I feel as if over the last few years GFE (girlfriend experience) has become highly subjective when in my time it never was. You sorta knew what to expect at minimum of a lady was GFE. There’s no such thing as light gfe.
Gfe to me is similar to an experience with a real life responsible girlfriend. I feel at minimum she needs to provide these things below.
At minimum.
The gfe I'm seeking which was the proper definition is.....
GFE
"Girl friend experience"
"(1)Deep French kissing, (2) intimate touch (digits), (3)body rub body glide or massage, (4) reverse massage, (5) naked cuddling, (6) uncovered oral giving and receiving, (7) "msog" (orgasms) = "multiple shots on goal" during booked times frame, (8) and covered full service intercourse in multiple positions without limitations."
That's my bare minimum for basic gfe above. It’s been highly subjective for a few the last few years.
Pse I feel is more attitude based. But even then I enjoy a girlfriend who fuqs me like a porn star. I do feel like if you advertise pse there are certain things you need to offer or provide.
PSE
Porn star experience
(A) Does she allow cum on hands, body, face, or neither?
(B) does she allow cell phone pictures and cell phone video for my eyes only.
(C) During BBBJ does she swallow, spit, or neither. Does msog occur here as well.
(D) does she have the stamina to accommodate for a more spirited session for multihours.
(E). Does she allow Greek.
So what do you guys and girls feel is basic gfe?
What do you guys and gals consider PSE to be?
What should we expect at minimum if a lady advertises as GFE and/or PSE. What’s the consensus. Are the specifics even important to anyone anymore?
Seems so few offer it………..
Especially PSE.
- gimme_that
- 03-30-2022, 02:06 AM
- pyramider
- 03-30-2022, 04:05 PM
GFE has had nothing to do with digits or MSOG. Nor has GFE or PSE ever been about bbfs, even though fucktards on icky and other SHMBs prey on new ladies.
- annie@christophers
- 03-30-2022, 07:17 PM
Pray tell Mr rubics?
I simply ADORE TIFFANY'S!!
XXOO
I simply ADORE TIFFANY'S!!
XXOO
- albundy
- 03-30-2022, 07:31 PM
I feel GFE would include kissing and a generally more passionate experience. Like with a woman you are in a relationship with.
PSE to me is less about passion and more about hardcore fucking and BBJs with a lot of gagging.
As for BBFS, I find that it is more common now than any time I can remember since I started banging ladies for hire. I would say 80% or more tend to have a “rubbers optional” policy. Especially on SA.
PSE to me is less about passion and more about hardcore fucking and BBJs with a lot of gagging.
As for BBFS, I find that it is more common now than any time I can remember since I started banging ladies for hire. I would say 80% or more tend to have a “rubbers optional” policy. Especially on SA.
- gimme_that
- 03-30-2022, 08:31 PM
I literally think the non pros and ladies from SA for some reason have been fed garbage on what is “GFE” ……assuming it’s code speak for an unsafe activity.
I try not to use that term with non pros anymore for that reason. I’ll simply ask. I feel like gfe has become very subjective now as opposed to years ago. Me an my past girlfriends had protected sex, but I’d leave my girlfriend if she offered me a covered BJ. Cause why even do it.
I think pse is also interpreted wrong on non pro and SA type website. Most assume PSE or a VIP rate is simply Greek. I never was on that side. Greek was never my thing. And nothing I’d pay a premium to engage in.
I try not to use that term with non pros anymore for that reason. I’ll simply ask. I feel like gfe has become very subjective now as opposed to years ago. Me an my past girlfriends had protected sex, but I’d leave my girlfriend if she offered me a covered BJ. Cause why even do it.
I think pse is also interpreted wrong on non pro and SA type website. Most assume PSE or a VIP rate is simply Greek. I never was on that side. Greek was never my thing. And nothing I’d pay a premium to engage in.
- 1blackman1
- 03-30-2022, 09:47 PM
BBFS
I think the view of it is generational. I came up during a time that AIDS and Pregnancy were things to avoid and so condoms were used regularly unless you were in relationship where you trusted the girl to 1) take her pill daily and 2) not be out fucking around. Unfortunately, we guys tended to have 3-4 of this relationships ongoing simultaneously. In my college days, birth control was available but most girls weren't on the pill until the were near graduation. Most Freshman girls weren't on the pill in high school so also weren't on it in college. All while I was in my early career, everyone fucked alot and condoms were pretty regularly used in random encounters, one night stands and hook-ups.
