounts of Burisma’s owner, Mykola Zlochevsky, and soon after, Ukrainian officials opened their own corruption investigation into Burisma, the Kyiv Post in Ukraine reported.
Hunter Biden helped to recruit a legal team for Burisma, including former Obama administration Justice Department official John Buretta and several American consulting firms, The New York Times reported.
The younger Biden was well compensated for his efforts. Records obtained by the Government Accountability Institute show he was paid as much as $83,333 per month for his work at Burisma.
Hunter Biden claims he had no role in the investigation of the company, and that he never spoke about it with his father – but the facts show a troubling overlap with the Obama administration’s actions in Ukraine.
On April 16, 2014, White House records show that Devon Archer, Hunter Biden’s business partner, made a private visit to the White House for a meeting with Vice President Biden. Five days later, on April 21, Joe Biden landed in Kiev for a series of high-level meetings with Ukrainian officials.
Soon the United States and the International Monetary Fund would be pumping more than $1 billion into the Ukrainian economy, as I wrote in the New York Post.

The next day, there was a public announcement that Archer had been asked to join the board of Burisma. Three weeks after that, on May 13, it was officially announced that Hunter Biden would join, too. Like Hunter Biden, Archer had no background or experience in the energy sector.
In March 2016, Ukrainian officials fired Viktor Shokin, the controversial prosecutor general whose office was overseeing the investigation into Burisma, The New York Times reported.
Six months later, the Burisma case was dropped entirely, the Kyiv Post reported.
According to Joe Biden himself, the former vice president played a key role in the prosecutor’s dismissal.

In March 2016, the then-vice president threatened to withhold $1 billion in U.S. loans if Shokin was not fired, according to Biden, who recounted the exchange in a 2018 speech: “I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a b----. He got fired.”
While the propriety of Trump’s call to the Ukrainian president is certainly questionable and worthy of inquiry, the investigation he was hoping for certainly seems warranted on its own merits.

Peter Schweizer is the president of the Government Accountability Institute and the author of several books including "Secret Empires: How the American Political Class Hides Corruption and Enriches Family and Friends" and "Clinton Cash" (Harper Collins 2015).


Hypocrisy of the DPST's - let's support Biden for POTUS and not worry about his son's scandal in ukraine - and biden being in on the take
But - we will pillory Trump for trying to investigate the corruption - gotta protect our own and Smear Trump - not worried about America - just Get Trump!!! Originally Posted by oeb11

The three lawmakers — Oleg Voloshyn, Valentyn Nalyvaichenko and Andriy Derkach — represent different political parties and claim they’re acting out of their own desire to establish the truth and help Ukraine.

However, their backgrounds raise suspicions that they are acting on behalf of bigger players in scandal: an exiled Ukrainian oligarch and a former top prosecutor who supplied questionable information to people close to Trump.

By Oksana Grytsenko

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-pol...?cn-reloaded=1

By Oksana Grytsenko

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-pol...?cn-reloaded=1 Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

why thank you valued poster for proving exactly why Trump was right to be wary of the incoming Ukraine president and withhold funds until he had a chance to discuss corruption with him.

impeachment case closed!


BAHHAHAAAAAAAAAA

More deep state conspiracy bullshit. Do any of you deep staters have the slightest idea when the IG report will be made public. Fox reported it was coming yesterday and alas another big lie.

Want to know the truth? Have the fat lying bastard make the counterintelligence files available to the judiciary committee. He could stop obstructing witnesses depositions and set his fat lying ass down for a deposition himself. None of that will happen because he’s lying.

The Russian investigation will continue long after that fat lying bastard is out of office. The Ukraine shakedown and selling the Kurds to Erdogan is moving the public towards impeach and remove. No deep state bullshit will save the trump party. I’m betting Pence is your guy before long. Rumor is the chicken shit Senate led by Moscow Mitch is kicking around a secret vote at the end of the Impeachment trial of Donald J. Trump.

