Some advices for the rookie

Hi all,
I'm new to this and here's my questions:
1. Whenever I try to set an apt, they always ask for references from at least 2 of ECCIE providers (which I have none). How do I go about getting references without joining the P411 because it requires credit card for verification?
2. Should I start with BP massages, write reviews and build my profile from there?

Any suggestions would be appreciated! Thanks in advance!

Um most women here won't accept references from women found on bp.
Your best bet is to post in the ISO forum asking for women who see noobs.
That being said.... I HIGHLY recommend a p411 account. I don't know why you'd be so averse to getting one.
I have a lifetime membership myself. Been a member going on four years and had no problems getting screened.
Damn I should get an endorsement fee from G every time I post this it's been often enough.

I understand the ladies would be concern about their safety if their clients are not verified. Money is not an issue for joining P411. It's the wifey who can find out about the charge in the bank statement that worries me. Thanks for your reply though!

you can also pay via non-postal money order then mail it. you buy the MO with cash, no wife trail

I believe you can also pay for p411 with a Prepaid Visa Vanilla (not green dot) card, I seem to remember a thread where Gina said that was an option.

May want to check into it, call them to verify or use their online help chat system

A provider can also vouch for you if she's a member too. Then use the alternative methods previously suggested to make payments.

Find a newbie friendly provider, start building references, write reviews, and have fun

I agree with out of bounds. P411 account really helps.

some of the older gals are newbie friendly and even accept S&H Green Stamps (with proper ID)

I'm jus sayin'...

Harry - all you have to do is find 2 providers on p411 that are newbie friendly ... see each of them once then you can apply for a 6 month free membership and you don't have to provide any personal information to p411 ... your membership is approved through the 2 providers you saw.

Harry - all you have to do is find 2 providers on p411 that are newbie friendly ... see each of them once then you can apply for a 6 month free membership and you don't have to provide any personal information to p411 ... your membership is approved through the 2 providers you saw. Originally Posted by Brooke Wilde

That's what I did....except I got fucked out of the 6 free months....The special came out like days after I paid and it wasn't retro. Pissed.

@boardman...you got one for that?

The OP should remember to download porn. He is not equipped to be in this hobby. His lack of interest in using the Search tab is appalling.

I've never been on 411 and have no trouble seeing whomever I want. See a few newbie friendly write good reviews and you have refs, make initial contact through pm so they can see you are a serious hobb. Good luck.

It's just like credit... Let me ask you something... Would you loan money out to someone you just met, orrrr..... loan money to someone everybody else can verify whom is legit...? ... You be the judge...

Use your wife and her sister for the required two references.