Ladies with managers

I do understand the dynamics of young women wanting to get out of whatever and falling prey to pimps (in the strongest sense of the term). Once they have been introduced to the scene, they should see many ways to leave the pimp. I would hope the Ladies room on this site would give a reference for ladies to stay, group living, and advise on running a business. The average guy here could offer better advise than most pimps.

If only these girls were hooking up with poor management choices, In order to get career advice.

I don't think that's the incentive.

I don't think the girls with pimps are on the computer much. "Their" ads are usually posted for them.

I don't think the girls with pimps are on the computer much. "Their" ads are usually posted for them. Originally Posted by HoneyRose

I agree but that raises a question for me. Is something done to keep "management" from accessing the ladies only areas?

I agree but that raises a question for me. Is something done to keep "management" from accessing the ladies only areas? Originally Posted by sharktrager

Damned good question. . .

I'm probably going to hang myself writing this, because it doesn't appear to be a popular opinion, but then, I don't have a pimp to write it for me, so you get the real thing, like it or not.

As far as I'm concerned, the issue of pimps in the ladies area is an issue for the ladies to decide. They are the ones who's privacy is breached, and they are the ones who let management into their midst. If you think about it, and consider some of the drama reports that 75% of the providers here are managed, it may turn out that the ladies area is actually another men's area. Think of all those pimps pretending to be women, for the sake of all the other pimps, who are pretending to be women.
I don't care who you are, THAT'S funny, and possibly a SNL skit.

As I type this, CNN is reporting the CL closing of their adult services area, and some idiot is telling us that prostitution isn't a victimless crime because women get beaten up, men get robbed, and of course, he just threw in the children who are kidnapped and sold into slavery. (he's running for congress)

We know that all of those things are crimes, that they are crimes that have victims, and they are crimes regardless of motive. We have the sense to see these things as a separate issue, and not blame a hobby / job that in itself, IS victimless.

For the most part, I'm un moved by the pimp/management issue for the same reason. Let's face it. We have no problem with a woman selling pussy, and Lord knows we encourage all women to give pussy freely, so it seems a bit disingenuous to object when a woman gives it freely to someone so they can sell it. (It's a play on Carlin, I know. Forgive me.)

Abuse, addiction, violence, coercion, codependency, etc. are separate issues, and every person decides for themselves how far they can/should go to help others who have run up against these things, and stand against those who instigate them, not just in the hobby, but in life. Frankly, most of us, myself included, come up short on that score.

My problem with provider management is the same as with a lot of business management. They are bad at it. Instead of making the industry run more smoothly with their "management", they gum up the system, slow down the process, add cost, and make it more difficult to find what we are looking for.
For example...

Poorly written ads that have no relation to the services or personality of the lady they are advertising, waste our time and money. I have heard quite a few times lately, and it has happened to me, that the provider says "I didn't write the ad, sorry, I don't do that." Many times it's obvious that the provider hasn't even read the ad. This seems to be a growing problem.

Management answering the e-mail's, texts, and PMs for a provider cause even more problems than the ads. The growing trend of communicating via these methods makes it easy for management to impersonate the provider, and for some odd reason, it's not as funny as the thought of them doing it to each other in the ladies lounge. When I see a provider, and she has no recollection of a conversation we had by text or PM just hours earlier, I immediately feel like I've been conned. I'm seriously considering not allowing those forms of communication for hobby purposes, as this becomes more common.

Let's face it, many here accept the AMPs, and there is an area on the board to prove it, because when management has a "brick and mortar" address they usually also have some business sense, and it helps.

That's the difference between management and pimps. Pimps are so bad at it, they have to use violence, coercion, deception, and sometimes theft, just to hold their business model together. Those things are separate issues from the job of manager.

Flame away!

I agree, I am sure that mind alterering substances could also play into these things.

On Date-Check, I notice providers being verified by other providers. If both providers have the same management, is it really management verifying itself?

Oh, hell I thought the thread said ladies with Manners!

I was prepared to say my manners are quite nice. LOL

Excellent post PODarkness!

On Date-Check, I notice providers being verified by other providers. If both providers have the same management, is it really management verifying itself? Originally Posted by S-Man

That's very interesting. I hadn't thought of that. P411 doesn't let providers vouche for each others , but you're right, Date Check does.

Having just moved here recently and became a member of this board to find how the game is played here. I find all of the pimp talk on this board extremely humorous. First off the concept of the pimp and manager are one and the same thing. Now I know many of you will take exception to this remark, but everyone is pimped or are being pimped by someone. When you go to work you get paid for what you do. Your boss tells you what to do, he charges more for it than he pays you, typical business model. Therefore if you’re the boss you’re the pimp and if you are an employee you are being pimped!

