What Law are you referring too?
Everyone around this douchbag goes down.
A judge on Friday sentenced former Rep. Chris Collins (R-N.Y.), an early and staunch ally of President Donald Trump, to 26 months in prison after he pleaded guilty last September to conspiracy to commit securities fraud.
Collins, the first member of Congress to endorse Trump’s 2016 presidential bid, used his position as the largest shareholder in the Australian biotechnology company Innate Immunotherapeutics to illegally give other stockholders an inside tip that a test of the company’s main product had failed. Originally Posted by Sistine Chapel
26 months was too much time. 95% of the posters here would have done the same thing if they thought they could get away with it. Originally Posted by TinyI agree the sentence looks stiff. I don't agree that 95% of us would have done it.
What a dumbass. That's called material non-public information. Everyone knows you don't trade on it or you can wind up in jail. Just ask Martha Stewart. Plus his trading was highly visible and trackable since he was the largest shareholder.Collins was a director and he didn’t sell any of his shares. He passed info about a failed drug test onto his son who in turn told his father-in-law and other family members and they were able to get out before the share price plunged 92%.
So what does this have to do with trumpy? Originally Posted by lustylad
I agree the sentence looks stiff. I don't agree that 95% of us would have done it.I’d suspect most people would do the same thing, IF they didn’t think they’d get caught. As I mentioned above, he didn’t profit from the inside information, although his son and others did. And “profit” may not be the best word, it was more like avoiding a loss
Remember Ivan Boesky? He only got 3 years, and he did it in dozens of stocks because insider trading was his business model. Originally Posted by lustylad
What a dumbass. That's called material non-public information. Everyone knows you don't trade on it or you can wind up in jail. Just ask Martha Stewart. Plus his trading was highly visible and trackable since he was the largest shareholder.Martha wasn't convicted of any "trading of non-public information"!
So what does this have to do with trumpy? Originally Posted by lustylad
Collins was a director and he didn’t sell any of his shares. He passed info about a failed drug test onto his son who in turn told his father-in-law and other family members and they were able to get out before the share price plunged 92%.You're right, he didn't sell his own shares. But how could he be stupid enough to think the SEC wouldn't track and look up the names of the major sellers just before the public announcement (of the failed drug trial) and notice they included his family members? Then all the SEC needed to do was obtain phone records and interview everyone involved, including the brokers who were probably told to hurry up and dump the shares before the Australian markets opened the next day.
He was going to look like a dumb ass either way. Presumably he’d been touting the stock to his family and if they’d lost hundreds of thousands of dollars, they wouldn’t be very happy. I imagine though they came out much worse than if he’d never told them anything, when you take into account the fines and, for his son and maybe a couple of others, the jail sentences. Originally Posted by Tiny
I’d suspect most people would do the same thing, IF they didn’t think they’d get caught. As I mentioned above, he didn’t profit from the inside information, although his son and others did. And “profit” may not be the best word, it was more like avoiding a loss Originally Posted by TinyDoesn't matter, it's still insider trading. I think in terms of risk. Even if the chance of being caught was only, say, 5%, it's not worth it to me. If you pick a stock based on the publicly available fundamentals and you make money, you can pat yourself on the back and tell yourself how smart you are. If you make a profit due to insider info, you not only feel like a cheat but you have to worry afterwards about being caught (unless you're a corrupt sociopath like Bernie Madoff or Ivan Boesky, in which case it wouldn't bother you).
Martha wasn't convicted of any "trading of non-public information"!Yes, Martha Stewart was convicted of lying. About her insider trading. A jury found her guilty on 4 counts of lying to investigators and obstruction of justice.
She was convicted of lying to the FBI .... like HillariousNoMore. Originally Posted by LexusLover
You're right, he didn't sell his own shares. But how could he be stupid enough to think the SEC wouldn't track and look up the names of the major sellers just before the public announcement (of the failed drug trial) and notice they included his family members? Then all the SEC needed to do was obtain phone records and interview everyone involved, including the brokers who were probably told to hurry up and dump the shares before the Australian markets opened the next day.Collins was a double dumb ass for lying about it. If you're a tipper and you personally don't benefit, then you haven't necessarily broken the law. If Collins had been tried before the Supreme Court ruling on Salman vs. United States in 2016, he might have gotten off if he hadn't lied. That case established that if you tip a relative, it can be considered a gift of confidential information, and that means you've violated securities laws. Anyway, you can't help but think that if he'd told the truth he might have gotten off with less time, or maybe just a fine.
Doesn't matter, it's still insider trading. I think in terms of risk. Even if the chance of being caught was only, say, 5%, it's not worth it to me. If you pick a stock based on the publicly available fundamentals and you make money, you can pat yourself on the back and tell yourself how smart you are. If you make a profit due to insider info, you not only feel like a cheat but you have to worry afterwards about being caught (unless you're a corrupt sociopath like Bernie Madoff or Ivan Boesky, in which case it wouldn't bother you).
Why take stupid risks when you can make big bucks honestly? A blind, dart-throwing monkey can make money in today's bull market. And it's all thanks to trumpy and his pro-growth policies of cutting taxes and rolling back odumbo's regulatory over-reach!!
Right, sissy chap? Originally Posted by lustylad
I don't remember that headline. Who is HillariousNoMore?
She was convicted of lying to the FBI .... like HillariousNoMore. Originally Posted by LexusLover