Ok, here is another one of those "how do they like it" questions.
I usually put cash in an blank envelope left in obvious site, by the sink or similar. I have heard some providers would just prefer the cash fanned out on a table or by the nightstand.
- Guest062514
- 04-05-2011, 02:28 PM
- Guest121711
- 04-05-2011, 02:38 PM
Depends on the lady I guess. I would rather have it placed in an envelope.
- Guest121212
- 04-05-2011, 02:46 PM
As long as you are polite when handing me my fee and we do not discuss the matter of my fee after your arrival, I have absolutely no preference. I'm a professional Escort, I charge a fee for my time (and that is perfectly legal - it doesn't need to be marked gift or donation, I'm not a charity - I pay my taxes - LOL). Politely handling business promptly and discreetly will put me (and most all other professionals), and subsequently you, at ease quickly and lead to an appointment where there is never a disappointment.
Kisses,
- Jackie
Kisses,
- Jackie
- kendra kayy
- 04-05-2011, 04:39 PM
As long as you are polite when handing me my fee and we do not discuss the matter of my fee after your arrival, I have absolutely no preference. I'm a professional Escort, I charge a fee for my time (and that is perfectly legal - it doesn't need to be marked gift or donation, I'm not a charity - I pay my taxes - LOL). Politely handling business promptly and discreetly will put me (and most all other professionals), and subsequently you, at ease quickly and lead to an appointment where there is never a disappointment.
Kisses,
- Jackie Originally Posted by jackie@sintropolis
I'm with Jackie!!
- MsElena
- 04-05-2011, 08:34 PM
Jackie,
Damnit girl, is there not a post where we don't think alike? We spend too much time together.
Damnit girl, is there not a post where we don't think alike? We spend too much time together.
- funlover402
- 04-05-2011, 08:53 PM
good to know how to handle this matter
- Guest121212
- 04-05-2011, 11:45 PM
I would like to expound upon my reply for clarity. My initial reply to this thread simply states my own personal preference, it may be one that is shared by a number of Escorts and providers, however, there are a few caveats.
As an aside, I notice Omaha (and Nebraska in general) see a LOT of "traveling" ladies. It is VERY common for some ladies to have a MUCH different view of how to handle their fee . . . especially younger ladies and those new(er) to the endeavor.
Overall, some people (both men and women) have been taught or told that by using an envelope, it is best for discretion. Some have been told that if it is marked as a gift or even as a loan, they cannot be prosecuted over the issue of the fee. Some may only refer to a fee as a "donation", again erroneously thinking or believing that this will somehow insulate them from prosecution. Some will ask for their fee to be placed in an envelope in plain sight and others may ask for it to be placed fanned out across a table or dresser and then they might not even touch it until after the session.
I'll address each of these one by one and then give a few pointers to ensure that no matter what, you (the gentleman reader) will most likely never make a mistake!
First off, there's nothing needing discretion in accepting a fee, IMO. It is a business transaction and it should be treated as such - but the business and the fantasy will be (should be) kept separate if you visit a true professional. Business first, then get lost in the moment and the fantasy. Discretion in the form of an envelope at this point simply slows the process of transacting business, IMHO. Now, there is nothing WRONG with handing me (or anyone else) their fee in an envelope - and if it makes YOU, the paying client feel better, then by all means do it! For me personally, I have no preference. As I state on my Website, just hand me my professional fee gently and politely, without me asking for it, immediately.
Second, marking the envelope (or the card and envelope) as a gift - or as ANYTHING else (a loan, school supplies) - will not insulate the lady from a legal entanglement any more than it would you, the gentleman client, if you handed the fee in an envelope marked "gift" to an undercover LEO. If you (or her) have at ANY time, directly or by inference (possibly in the form of the actual advertisement), contracted a sexual act for money and it is all going to go wrong - marking it as a gift will not make it go any "less wrong". Plus, IMO, again, if you are going to give me a gift, put some thought into it and give me something personal. Cash is not a gift I care to receive. Craft me a greeting card that you've hand drawn. Pick a flower from property that doesn't belong to you and present it to me with the thrill of larceny still coursing through your veins. Tell me I bring sunshine into your day. Those gifts are the best. Some ladies will ask you to do this (the specific multiple step envelope routine) simply to make you jump through hoops to get it done to ascertain if you are compliant and if they have control or, if you're an easy upsell becasue you follow directions and you'll complete a task she asks you to do in order to see her - but there are risks for the lady . . One is (that I have personally seen happen) gentlemen stop at the hotel desk to ask for an envelope, place the money inside, ask for a pen and mark it as a gift and then ask for directions to the room - everything done in plain view of a clerk or manager. Guys wait until the last minute and take the path of least resistance . . . See how this can all go wrong??? But, that is not always the case and if it makes her happy, do it if you really want to see her - just know that it MAY be a precursor to milking you for more if the steps are very detailed and the task seems "excessive" in the insistence on how it must be done precisely.
Third, the dreaded "donation". I despise the use of the word becasue it implies that I may be somehow less than you, the client - that I am in need of charity or I am somehow found wanting or left needing. I am not, and the psychological play that goes with using the term can get a lady hurt if it is the wrong gentleman and he takes the term "donation" very literally. I could go on and on, but there's an even greater reason I don't use the term - becasue using it actually leaves one more open to prosecution. If I have a fee for TIME, and not a donation for something nebulous, it is difficult to establish that I have contracted for an illegal act - I have only asked for remuneration for my time. That is 100% completely legal. I'm not a charity, and I have seen overzealous prosecutors file charges on more than one lady for asking for a donation when doing so violated that State's fundraising laws and they did not have the proper documentation on file with the Secretary of State's office to solicit donations for a charity that obviously does not exist - which is - yup, bingo, another charge! . . . I have never yet seen an Escort or provider registered as a 501(c)(3) exempt organization. So, why use the word donation at all? Again, just my opinion drawn from experience.
