Islam & tribalism in the mid-east

dilbert firestorm's Avatar
I've always wondered why tribalism didn't go extinct in the mideast, north africa, pakistan, Iraq, & syria when many european tribe went extinct by way of nations & empires.

what made them so resistant to change.

this is about islam & tribalism
http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2016...stability.html

2 articles here about Mid-east & Saudi Arabia.
the tribalism factor is understated in this 2 very good analysis.

http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2016...stability.html

no wonder. the muslim world is a complicated stew (mess) of islamism & tribalism. given the fact that its who you know gets the deal done without getting yourself killed in process in that part of the world.
Most places in the world are NOT a melting pot of people's & culture...like the US.

And prior to the US being a HUGE INTERNATIONAL BULLY ...pepople lived in the Middle EAST for thosands of years peacefully 😱. In fact there were great Muslim empires that produced things like algebra and Optics(amongst many other important inventions) that we still use today.😱

Just because you don't like our tribes and way of life doesn't mean it's a mess. The area has recently become a mess due to the US intervention. 😂
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Most places in the world are NOT a melting pot of people's & culture...like the US.

And prior to the US being a HUGE INTERNATIONAL BULLY ...pepople lived in the Middle EAST for thosands of years peacefully ��. In fact there were great Muslim empires that produced things like algebra and Optics(amongst many other important inventions) that we still use today.��

Just because you don't like our tribes and way of life doesn't mean it's a mess. The area has recently become a mess due to the US intervention. �� Originally Posted by Ameera Cakes
From about the 7th century on most of the problems in the Middle East, and any country that they we're close too, were caused by, as you said, "Muslim Empires".

The World would be a much better place if Islam had not been invented by that pedophile "Prophet".
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Ameera, if you hate the US so much why are you here?

Could it be because, like those middle eastern countries, you hate the US but you love our money?
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Most places in the world are NOT a melting pot of people's & culture...like the US.

And prior to the US being a HUGE INTERNATIONAL BULLY ...pepople lived in the Middle EAST for thosands of years peacefully ��. In fact there were great Muslim empires that produced things like algebra and Optics(amongst many other important inventions) that we still use today.��

Just because you don't like our tribes and way of life doesn't mean it's a mess. The area has recently become a mess due to the US intervention. ��
Originally Posted by Ameera Cakes
You are quite delusional. Read the Old Testament, study history: the Egyptians, the Israelites, the Philistines, the Phoenicians, the Nabateans, the Babylonians, the Chaldeans, the Hittites, the Trojans, the Greeks, the Persians, the Carthaginians, the Minoans, the Romans, the Ottomans, Byzantines, etc., etc., etc. That region has never known peace. And that region would firmly be under the rule of Hitler's Third Reich were it not for American "intervention", you supercilious ignoramus.
You are quite delusional. Read the Old Testament, study history: the Egyptians, the Israelites, the Philistines, the Phoenicians, the Nabateans, the Babylonians, the Chaldeans, the Hittites, the Trojans, the Greeks, the Persians, the Carthaginians, the Minoans, the Romans, the Ottomans, Byzantines, etc., etc., etc. That region has never known peace. And that region would firmly be under the rule of Hitler's Third Reich were it not for American "intervention", you supercilious ignoramus. Originally Posted by I B Hankering
And since those that are native to that area aren't Hitler's preferred ARYAN race, they'd probably suffer the fate that the Jews did.
dilbert firestorm's Avatar
And since those that are native to that area aren't Hitler's preferred ARYAN race, they'd probably suffer the fate that the Jews did. Originally Posted by Rey Lengua
unless of you're Persian or Indian as a majority of those come from aryan stock.
dilbert firestorm's Avatar
You are quite delusional. Read the Old Testament, study history: the Egyptians, the Israelites, the Philistines, the Phoenicians, the Nabateans, the Babylonians, the Chaldeans, the Hittites, the Trojans, the Greeks, the Persians, the Carthaginians, the Minoans, the Romans, the Ottomans, Byzantines, etc., etc., etc. That region has never known peace. And that region would firmly be under the rule of Hitler's Third Reich were it not for American "intervention", you supercilious ignoramus. Originally Posted by I B Hankering
well to be fair, Europe had their wars too, bad ones. only started easing up things recently.
dilbert firestorm's Avatar
Most places in the world are NOT a melting pot of people's & culture...like the US.

