UTR: Pros in sheep's clothing....Deceptive?

Ok guys, time for another one of my serious hobby topics.

How do you guys feel about pros in sheep's clothing: Pros using dating, hook-up sites, or chatrooms to find men who will P4P....but not disclosing that they are pros. Do you consider this deceptive? Or would this still be classified as UTR?

All of this came about in my other thread where I started crying about Yahoo closing the chatrooms. I know a lot of people thought that they were completely taken over by bots but there were still plenty of married and single guys there looking for ass. Most looking for free ass...some ok with helping a young lady with a few bills. I used that site for years and when they shut down I asked (and was not expecting an answer) on where could I find local married men. 2 members suggested I use AshleyMaddison.

Well....in 2 weeks I met 2 guys who "helped" me with some Xmas shopping.

From some PMs I received and from what was said in chat.....some guys consider this deceptive.
They said the purpose of finding a girl UTR or on a non-hobby site is to find one who is 1. not a pro, 2. not all about the money, and 3. really into them. There is a 4th one but I don't want to talk about that one just yet......well, not openly.

Do you consider what I do on none hobby sites deceptive? I guess I'm "fake" because I'm a pro and those married guys are looking for women who are "really" into them.

Of course I'm all about the money but I'm not a bitch about it.
I'm still nice, offer good company, and good head. They are not missing out on anything. I'm not deceiving them. I'm straight up about the fact that I'm not about to put in time with a married man for nothing.

I'm going to be honest and say that on Yahoo I did select my prey based on looks. So technically I really am into them physically. And I can't be around a dummy so I do pick out the smart guys. With seeking out guys on non-hobby sites, they tend to want to spend more time with you. I can't spend time with a guy I don't like and I can't charge by the hour. If a guy pays my rent I'm kicking it with him the whole weekend. I like to consider them REAL friends with benefits.

........... Well....in 2 weeks I met 2 guys who "helped" me with some Xmas shopping.

From some PMs I received and from what was said in chat.....some guys consider this deceptive.

They said the purpose of finding a girl UTR or on a non-hobby site is to find one who is 1. not a pro, 2. not all about the money, and 3. really into them. There is a 4th one but I don't want to talk about that one just yet......well, not openly.

Do you consider what I do on none hobby sites deceptive? I guess I'm "fake" because I'm a pro and those married guys are looking for women who are "really" into them.

With seeking out guys on non-hobby sites, they tend to want to spend more time with you. I can't spend time with a guy I don't like and I can't charge by the hour. If a guy pays my rent I'm kicking it with him the whole weekend. I like to consider them REAL friends with benefits. Originally Posted by ArisRose

I feel it is deceptive.

I do see the profiles of Pros on the SD and dating sites. Many gentlemen on those sites are just looking to get laid or their cum swallowed, and probably don't care whether a lady is a Pro or not. But while I certainly understand the ladies wanting to explore all avenues to make a dollar, I have unknowingly scheduled M&G's with UTR Pros off SD sites, which is aggravating. I basically ended the M&G and said... "sorry, I'm looking for a lady whom I can help out with a few bills and I don't pay by the hour...you must be an escort".

I can't speak for all guys, but when I want to see a professional escort and be charged by the hour, I book them through ECCIE or p411. I've decided after a couple of years of hobbying, I hate paying by the hour because I feel like I am constantly looking at the clock, trying to figure out if I can get it up again for round 2. This past year the UTR's have gotten most of my business because of that very reason, although a few providers have started offering an "unrushed unclocked MSOG GFE session" to me and a few of my friends, which is usually a 90 minute to 2 hour session (which btw ladies, is an excellent way to get repeat business).

Enjoy the fun with the non hobbyists but do not become tainted ...

Id say you were pretty business savvy Rose. A lot of guys are going UTR or SB route. If a guy can't spot a "pro SB" then he will just get fleeced. At least your catering to the market.

So technically I really am into them physically. And I can't be around a dummy so I do pick out the smart guys. With seeking out guys on non-hobby sites, they tend to want to spend more time with you. I can't spend time with a guy I don't like and I can't charge by the hour. If a guy pays my rent I'm kicking it with him the whole weekend. I like to consider them REAL friends with benefits. Originally Posted by ArisRose

Ok, I see that she is saying that when she goes to SD sites, she is looking for guy who she is "into" and he helps her with bills. She doesn't charge by the hour since she hangs with them all weekend. Sounds pretty off the clock to me and not "pro". They in return are getting someone who knows what she is doing (based on her reviews) and gets to hang with her. Sounds pretty win-win to me.

I use one of the SD sites, but not in a pro capacity. I have found (using that site off and on for several years) that most of the guys are HUGE timewasters.

I don't come at it in the same way, or for the same purpose. I'm single, and if I'm going to be dating for fun why not date a guy with money? I can't meet those guys in my civvie life because I like to spend my time at the divest of dive bars lol.

I have had two good SDs come out of it though. I haven't been with the one in a sexual capacity for a couple of years but we still exchange holiday greetings, and before I moved would grab a beer every now and again. The other I still travel with.

There are misunderstandings on both sides of the equation though. And some guys will treat you like a hooker (ask me about the bouncing bartender!) and some will treat you like gold. Would it be easier all around if the professional women on the site weren't quite so mercenary? Yah. But a SB is just an escort that won't admit it.