The exception to that was when I was in the military we fucked with wreckless abandon without any protection. Mainly because we were all tested for STDs and particularly AIDS and most females were on the pill at least in AIT and the 1st couple of years of their duty assignment. Otherwise, we used rubbers.
This younger generation 20s to mid 30s are essentially post AIDS (from their view at least) and unfortunately they aren't all that bothered by the idea of getting pregnant. Some wear it as a badge of honor. And of course having birth control is so cheap and easy those that want it have it. So they are used to BB and bring it into the hobby. The SA girls and to an extent the agency girls and girls that see themselves as low volume dont automatically think they need to cover it up.
All that to say that BB is more prevalent now due to how girls are percieving themselves and the pre-escort experience they have of unprotected sex being the norm.
GFE
GFE has definitely changed over the years. When I first got into the hobby, GFE was not really an hourly transaction. The experience was more like SA. No clock watching, extended experience that included wine, music, BBBJ, DATY and multi-positional sex. It was always kissing, sweet whispers, and really pretending that it was like being with a girlfriend. GFE to me would still include some of those aspects, mainly kissing, cuddling, BBJ, CIM (swallow maybe), DATY and sex. It could involve anal but no necessarily. Ultimately there would be some illusion of passion and really enjoying one another beyond sex. There should also be full use of the whole hour.
PSE
I dont really do PSE. I am not really the rough fucking type so that does not do it for me. I would imagine it would hard core, hanging from the ceiling fan, blasting all over her face type sex. Now I have had girlfriends or fuck buddies with whom Ive done these things but usually it was not the norm for sex, just a wild night. Definitely full use of the whole hour.
Streetwalker Experience
I think everyone understands the purely transactional nature of the streetwalker experience. CBJ or BBBJ with a slam bam fuck and get out so she can roll in the next dude. That is the same whether they are picked up on Plank Rd or they are at some shady no-tell. It is the experience rather than the location of course and expecting anything akin to GFE would be a mistake.
Stripper Experience
Similar to the Streetwalker experience but it is the ultimate hustle. Usually you will have blow job or maybe a quick fuck but they are always down to give you the streetwalker lite experience with a major uncharge.
I think the view of it is generational. I came up during a time that AIDS and Pregnancy were things to avoid and so condoms were used regularly unless you were in relationship where you trusted the girl to 1) take her pill daily and 2) not be out fucking around. Unfortunately, we guys tended to have 3-4 of this relationships ongoing simultaneously. In my college days, birth control was available but most girls weren't on the pill until the were near graduation. Most Freshman girls weren't on the pill in high school so also weren't on it in college. All while I was in my early career, everyone fucked alot and condoms were pretty regularly used in random encounters, one night stands and hook-ups.
The exception to that was when I was in the military we fucked with wreckless abandon without any protection. Mainly because we were all tested for STDs and particularly AIDS and most females were on the pill at least in AIT and the 1st couple of years of their duty assignment. Otherwise, we used rubbers.
This younger generation 20s to mid 30s are essentially post AIDS (from their view at least) and unfortunately they aren't all that bothered by the idea of getting pregnant. Some wear it as a badge of honor. And of course having birth control is so cheap and easy those that want it have it. So they are used to BB and bring it into the hobby. The SA girls and to an extent the agency girls and girls that see themselves as low volume dont automatically think they need to cover it up.
All that to say that BB is more prevalent now due to how girls are percieving themselves and the pre-escort experience they have of unprotected sex being the norm.
GFE
GFE has definitely changed over the years. When I first got into the hobby, GFE was not really an hourly transaction. The experience was more like SA. No clock watching, extended experience that included wine, music, BBBJ, DATY and multi-positional sex. It was always kissing, sweet whispers, and really pretending that it was like being with a girlfriend. GFE to me would still include some of those aspects, mainly kissing, cuddling, BBJ, CIM (swallow maybe), DATY and sex. It could involve anal but no necessarily. Ultimately there would be some illusion of passion and really enjoying one another beyond sex. There should also be full use of the whole hour.
PSE
I dont really do PSE. I am not really the rough fucking type so that does not do it for me. I would imagine it would hard core, hanging from the ceiling fan, blasting all over her face type sex. Now I have had girlfriends or fuck buddies with whom Ive done these things but usually it was not the norm for sex, just a wild night. Definitely full use of the whole hour.
Streetwalker Experience
I think everyone understands the purely transactional nature of the streetwalker experience. CBJ or BBBJ with a slam bam fuck and get out so she can roll in the next dude. That is the same whether they are picked up on Plank Rd or they are at some shady no-tell. It is the experience rather than the location of course and expecting anything akin to GFE would be a mistake.