And prior to the US being a HUGE INTERNATIONAL BULLY ...pepople lived in the Middle EAST for thosands of years peacefully 😱. In fact there were great Muslim empires that produced things like algebra and Optics(amongst many other important inventions) that we still use today.😱

Just because you don't like our tribes and way of life doesn't mean it's a mess. The area has recently become a mess due to the US intervention. 😂 Originally Posted by Ameera Cakes
put the blame where it belongs on... Britain. they were the ones divvyed the world up out of spite when they lost their empire.

The U.S. unfortunately picked up where Britain left off when it assumed world power status and continued to play the game Britain was playing.

all this was done for Europe's benefit, I know people here would disagree with me on this.
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well to be fair, Europe had their wars too, bad ones. only started easing up things recently. Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm
But this supercilious wench preposterously claimed, "pepople lived in the Middle EAST for thosands of years peacefully."
[QUOTE=gfejunkie;1058387896]Ameera, if you hate the US so much why are you here?

Could it be because, like those middle eastern countries, you hate the US but you love our money?[/QUOT

My parents decided to come down here to go to school they had me here I don't think an unborn child gets to choose where they're born well or where they're raised LOL but if you want it out so bad why don't you go vote for Trump and see if your wish comes true :-)
dilbert firestorm's Avatar
But this supercilious wench preposterously claimed, "pepople lived in the Middle EAST for thosands of years peacefully." Originally Posted by I B Hankering
if living in peace means being oppressed under threat of death & harassment or paying a tax to avoid such things.

that was highly dependent on who was ruling at the time,
First off let me say thanks gentlemen for all the intelligent & sweet comments.

Secondly get your facts straight before you open your mouth.

Arabs, Christians, Jews & Muslims ALIKE did in fact live peacefully together for THOUSANDS of years, you cannot deny or erase history, but your welcome to be as racist as you like, I'm cool with that!

There are THOUSANDS of Orthodox Jews in the US (mainly NY) who consider themselves '"Palestnian" Jews. These are the JEWS who actually lived side by side with Christian Arabs & Muslims...they have made their views & experiences VERY Clear...





And if you stopped & talked to one of these protesting Rabbi's WHO ACTUALLY LIVED AMONG ARABS...



My mother also spoke to me of having Jewish neighbors & how they shared everything & were known for cooking the best sea food in North Africa!

Fact is Islam considers both Jew's & Christians "People of The Book" (according to the quran) a name given out of RESPECT. In every true Muslim Empire that's existed "People of the Book" were protected & respected BY LAW's made by the man you call a pedophile. lol Jew's & Christians shared equal rights & were allowed to have their Synagogues & Churches FREE OF HARASSMENT.

This is one document was found, signed by Mohammed... below it u can see the original document...

Muhammad's Promise to the Monks of St. Catherine's Monastery Until the End of Days :

"This is a message from Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them.

Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them.

No compulsion is to be on them. Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries. No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims' houses.

Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God's covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate.

No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight. The Muslims are to fight for them. If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray. Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants.

No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day (end of the world)."



And incase you did not KNOW it is a FACT that the first recorded women in the history of humanity to EVER own property, vote, work, have the right to divorce were given to women by MUSLIM EMPIRES. In fact Christian & Jewish women came to Islamic courts to get the divorce their culture/religion forbid. Don't believe me LOOK IT UP!