The beauty of a SD/SB relationship is the genuine attraction on both sides. If I don't like a guy's personality and he messages me on here............probably see him for an hour. If I don't like a guy's personality and he's a SD, well thanks for lunch, catchya later.

My ideal would be 2-3 SDs and no one else.

Out right deception, no question about it.

If I were on one of those sites, and had a meeting with a pro under the guise of her wanting to meet me because of real interest outside of P4P, it would not end well. I know of providers who are on dating sites, who are really looking for someone and those ladies I have no issue with because thier intent is not P4P. However, if a pro gets on those sites as a way of plying her trade... don't is all I will write. I am not including SD/SB sites but sites like Match.com or the like.

I tried Ashley Madison specificly because I was specificly NOT looking for a pro. 2 of the 4 women I met face to face were. I found it very irritating and would not see them even if I needed a pro because of that. FWB, at least to me, means 2 people who enjoy being friends and have sex from time to time. No money required. It might happen, but not as a requirment for the sex.

Now SB sites are different. In a very broad and general sense, all those girls are providers. I would not be suprised to run into working pros of a SB board.

I use one of the SD sites, but not in a pro capacity. I have found (using that site off and on for several years) that most of the guys are HUGE timewasters.

I don't come at it in the same way, or for the same purpose. I'm single, and if I'm going to be dating for fun why not date a guy with money? I can't meet those guys in my civvie life because I like to spend my time at the divest of dive bars lol.

I have had two good SDs come out of it though. I haven't been with the one in a sexual capacity for a couple of years but we still exchange holiday greetings, and before I moved would grab a beer every now and again. The other I still travel with.

There are misunderstandings on both sides of the equation though. And some guys will treat you like a hooker (ask me about the bouncing bartender!) and some will treat you like gold. Would it be easier all around if the professional women on the site weren't quite so mercenary? Yah. But a SB is just an escort that won't admit it.

The beauty of a SD/SB relationship is the genuine attraction on both sides. If I don't like a guy's personality and he messages me on here............probably see him for an hour. If I don't like a guy's personality and he's a SD, well thanks for lunch, catchya later.

My ideal would be 2-3 SDs and no one else. Originally Posted by Lovely_Lilianna

Your mostly right, except for the 2-3 SDs. Most SDs don't want to share and only wanting to help out with a few bills. Mostly there looking for ladies that are trying to better themselves either by going to school, working part-time, or working full-time and just need a little help, not support them.

Your mostly right, except for the 2-3 SDs. Most SDs don't want to share and only wanting to help out with a few bills. Mostly there looking for ladies that are trying to better themselves either by going to school, working part-time, or working full-time and just need a little help, not support them. Originally Posted by shorty

I talked to one SD (who booked a session as an companion with me through my website below) and he totally supports his SB who dates others.

An exclusive SD relationship is always available but is very expensive lol.

I don't spend time with men that try to order my life around, so while YOU might look for something exclusive, my men (none of whom live near me) know better.

I too have something that I would consider a SD/SB relationship. It slowly took a year from him being a once a month client (paying my package rates) into what it is now (twice a month overnights with fine dining, theater, concerts, and more while he is helping me with a few bills-nothing like I charge for my packages on my website). He doesn't expect me to be exclusive. If I could find 2-3 more relationships like this, I wouldn't offer the hourly companionship that I now do.

I'm single, and if I'm going to be dating for fun why not date a guy with money? Originally Posted by Lovely_Lilianna

Lilanna I completely agree with you on this. I'm sure ladies in this profession do have a difficult time with free time etc. I don't have much free time in my line of work either thus why I hobby (single also), I've tried the SB/SD sites and what does drive me crazy is you find someone who is attractive and you exchange a few emails then only to find out they want to skip dinner and come right over....ding ding the gig is up she is P4P and I've wasted my time. If I want P4P I will use those sources such as Eccie, P411 etc. That way I can see reviews and know I'm not going to get ripped off of both my time and money.

Out right deception, no question about it.

If I were on one of those sites, and had a meeting with a pro under the guise of her wanting to meet me because of real interest outside of P4P, it would not end well. I know of providers who are on dating sites, who are really looking for someone and those ladies I have no issue with because thier intent is not P4P. However, if a pro gets on those sites as a way of plying her trade... don't is all I will write. I am not including SD/SB sites but sites like Match.com or the like. Originally Posted by PhantomofTheOpera

I wouldn't use a real dating site for P4P.
Now if I'm on a real dating site & you contact me and make it clear up front that you are married or just looking for some ass..........I'm going to ask you to pay a bill.

Am I to assume that because I want some money that my interest in a married man is not real?

I don't consider it deceptive....as long as your being completely honest with what you do. I certainy dont think it's wrong for a provider to join a Sugar Daddy site, if your willing to take the time to be a Sugar Baby AND be honest about your "addictional" endeavors as an escort. But heres the thing, these guys consider it deceptive because they are on a Sugar Daddy site looking for a Sugar Baby. If they wanted a provider, they would come to Eccie or some other Hobbyist Board. And I agree with what Lilianna says. I believe Sugar Babies are really escorts, but they need to be labeled "Sugar Baby" as a morality bubble. Some people need labels. At the end of the day, if you P4P you still P4P.