In my opinion the girls have to answer one easy question? Are you better off in your present environment than before you joined your present employer? If their answer is yes, then the stay, if their answer is know they need to get out of the situation there in. Many will tell you they are happy and many will tell you that they are so much better off and some will leave and usually end up in another management situation of some type.
While many of you seem to think there is a problem to see a pimped girl, it can be but if you really knew how many are in some sort of management arrangement. Example the various studios, and amps (These have been a target of human trafficking charges by the Feds) that you frequent all of the girls are pimped in both of these arrangements. All of the agencies that actually belong here are pimps, and they take some of the girls’ money as a fee. The pimps that you claim are horrible do exactly the same thing. They run a business with employees and set pricing and charge the girls a fee for what they do for them. The fee can be anywhere from 10% to 100% but the girls agreed to it. In many cases these so called pimps are boyfriends, the girls are happy with it just like everyone is even when they get married. The fact that there are divorces, pimp girl break ups are similar. I venture to say 99% of the women on this board are presently or in the past have been pimped. Girls don’t worry I am not going to name names. I leave that for the more righteous people on this board, who in most cases have no clue what they are saying!
Now you are panicked that the girls or pimps find out what is said BCD and you throw around the WK term. Reality is in many cases the ladies own BCD on this site and others or their manager’s do as well, that is very obvious when you read some of the trash talk on this board. To say many of you are very naive is a gross understatement. Many of the girls on here cannot operate a computer, dah someone has to post for them. Many of the girls have bookers another extension of being pimped in the truest technical definition of the term. I have watched girls on this site being banned for defending themselves. I asked myself why they are not allowed to defend themselves? Could it be low and behold they found out something in the BCD? Wow what a dual standard and possibly ruining the money trail or the reviewers lack of balls to defend his review.

I was interested in the beginning of purchasing BCD access and now laugh of why anyone would want it. Your reviews while BCD is blocked you can tell enough by the replies and activities listed in the review, and all of the reviews are one persons opinion at one moment in history. This is not a true representation of your visit with a girl. Do I care if you are a budding writer which most aren’t or you are writing reviews for BCD access free or to get benefits from the providers. I find many other sites much more informative to make a good decision. While I am sure many of you find the truth distasteful and I fully expect you to flame me or some other childish rebuttal. Please feel free to get your rocks off, you only show your lack of common sense.

Its not pimps, its sugardaddies that "Control" some women on the board, by posting there ads, paying there cell bills, is that a pimp? No, its just helping them out, because they are not keeping the escorts money. Or am I wrong? Its pimpish, but not total pimpage.

Its not pimps, its sugardaddies that "Control" some women on the board, by posting there ads, paying there cell bills, is that a pimp? No, its just helping them out, because they are not keeping the escorts money. Or am I wrong? Its pimpish, but not total pimpage. Originally Posted by lilsmurf

There are pimps here but they almost never get called out. Point out a girl might have a pimp and immediately people will say "prove it". Unless the pimp screws up you just can't. There have even been pimps who have described on other sites exactly how they manage their girls on the review boards. I can think of a couple of cases where the guys who have spent a lot of time in the strip club scene can tell you that a specific tattoo is a brand of a specific pimp.

As long as there is a market for services, then there will be those who exploit it. Can we find all the pimps, managers, SugarDaddies, helpers, friends, assistants, etc.? Not likely. We do what we can, we help where it is wanted and accepted and we inform where it is appropriate. This is a fact of the business, we have several "Agencies" or ladies posing as independent who are under some form of management. We work on exposing those, for the good of the community. Some folks need, want, desire, or cede control of their business or lives to others and are not going to change.

We cannot save everyone.

We can save those who are ready. And we can post info to help those when they are ready. If a pimp is threatening someone from the community and is using ECCIE to do so, then we will take an interest in it. If it is off board, we cannot be the hobby police, but you are welcome to alert on it. When you alert, then please do not join them in giving all kinds of info. Give that in the ladies area where it is appropriate, general alerts in the Alerts forum and share all info with the mods.

PPE

I have never had a pimp, manager, or even a boyfriend who left the seat up.
Never will.
As far as "sugar daddy"- none of them ever sent me off screaming- except to the mall- with their titanium AMEX- i am easy to please- except in bed
I think these guys are the cream of the crop- see no problem with having one... or two.
There you have it - words of a Geisha
adieu'