Stripper Experience
Similar to the Streetwalker experience but it is the ultimate hustle. Usually you will have blow job or maybe a quick fuck but they are always down to give you the streetwalker lite experience with a major uncharge.
- Ballistixz
- 03-31-2022, 06:59 AM
For me true GFE is simply a girl who is more patient, accommodating, and submissive to whatever i want regardless of what it is. You can debate bbfs and bbj, but that will always be up to the girl as its safety.
PSE to me is really no different except the main difference is if they allow you to film or not. After all, that is what a porn star does, film. If no filming or atleast photo shoots are involved its not PSE. I don't buy the statement that PSE is more "hardcore" Than GFE because you certainly can be rough and go hard in GFE.
PSE to me is really no different except the main difference is if they allow you to film or not. After all, that is what a porn star does, film. If no filming or atleast photo shoots are involved its not PSE. I don't buy the statement that PSE is more "hardcore" Than GFE because you certainly can be rough and go hard in GFE.
- 1blackman1
- 03-31-2022, 07:34 AM
I don’t think I can disagree, as I don’t do PSE but my thinking was it was more akin to what you expect to see in porn than making porn. If that makes sense. As noted, you can have porn like sex with a girlfriend/wife/lover etc but that’s generally not what’s envisioned. However, if you were with a porn star the expectation is that you can do all the stuff you see in porn regardless of whether it’d be considered “freaky” “demeaning” “unusual” etc. that’s kinda how I see the difference in my mind.
With your girlfriend you’d expect if she was blowing you she’d finish you in her mouth. Whereas with a pornstar you wanna have the feel of a cumshot over her face tits etc. for the visual pleasure more so than the sexual pleasure. Not to say that doesn’t happen from Time to time with you girl just not the usual. But I could be wrong.
I’m sure a lady will chime in on what they see as the difference.
I don’t think either kinds of sex has much to do with the argument over BBFS. That’s a different discussion altogether. I was just explaining what I think the changes in BBFS has been over the 2 decades I’ve been fucking strippers,AMPs and Escorts. As well as the well over 3 decades I’ve been fucking civilians through 1 night stands to girlfriends to mistresses etc.
With your girlfriend you’d expect if she was blowing you she’d finish you in her mouth. Whereas with a pornstar you wanna have the feel of a cumshot over her face tits etc. for the visual pleasure more so than the sexual pleasure. Not to say that doesn’t happen from Time to time with you girl just not the usual. But I could be wrong.
I’m sure a lady will chime in on what they see as the difference.
I don’t think either kinds of sex has much to do with the argument over BBFS. That’s a different discussion altogether. I was just explaining what I think the changes in BBFS has been over the 2 decades I’ve been fucking strippers,AMPs and Escorts. As well as the well over 3 decades I’ve been fucking civilians through 1 night stands to girlfriends to mistresses etc.
- annie@christophers
- 03-31-2022, 09:59 AM
P.s.e in this business. I mean what kind of idiot would partake in ANY uncovered ANYTHING with women that are doing this for a living? Boggles the mind how men can't realize they have most certainly have just done this same act with well. ...let's just say 20 other men a WEEK? Lol
And the men probably have done this with every provider they have seen.
Do the math.
No wonder Louisiana ranks top 5 in the county for aids and hepatitis. I can't even imagine the other s.t.ds...
Someone here I'm sure can play investigative reporter.
20 years ago literally nobody asked for even bbj. Old men sometimes but the answer was no.
They simply knew wtf we did and surely did not want anything being brought home. It wasn't even a topic till these boards opened .
I know it's a given now. But I remember .
I think this p.s.e is insane. As anyone with a working brain should. Or at least look up statistics cause nobody on this board wants to discuss any of this. It's that GIANT PURPLE ELEPHANT RIGHT OVER THERE IN THE CORNER PEEPS! lol
I'm glad u brought up this topic also gimme. Though I would never do any of the shit u are asking for even gfe.. lol
Meh...
I'm a bitch though....
I think men justice to pretend they aren't working women. Or maybe just don't care ... dunno. I've always wondered...when I ask they say they are thinking with Lil head at time. Pretty silly answer but it's a go to answer I can assure you. 😆🤣😂😹
Xxoo annie
And the men probably have done this with every provider they have seen.
Do the math.
No wonder Louisiana ranks top 5 in the county for aids and hepatitis. I can't even imagine the other s.t.ds...
Someone here I'm sure can play investigative reporter.
