The effect of special relationships on prices

Let me say at the outset that the largest part of my experience is with spas, studios and massage places (including by girls working independently). However, I suspect that the variations in practice in regard to fees, tips and acceptance of gifts would also apply to all forms of service providers.

I have experienced over the years a fair amount of lowering of prices (fees, tips, offered cash gifts) by girls where a relationship or something beyond the normal provider/customer situation has developed. It doesn't always work out that way. But here's some of what has happened to me (and my wallet).

1. A girl who charged for everything--even for specific extras. But we also went out a lot and took some trips "for free". Finally, after about five years, there were no more charges. That took so long--and during that time she charged for virtually every "extra", so that I put her into the category of "full chargers".

2. A girl who was a co-owner of a shop. So as soon as things got romantic, she refused all tips, and she would only charge half the door fee (for the other owner). So I put her in the category of "low chargers".

3. A girl who was just an employee and charged standard fees and tips (but never for any extra service). However, we spent many hours with each other outside the shop, almost daily, and all "for free". I put her in the category of "normal chargers," but we did develop a real boyfriend-girlfriend relationship, and I never felt that money was a large part of that.

4. A girl who would accept only the door fee plus standard tip (but not for any particular extra services), but gave extraordinary service and saw me every time I visited her city--if I were there two days, I would see her twice each day, and so four times in two days; yet she turned down completely a very large monetary gift offered with no strings attached (in fact, I was leaving for at least six months). So I put her in the category of "low chargers"--normal, but low in relation to what I tried to give her.

5. A girl who would charge the normal fee and tip (but never an added tip for FS or any other extra); however (as soon I became a customer she particularly liked to see) she started charging for only about 2/3 of the time that I was with her. She never said anything about this, but it happened every time. So I put her in the category of "low chargers".

6. A girl who sees me exclusively but is saving for her future. So she charges me for normal fees and tips, plus an additional monthly amount, but not for outside activities--maybe a couple of restaurants each month. So I put her in the category of "full chargers".

To me, a "full charger" is a girl who charges for everything she can get, to have as much money as possible from the time we spend together--even though occasionally we do things on the outside "for free". I think that people in this relationship can genuinely like each other, but there is usually a mutual recognition that without the monetary aspect, the parties would go their separate ways.

A "normal charger" expects the customary fees and tips (but not added tips for added services), but spends enough outside, uncompensated time so that I don't feel that our relationship is primarily or even partly for the money--she could make the same money seeing other people and has all the business she wants. Rather, she needs some funds for school and family, and beyond that she doesn't expect anything.

A "low charger" is someone who gives up fee and tip income or large gifts, as (I suspect) her way of making clear that she cares about me or her way of considering that what we are doing is romantic or special in some way.

None of this necessarily relates to a boyfriend/girlfriend or sugar daddy relationship. I think every relationship is different--and in many cases there really is no relationship beyond that of regular provider and good customer.

I frequently see the fees and tips for some of these girls posted by reviewers on the boards at a level that is considerably more than I pay for the same girl. In those cases, I think the reasons relate to the types of things mentioned in this post.

I would say that your entire post, could be classified under "Money", Vf.

Your different categories could then be classified as relative love of money.

Some girls are very money hungry and then some others are not. I prefer the second group, but exceptions always arise!

Even if a hot girl falls in the first group, but provides good service, you may elect to endure her attitude for the supply of nooky. We know it's wrong, but do it anyway.


Sometimes, we delude ourselves and believe that we can change them!

I had a couple of initial reactions to the OP:

1. This guy is much more attractive to women in general than I am.
2. He has waaaaay too much time on his hands.
3. He has way more luck than I do.
4. He doesn't have much of a family life...either with an SO or other family.

There is a lot of truth in what Fast Gunn says above. Yet, I think that sometimes the nature of the relationship between provider and customer can affect monetary issues (which, as we all know, can go up and well as down as relationships get closer).

Of the six girls offered as examples in my start of this thread, number three proved to be a real girlfriend. She quit the massage business, and I never paid her another penny. Yet, we stayed as boyfriend and girlfriend for another year or two and are still good friends. I think in that case, it can be argued that the relationship had NO effect, one way or the other, on monetary issues. That's why I called her a "normal charger".

And certainly I did not mean to imply that "low chargers" mostly do things because of romance or other special attraction--although it sometimes happens. Maybe there is just a mutual liking and a feeling that two people are relating to each other as real people and not just as provider and customer.

LOL

I had a couple of initial reactions to the OP:

1. This guy is much more attractive to women in general than I am.
2. He has waaaaay too much time on his hands.
3. He has way more luck than I do.
4. He doesn't have much of a family life...either with an SO or other family.

Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

1. I never considered myself especially attractive to women, but I do relate to some of them.

2. I would be a lot better at my job if I had not spent so much time on these activities. I do have a full time job.

3. Maybe I have had some luck. If I like a girl, I can usually gradually press the issue into some kind of special relationship without scaring her away or offending her. But I have had some total failures with some spectacularly hot women.

4. You would be surprised. I am married with lots of kids and grandkids. Never divorced.

4. You would be surprised. I am married with lots of kids and grandkids. Never divorced.
Originally Posted by vngirlfan

You're right...I'm surprised.