When people are busy being barbarians...it usually means no/or little technological/scientific advances will be made. YET ANOTHER FACT the FIRST University in the world was in Iraq. lol AND...The first universities which issued diplomas were the Bimaristan medical university-hospitals of the medieval Islamic world, where medical diplomas were issued to students of Islamic medicine who were qualified to be practicing doctors of medicine from the 9th century.

Here are a few advancements accomplished during the reign of Muslim empires....

1. First public hospital (which replaced healing temples and sleep temples

2.First Library/Lending books

3.First psychiatric hospital ( u guys should REALLY take advantage of that one u need it!)

4. First astronomical observatory (as a research institute as opposed to a private observation post as was the case in ancient times).

5 . The first universities which issued diplomas were the Bimaristan medical university-hospitals of the medieval Islamic world, where medical diplomas were issued to students of Islamic medicine who were qualified to be practicing doctors of medicine from the 9th century. (u should be glad we gave you a doctor, who gave u viagra...otherwise you'd really be an even scarier racist! lol)

6. The library of Tripoli,Libyba said to have had as many as 3 million books before Crusaders destroyed it. The number of important & original medieval Arabic works on the mathematical sciences far exceeds the combined total of medieval Latin and Greek works of comparable significance.

7.Another common feature during the Islamic Golden Age was the large number of Muslim polymath scholars. (if you don't know what "Polymath scholar means,go educate yourself!)

8. The Islamic Empire significantly contributed to globalization during the Islamic Golden Age, when the knowledge, trade and economies from many previously isolated regions and civilizations began integrating through contacts with Muslim (and Jewish Radhanite) explorers and traders. Their trade networks extended from the Atlantic Ocean and Mediterranean Sea in the west to the Indian Ocean and China Sea in the east. These trade networks helped establish the Islamic Empire as the world’s leading extensive economic power throughout the 7th–13th centuries.

9. Muslim/Arab empires also had such a huge impact on agriculture & agriculture techniques they actually gave it a name! “Arab Agricultural Revolution”. Muslims also helped spread crops that would normally not be found in a certain regions & created the worlds first sugar refinery.

10. Early forms of proto-capitalism and free markets were present in the empire time where an early market economy and early form of merchant capitalism was developed between the 8th–12th centuries, which some refer to as “Islamic capitalism”. Organizational enterprises independent from the state also existed in the medieval Islamic world. Many of these early proto-capitalist concepts were further advanced in medieval Europe from the 13th century onwards.

11. Muslim engineers invented crankshafts & water turbines, employed gears in mills and water-raising machines, and pioneered the use of dams as sources of water power, used to provide additional power to watermills and water-raising machines. Such advances made it possible for many industrial tasks that were previously driven by manual labor in ancient times to be mechanized and driven by machinery instead in the medieval Islamic world. The transfer of these technologies to medieval Europe had an influence on the Industrial Revolution.

12. Invented the Camera used to take pix of the hookers u love to see! Ibn al-Haytham (Alhazen) wrote the Book of Optics, in which he significantly reformed the field of optics, empirically proved that vision occurred because of light rays entering the eye, and invented the camera obscura to demonstrate the physical nature of light rays.

13. Invented the coffee you drink.

14. Invented soap bar, tooth paste, shampoo & distilled alcohol...to clean your old stinkin ass's so these poor providers can stand your nasty ass for an hour.

15.The early Islamic Empire also had the highest literacy rates among pre-modern societies, alongside the city of classical Athens in the 4th century BC, and later, China after the introduction of printing from the 10th century. Other factors include the widespread use of paper books in Islamic society, more so than any other previously existing society.

16. Muslim cities also had advanced domestic water systems with sewers, public baths, drinking fountains, piped drinking water supplies, and widespread private and public toilet and bathing facilities.

17. Early scientific methods were developed in the Islamic world, where significant progress in methodology was made, especially in the works of Ibn al-Haytham (Alhazen) in the 11th century, who is considered a pioneer of experimental physics, which some place in the experimental tradition of Ptolemy.


