Where are the providers that don't advertise in the normal online places?

I have no street game and my dating site game is weak. I don't think there is a verbal code because I would have decode the replacement words by now because I am good at jargon.

Do I just be really creepy until I run into someone who is responsive to it?

I am going to check in some random hotels for directories with offers for massages and artistic entertainment.

I'm not sure what you're asking but CL occasionally has postings under the 'services' or 'community' sections. I don't know of any 'unknown' places on the internet to find action, and other than driving around the normal haunts looking for street walkers, I can't image a hotel offering massages that turn into more than that.

I can't image a hotel offering massages that turn into more than that. Originally Posted by yinzerpgh

Your imagination isn't good enough. It doesn't have to be the hotel offering the massage, it could be a third party service that happens to serve at the hotel.

I don't know of any 'unknown' places on the internet to find action Originally Posted by yinzerpgh

It isn't on the internet unless it is hiding in plain sight as something different.

I'm not sure what you're asking but CL occasionally has postings under the 'services' or 'community' sections. Originally Posted by yinzerpgh

Craigslist is good if you like men. Anyone find a woman's post on craigslist recently?

Walking on the Northside

I am thinking maybe cam girls will take a call, but I have no idea what the process is like.

You seem like you need a FetLife account

My Fetlife user ID is 11077995.

Tell me where they are.

You may have a little better luck looking here with a generic inquiry. Although it covers National, you may have some better intel.

You know, I was just having almost this exact discussion with someone just recently...

For a long time, I was convinced the there just *had* to be some vast underground network of accommodating girls to play with (either as P4P, or because they're just sufficiently sexually open and exploratory that they simply like it - and that, if I happened to occasionally help them take care of some bills or something, so much the better for them), that I just wasn't aware of because I wasn't sufficiently plugged into whatever scene they were present in.

After numerous years, and countless instances of smashing my head against the wall (figuratively speaking), I finally concluded - this is simply not the case.

Guys like us, who are specifically looking for such opportunities, are about as "plugged in" to any applicable scene where it might be found as anyone can be. If we're not finding it in the places we're already aware of, it basically isn't available. Or at least, it's not available to us...

There are certainly girls who are accommodating in this way, who you'll basically never find - if they are interested in playing with you, they'll find you (typically as a result of having the kind of financial or social standing that they seek). Or maybe girls who are currently playing with someone you know, who might be willing to have your mutual acquaintance refer you and vouch for you. I would assume most girls of this type, even if you're aware of them, if you approach them and ask something like, "Hey, it's my understanding that you might be willing to consider a P4P arrangement, would you be willing to discuss that with me?" (or more subtle words to that effect), they'll act like they have no idea what you're even talking about, and may appear to be offended (or may literally *be* offended, that you'd bring such a thing up uninvited).

As to your idea of scouting out random hotels looking for offers of massage or discreet entertainment - at least in this area, I have never seen any such thing. In Vegas, sure - but not here. But I kind of get the idea that you're pursuing - trying to find services offered by women, where the nature of the service requires privacy and a certain amount of intimacy. I just can't think of any outlets for such things that someone here would not already be aware of. For example, female massage therapists. Any woman in the massage business, I absolutely guarantee you that she's approached by men looking for more "intimate" services fairly regularly. They'll pretty much all tell you, if you ask, that they simply don't do that. Many of them may get offended. But I almost guarantee you, quite a few of them have clients that they do, in fact, provide more "intimate" services to. Because they're comfortable with it with those clients, and because they feel like it (and because they're humans too, and they have their own wants and urges just like anyone else does). But it's not something that's available to anyone who sees them, as long as they know the right way to ask for it, and are willing to pay.

As for anyone else, I think you'd just have to find "regular girls" and try to put the idea into their heads. So, yes - risk being "creepy". And you'll fail far more times than you succeed.

But as far as girls who will entertain such things as a conscious choice, who are specifically looking for people to meet, guys on sites like this - guys like you and me - we are about as close to being the "experts" on this topic as it would be possible to be. If we don't know about it at this point, chances are it doesn't exist - at least, not in any way that would do us any good even if we were aware of it.

These are my thoughts on this subject, which may just be the incoherent ravings of a deranged lunatic, who knows... YMMV.

What you are saying is outside of a couple special cases, the underground network forms dynamically based on your status.

Any posts on this site on increasing your status?

"Where are all the providers that don't advertise in the normal online places"

Getting deposits and not booking hobbyists, instead we are booking clients who value what we provide.

We found better visitors than the hobby world provides us...one where our clients respect us, screen and send deposits...before we blow their...

Happy Hobbying fellas.

Gabrielle, can you explain in more detail how that works? I mean, I wouldn't even be a hobbyist if I got any action while I was in school.

Gotta pay for it bit Sa

Someone made a search engine for Onlyfans. There are known providers that do have Onlyfans accounts. I predict that a large plurality of Onlyfans users are willing providers. I am going to say 20%.

I am not sure if I would also need to maintain an Onlyfans profile to verify myself.