my IRS thread

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ineff...0#.UZQQ2r4o73g


Ineffective management at the Internal Revenue Service led to certain groups being singled out for more than 18 months based on their names or mission statements, according to a Treasury Inspector General report obtained by ABC News.
IRS officials told IG investigators that their actions were not influenced by any outside officials or agencies. The use of inappropriate criteria to screen applicants resulted in significant delays for groups applying for tax exempt status, and also allowed unnecessary requests for information, the report found

Let the hate begin ...

the haters would need to tone it down 10 notches to get to hate

this is WAR MF'r !

Of course! The government issued a report saying the government isn't responsible!

That settles it for me! If government says it, it MUST be true! We don't need no stinkin' independent investigation! Government has it all figured out, and has exonerated itself.

Case closed.

Of course! The government issued a report saying the government isn't responsible!

That settles it for me! If government says it, it MUST be true! We don't need no stinkin' independent investigation! Government has it all figured out, and has exonerated itself.

Case closed. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Stop acting stupid. The "Government" is made up of individuals. Those individuals responsible are being identified.

Due process and common sense take a little bit of time.

Stop trying to force the absence of a constitution that you have in amerika on to the people of America.

You threatened to leave, we told you to go ahead and to shut the fuck up while doing it, and you voluntarily turned your back on America.

And now you are just another wanabe.
On the outside looking in.

Even though you claim to be an attorney, an attorney who cites the Constitution when it supports him and ignores it when it doesn't, we still feel a tiny bit sorry for you.

Give us 5 seconds to get over you.

I don't think Whiny is an attorney any more...

Hmmm . . . Having a bad night, MunchOnMen? And when did I threaten to leave? From where was I leaving? Nope, staying here. Trying to slow the march of the police state you so actively support.

But seriously, MunchOnMen, try some Tums. You'll feel better.

Of course! The government issued a report saying the government isn't responsible! Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

You almost figured it out COG. The government found the problem and apologized for it and THEN the Republicans jumped on it, even though they had heard complaints for a while. Besides the IRS was run by a Republican appointee when all this happened.

In 1974 Congress enacted legislation to severely restrict administrative and political contacts between the White House and the IRS because of Nixon's abuses of IRS power. When this "targeting" occurred last year it occurred under a Republican appointee who reported to Treasury so there is little likelihood of direct WH or POTUS involvement. There is more chance of this being a false flag operations planted by Republicans than of Obama having any contact at all

On top of that people who have no understanding of how the IRS works are screaming that Obama was not in control of the IRS and didn't stop this abuse or rectify it when it occurred. Let's look at what really happened with a little reason first. What is the travesty? It is that the IRS targeted conservative groups wanting to not pay taxes (get ready for it, here it comes) by asking them extra questions (no, no, no - how horrific) and horror of horrors, delayed granting their 501(C)(4) status! No audits, no fines, no trials or imprisonment, questions and some delay up to 18 months from the normal 9 to 12 months. And all the organizations involved were eventually approved. How horrible a scandal! Their feelings must be horribly hurt! Extra Questions, this must be a repudiation of the entire Constitution for God sake!!!! Despite the IRS being semi-independent by Congressional mandate, under the Treasury and led by a Republican when this happened, Obama must have known and directed it, then lied. It defies reason.

OK, lets now get a little perspective. These same people howling about unfairness, scandal, impeachment are the same ones who uttered not a peep when the military blamed the blamed the torture in Abu Ghraib on "low level" soldiers and didn't have a problem that Bush, the Commander in Chief (Obama is not the IRS Commissioner in Cheif BTW) didn't "have control of the military while two wars were raging and found it completely believable that Bush and his White House proclaimed ignorance and innocence about all the torture and abuses of prisoners of war. Now that it totally believable, isn't it?

Of course, questions and delays are far far worse than torturing prisoners, but these are the same folks who were unheard from when Bush's White House directed the IRS to target Julian Bond and the NAACP, IN A LETTER, which resulted in a two year audit and harassment for giving a speech that was anti-war and questioned the Administrations policies. But obviously, questions and delays for Republicans are far far worse than audits and targeting for Democrats or torture for foreigners.

IMHO, that is what Republicans are saying (and should be called on it) and proves that this is 98% political and completely disingenuous. Well, I guess at least it proves that questioning conservatives is obviously far worse than torturing prisoners if this is any indication.

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Now I'm not saying this should happen, it shouldn't. FDR, Nixon, Kennedy, Reagan, Clinton and Bush all had it happen under their Administrations, but after Nixon it is problematic to prove direct links of IRS harassment directly to the WH. This shouldn't happen at all, but at least this time it was only questions and delays and was caught and apologized for by the IRS before Congress or anybody else found it. IMHO that is government working. When was the last time Big Business (as opposed to Big Government) caught their own transgressions and apologized?

Liberals may believe in Big Government, but Conservatives believe in Big Business - neither are regularly believable.

Wow! Nice try at a defense, oaftxjr. Stupid and pointless, but nice try. Still, I think I'd like to have an independent special counsel look into it, just in case the government missed a few things.

Thanks, anyway!

Wow! Nice try at a defense, oaftxjr. Stupid and pointless, but nice try. Still, I think I'd like to have an independent special counsel look into it, just in case the government missed a few things.

Thanks, anyway! Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

B..b..b..Bush did this and Bush did that! Same shit different day. Always deflect from the matter at hand.

Hmmm . . . Having a bad night, MunchOnMen? And when did I threaten to leave? From where was I leaving? Nope, staying here. Trying to slow the march of the police state you so actively support.

But seriously, MunchOnMen, try some Tums. You'll feel better. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Quite a while back you stated you were leaving as you had other interests.