18.The earliest medical peer review, a process by which a committee of physicians investigate the medical care rendered in order to determine whether accepted standards of care have been met, is found in the Ethics of the Physician written by Ishaq bin Ali al-Rahwi (854–931) of al-Raha in Syria.

19. Jābir ibn Hayyān (Geber) is considered a pioneer of chemistry, as he was responsible for introducing an early experimental scientific method within the field, as well as the alembic, still,retort, and the chemical processes of pure distillation, filtration, sublimation, liquefaction, crystallisation, purification, oxidisation and evaporation. Alexander von Humboldt and Will Durant consider medieval Muslim chemists to be founders of chemistry.

20. Among the achievements of Muslim mathematicians during this period include the development of algebra and algorithms by the Persian and Islamic mathematician Muhammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī, the invention of spherical trigonometry, the addition of the decimal point notation to the Arabic numerals introduced by Sind ibn Ali, the invention of all thetrigonometric functions besides sine, al-Kindi’s introduction of cryptanalysis and frequency analysis, al-Karaji’s introduction of algebraic calculus and proof by mathematical induction, the development of analytic geometry and the earliest general formula for infinitesimal and integral calculus by Ibn al-Haytham, the beginning of algebraic geometry by Omar Khayyam, the first refutations of Euclidean geometry and the parallel postulate by Nasīr al-Dīn al-Tūsī, the first attempt at a non-Euclidean geometry by Sadr al-Din, the development ofsymbolic algebra by Abū al-Hasan ibn Alī al-Qalasādī, and numerous other advances in algebra, arithmetic, calculus, cryptography, geometry, number theory and trigonometry.


Oh ya & we also invented...

Uric acid, nitric acid, alembic, valve, reciprocating suction piston pump, mechanized water clocks, quilting, surgical catgut, vertical-axle windmill, inoculation, cryptanalysis,frequency analysis, three-course meal, stained glass and quartz glass, Persian carpet, and celestial globe.

I mean really, I could go on & on...but some of you proboblly can't comprehend big words anyway so let me stop. lol.

So yeah I'll be that wench if that's all your ignorant ass has got for me

Oh & in case you were wondering NO Arabs did not invent big ol tittties lol but you can suck my big FAT ARAB titties anyway ;-)
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Arabs, Christians, Jews & Muslims ALIKE did in fact live peacefully together for THOUSANDS of years, you cannot deny or erase history, but your welcome to be as racist as you like, I'm cool with that! Originally Posted by Ameera Cakes
First off, Islam has only been around for 1400 years; hence, you notion that Islam could have been at peace for "thousandS" of years is utter bullshit. In fact, it's been at war for the majority of that 1400 years, and still is. You'd be the supercilious ignoramus attempting to erase history with your complete and utter ignorance of the subject. Get an education.
put the blame where it belongs on... Britain. they were the ones divvyed the world up out of spite when they lost their empire.

The U.S. unfortunately picked up where Britain left off when it assumed world power status and continued to play the game Britain was playing.

all this was done for Europe's benefit, I know people here would disagree with me on this. Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm
The only people I blame are the richest people around, their the ones who CONTROL EVERYTHING, including America & it's purchased & manipulated "presidents".

I NEVER said I blamed America, or hate Americans, I am A FUCKING ARAB AMERICAN FOR GOD SAKE! And I do not hate ANY part of myself OR my identity! I'M 100% PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN ARAB MUSLIM & I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE. DON'T LIKE IT CRY ME A RIVER BOO HOO HOO SERIOUSLY.

No culture/people/race is PERFECT...but all that racist shit is disgusting & honestly just makes me feel sorry for people who think like that. But calling me names... does not hurt me one iota...just proves YOU HAVE NO POINT JUST IGNORANCE & HATRED. Because if you had a point u would have made it. LMFAO