20 years ago literally nobody asked for even bbj. Old men sometimes but the answer was no.
They simply knew wtf we did and surely did not want anything being brought home. It wasn't even a topic till these boards opened .
I know it's a given now. But I remember .
I think this p.s.e is insane. As anyone with a working brain should. Or at least look up statistics cause nobody on this board wants to discuss any of this. It's that GIANT PURPLE ELEPHANT RIGHT OVER THERE IN THE CORNER PEEPS! lol
I'm glad u brought up this topic also gimme. Though I would never do any of the shit u are asking for even gfe.. lol
Meh...
I'm a bitch though....
I think men justice to pretend they aren't working women. Or maybe just don't care ... dunno. I've always wondered...when I ask they say they are thinking with Lil head at time. Pretty silly answer but it's a go to answer I can assure you. 😆🤣😂😹
Xxoo annie
- myren1900
- 03-31-2022, 05:19 PM
Annie,
What is going on ? Another rational post from you I completely agree with lol
It is crazy the risks some guys and girls are taking in this hobby. Everyone used to be much better about safety.
What is going on ? Another rational post from you I completely agree with lol
It is crazy the risks some guys and girls are taking in this hobby. Everyone used to be much better about safety.
- annie@christophers
- 04-01-2022, 01:53 PM
Annie,New and improved. Lol
What is going on ? Another rational post from you I completely agree with lol
It is crazy the risks some guys and girls are taking in this hobby. Everyone used to be much better about safety.
Actually I still believe I have a Sunday sewing circle group of men that meet after the n.y times crossword puzzle and THEN try to decipher the Annie code. Yup. Swear
True that.. and I aim to please. Lol
Ya see life's not a box of chocolates after all.. lol
- Ballistixz
- 04-01-2022, 08:44 PM
On the topic of BBJ and BBFS i think people who do this often should get tested often, say weekly if thats possible. That goes for both parties of man and woman. Both parties show results and if both are clean i see no issue in going for it. Not to say that is totally risk free but it atleast significantly reduces risk and puts everyone more at ease.
But un reality no one will do that because of lazyness and if you ask for a test result they will consider it an insult even if you show yours. Its a shame really as i think it can work out that way. Of course there are at home test kits to make this process easier but im not sure of the accuracy of that.
But un reality no one will do that because of lazyness and if you ask for a test result they will consider it an insult even if you show yours. Its a shame really as i think it can work out that way. Of course there are at home test kits to make this process easier but im not sure of the accuracy of that.
- myren1900
- 04-01-2022, 10:39 PM
^^^
Not necessarily a bad idea. But depending on the STD the times for testing positive after infection varies highly depending on the type of infection. For the most serious, HIV, the window of detection varies from 10 - 90 days depending on the detection method according to the website hiv.gov:
https://www.hiv.gov/hiv-basics/hiv-t...sting-overview
So it may not be the safest approach if you frequently are having sex.
Not necessarily a bad idea. But depending on the STD the times for testing positive after infection varies highly depending on the type of infection. For the most serious, HIV, the window of detection varies from 10 - 90 days depending on the detection method according to the website hiv.gov:
https://www.hiv.gov/hiv-basics/hiv-t...sting-overview
So it may not be the safest approach if you frequently are having sex.
- annie@christophers
- 04-02-2022, 12:09 PM
They ain't gonna do any of that shit. Or will lie about it.
How many out there think I could not get a fake vac card or testing card online. And ud buy it hook line AND SINKER..
JUST COVER IT..
AND NO THAT STUNNING 25 YEAR OLD DOES NOT ADORE YOU... YOUR MONEY IS WHAT SHE ADORES. SHES A GOOD LIAR..
LOL..
I was in such a simpler time my friends.
I was q whore and they were tricks. Alas The names.. lol
Sorry didn't need to be Debbie downer..
I adored the honesty back then. Loved my time in the sun....
Xxoo annie
How many out there think I could not get a fake vac card or testing card online. And ud buy it hook line AND SINKER..
JUST COVER IT..
AND NO THAT STUNNING 25 YEAR OLD DOES NOT ADORE YOU... YOUR MONEY IS WHAT SHE ADORES. SHES A GOOD LIAR..
LOL..
I was in such a simpler time my friends.
I was q whore and they were tricks. Alas The names.. lol
Sorry didn't need to be Debbie downer..
I adored the honesty back then. Loved my time in the sun....
Xxoo annie
- Ballistixz
- 04-04-2022, 07:30 PM
I would like to think that the reputable girls wouldn't lie about that if it were the case but everyone lies these days. A shame.