Viva La Whistleblowers

Still fixated on the russians - while Your HRC condemns Tulsi Gabbard as a Russian operative - and how did she know that to be a "FACT"???

None so blind - J666.

Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

Yeah, you read the Kiev Post, and from the Ukrainian perspective, it looks like Trump and Giuliani were on a wild goose chase. Hunter Biden on the Burisma board of directors stunk to high heaven, but the evidence that Joe Biden did something wrong is pretty tenuous.

I still like my conspiracy theory, in Jaxson's thread, better than the others -- that you can blame all this on Giuliani and his two cohorts Parnas and Fruman and absolve Trump. But it doesn't entirely stand up after what came out this past week.

More deep state conspiracy bullshit. Do any of you deep staters have the slightest idea when the IG report will be made public. Fox reported it was coming yesterday and alas another big lie.

Want to know the truth? Have the fat lying bastard make the counterintelligence files available to the judiciary committee. He could stop obstructing witnesses depositions and set his fat lying ass down for a deposition himself. None of that will happen because he’s lying.

The Russian investigation will continue long after that fat lying bastard is out of office. The Ukraine shakedown and selling the Kurds to Erdogan is moving the public towards impeach and remove. No deep state bullshit will save the trump party. I’m betting Pence is your guy before long. Rumor is the chicken shit Senate led by Moscow Mitch is kicking around a secret vote at the end of the Impeachment trial of Donald J. Trump.

Viva La Whistleblowers Originally Posted by Jaxson66

Be careful what you wish for. Now that Elizabeth Warren is the front runner for the Democratic nomination, these conspiracy theories are part of an existential struggle for survival of the American way of life against a socialist onslaught. I'm stone cold serious.

Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

if the Kyiv Post says so.

More deep state conspiracy bullshit. Do any of you deep staters have the slightest idea when the IG report will be made public. Fox reported it was coming yesterday and alas another big lie.

Want to know the truth? Have the fat lying bastard make the counterintelligence files available to the judiciary committee. He could stop obstructing witnesses depositions and set his fat lying ass down for a deposition himself. None of that will happen because he’s lying.

The Russian investigation will continue long after that fat lying bastard is out of office. The Ukraine shakedown and selling the Kurds to Erdogan is moving the public towards impeach and remove. No deep state bullshit will save the trump party. I’m betting Pence is your guy before long. Rumor is the chicken shit Senate led by Moscow Mitch is kicking around a secret vote at the end of the Impeachment trial of Donald J. Trump.

Viva La Whistleblowers Originally Posted by Jaxson66

rumor has it Mueller's report will be released soon ..


BAHHAHHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAA

Be careful what you wish for. Now that Elizabeth Warren is the front runner for the Democratic nomination, these conspiracy theories are part of an existential struggle for survival of the American way of life against a socialist onslaught. I'm stone cold serious. Originally Posted by Tiny

Just imagine a Warren and Sanders ticket. Bernie gets to set the rules of the Senate.

Yeah, you read the Kiev Post, and from the Ukrainian perspective, it looks like Trump and Giuliani were on a wild goose chase. Hunter Biden on the Burisma board of directors stunk to high heaven, but the evidence that Joe Biden did something wrong is pretty tenuous.

I still like my conspiracy theory, in Jaxson's thread, better than the others -- that you can blame all this on Giuliani and his two cohorts Parnas and Fruman and absolve Trump. But it doesn't entirely stand up after what came out this past week. Originally Posted by Tiny

The stink keeps filling the air. The appearance of impropriety was tenuous with Biden. Unethical at worst.

The blatant challenge to the emoluments clause with the POTUS is a full frontal assault.

I would say there is the proverbial iceberg under the surface. Involving Turkey. Ukraine. Russia. And . . . IRAN!



Okay. Okay. That last one was a joke. Or . . . was it?

Just imagine a Warren and Sanders ticket. Bernie gets to set the rules of the Senate.

Originally Posted by eccieuser9500