I have one....ONE that I low charge...the rest is the normal charge...I have my reasons.

I'm not sure this is a fair analysis/discussion for escorts in general. It seems to me based on the above and other posts by you (forgive me if I a got a case of mistaken identity) your objective is to turn these women into more than "hourly girls" -- not making a judgement good or bad -- but of course it is going to be a little different.

I'm not sure this is a fair analysis/discussion for escorts in general. It seems to me based on the above and other posts by you (forgive me if I a got a case of mistaken identity) your objective is to turn these women into more than "hourly girls" -- not making a judgement good or bad -- but of course it is going to be a little different. Originally Posted by atlcomedy

Well, atlcomedy, I had thought (and disclosed my limited experience) that escorts might have similar practices as to money and particular relationships. But you may be right that the situation is different with respect to women whose primary role in respect to customers is massages. Also, in the majority of the examples I gave at the start of this thread, a relation beyond "hourly girls" was something that I sought.

So, if this Main Discussion Forum is intended to be focused on escorts and their customers--providers and hobbyists--then I probably should not have posted here. Maybe the only place for this kind of topic (if anywhere) is in a regional or city Locker Room.

My venture onto the "national stage" seems to have been a bust.

Well, atlcomedy, I had thought (and disclosed my limited experience) that escorts might have similar practices as to money and particular relationships. But you may be right that the situation is different with respect to women whose primary role in respect to customers is massages. Also, in the majority of the examples I gave at the start of this thread, a relation beyond "hourly girls" was something that I sought.

So, if this Main Discussion Forum is intended to be focused on escorts and their customers--providers and hobbyists--then I probably should not have posted here. Maybe the only place for this kind of topic (if anywhere) is in a regional or city Locker Room.

My venture onto the "national stage" seems to have been a bust. Originally Posted by vngirlfan

A don't think it is a bust & I hope my comments don't deter you...

I don't have a ton of experience with massage providers. I guess my response, massage or regular escorts, was just more along the lines of "well of course"

Even though you say you aren't changing the relationship into more like SB/SD, I think you may be regardless of what you call it. Almost by definition "special" is special. As a result compensation, as one element of the relationship, will change -- as will the other elements.

Thanks for your comments, atlcomedy. I didn't take them negatively. You made good points.

A don't think it is a bust & I hope my comments don't deter you...

I don't have a ton of experience with massage providers. I guess my response, massage or regular escorts, was just more along the lines of "well of course"

Even though you say you aren't changing the relationship into more like SB/SD, I think you may be regardless of what you call it. Almost by definition "special" is special. As a result compensation, as one element of the relationship, will change -- as will the other elements. Originally Posted by atlcomedy

Well, if I were independently wealthy, I would not give a rats behind about the money...it's ALL good!

Unfortunately, I,like everyone else, have bills to pay and a family to support so my rates are what my rates are. My business is that...a business and I have to conduct it as such even though i wishi t could be different sometimes.

I am not judging the OP one way or another...he posted his thoughts. Here is MY humble little response.

I agree with Vnurse as far as the business aspect of this arena. And paying a fee is paying a fee regardless of where half is going. But we are in a very human industry, so I can understand what general direction you come from as well, Mr. Girlfan.

I have friends that I spend time with off the clock as well, but that was only after showing a general respect for my time and company. They have repeated and tipped generously, and our encounters have become one of a kind. One day, I may treat for our meal, or oblige a movie or bowling when time permits. I have friends that I have attended funerals and weddings with because they needed the support. Repeat clientèle are gems to any lady, and if the ladies felt that you were that invaluable as a client, that is just what you deserve.

I admit, categorizing ladies by how much you have to pay them versus the level of service IN THIS WAY is kind of odd. But I think every guy does this in their head. He would consider himself lucky to find a certain level of the experience for less money and it's obvious that a lady enjoys being with you.

And also, relating to women does make you attractive, and more so than chiseled good looks.

First, let me say I don't use the hobby as a matchmaking service. Rather I use it as a form of compensated dating with a handful of women I admire and respect for their character and intellect.

That having been said, I have developed a couple of special relationships over time; one with a lady I see fairly regularly and another with a lady I see only a couple of times a year due to scheduling issues. NEITHER of these relationships is the least romantic in nature -- they are friendships, fairly close ones, and I value them highly.

There is non-romantic off-the-clock time spent in pursuits of mutual interests. In the one case, she doubles the length of sessions. Later, she offered me a discount on top of that; but I refused that because (metaphorically speaking) I don't fuck (over) my friends. But, clearly, additional time IS a discount.

So, yes, special relationships can net discounts. But I'm careful about that because these are women I value highly for things outside the bedroom, and rendering the same respect they show me is important.

In addition, they are rather formidable in their own right; and the envelope gives me a certain comfort level so I don't want it to be too thin. :-)

the envelope gives me a certain comfort level so I don't want it to be too thin. :-) Originally Posted by Laurentius

So, stuff the envelope with Washingtons instead of Jacksons. It will be just as thick; but lighter on the wallet.