As for those ladies that prefer to see that it is there (their fee) but they don't pick it up until after a session . . well, they may feel that it is uncouth if they do so beforehand. I respectfully disagree. They may also feel that if they are going to get "pinched" that the LEO will not have sex with them and then arrest them, after they've picked it up (their fee) . . . Oh, how WRONG they are - there are NUMEROUS instances of undercover LEOs having full sex prior to arrest - NUMEROUS. The public usually doesn't like to hear about such tactics, but then they don't always hear about everything, do they? Also, if the client is playing any "games" then there is the possibility that the lady might not be able to collect her full fee if she waits, he may have shorted her either accidentally or purposefully - or that the fee may not be genuine currency . . . There is SO much that can go wrong in this instance that again, IMHO, it isn't worth the risk, even with a regular client. People change over time, and sometimes not for the better. Business first, then the fantasy.
Here's the bottom line - YOU (the client) will NEVER be able to talk an Escort or provider out of doing it HER way if she has offered an opinion on how she would like to accpet HER FEE. And, that is what it is, it is a fee. Calling it anything else is a game of semantics and it is entirely unnecessary. So, if she's stated a preference on the phone or on her Website, FOLLOW HER DIRECTIONS, no matter how you may feel about it personally, becasue it will put her at ease and you'll have much better chances of having a great time.
There are a couple of very important rules of etiquette when it comes to fees, however, and NO MATTER WHAT, you need to observe and follow these rules, again, IMHO:
Never discuss the fee at ANY time prior to meeting as anything other than an amount of money for TIME. Never ask for or infer that the fee will guarantee you ANY sexual act. Doing so is ILLEGAL. Money for time, only. EVER. And guys, DON'T use abbreviations or code ("Do you speak Greek?"), they'll only get you in trouble, everyone KNOWS what it means and a true professional is going to decline the appointment request if you speak that way.
Let her take the lead in all conversations prior to meeting her (voice, text or email) when it comes to her fee. If she is a lady that insists on calling it a donation, call it a donation! If she says gift, call it a gift! You can't go wrong if you follow her lead and do likewise. Doing anything else may set off a red flag for her and you may not get that date you want . . . regardless if you know that calling it anything other than a fee is well, unnecessary.
NEVER, EVER, EVER discuss the fee in person after you arrive (or after she arrives). PRE-COUNT the fee and don't show up with less than the agreed upon amount, if you do, you may (read: WILL) get the boot. Follow her directions and make sure she is at ease. NEVER make her ask you for it, just do as she has instructed.
IF IN THE OFF CHANCE she has not stated a preference and she does not take the lead regarding the fee, after a few VERY SHORT minutes, simply place the fee in plain sight - and then ignore it. Conversely, you can do this when you arrive (or when she arrives) immediately, if it is logistically feasible. Just don't wait too long if it is a first meeting! Make sure it is counted and that you're good to go - don't ever count it in front of her. If there is ANY hint of uncomfortableness from her, then step up your game a little and say something like, "Hey, I know your time is very valuable and I really do appreciate that you have chosen to spend it with me. I know that you have a professional fee for your time - and ONLY for your TIME, and nothing else . . . I'd like to show you my appreciation by taking care of that now, so that we may both be at ease and we don't have to discuss it, now or later, or ever . . and, frankly, it would make me feel more relaxed to get it out of the way so you really do know how much I truly appreciate you and your time". If you do THAT right, your actions combined with your words will get your world ROCKED. But, 9 times out of 10, you're never going to need to use the line, placing the fee in plain sight will get her to take the initiative - just be sure to pick up on her clues . . . but if she at all looks uncomfortable, drop the line.
That's how to handle the matter as a gentleman, IMHO.
Oh, and Elena, I love you dearly my friend, and there's no such thing as spending too much time with someone you love.
Kisses all,
- Jackie
As an aside, I notice Omaha (and Nebraska in general) see a LOT of "traveling" ladies. It is VERY common for some ladies to have a MUCH different view of how to handle their fee . . . especially younger ladies and those new(er) to the endeavor.
Overall, some people (both men and women) have been taught or told that by using an envelope, it is best for discretion. Some have been told that if it is marked as a gift or even as a loan, they cannot be prosecuted over the issue of the fee. Some may only refer to a fee as a "donation", again erroneously thinking or believing that this will somehow insulate them from prosecution. Some will ask for their fee to be placed in an envelope in plain sight and others may ask for it to be placed fanned out across a table or dresser and then they might not even touch it until after the session.
I'll address each of these one by one and then give a few pointers to ensure that no matter what, you (the gentleman reader) will most likely never make a mistake!
First off, there's nothing needing discretion in accepting a fee, IMO. It is a business transaction and it should be treated as such - but the business and the fantasy will be (should be) kept separate if you visit a true professional. Business first, then get lost in the moment and the fantasy. Discretion in the form of an envelope at this point simply slows the process of transacting business, IMHO. Now, there is nothing WRONG with handing me (or anyone else) their fee in an envelope - and if it makes YOU, the paying client feel better, then by all means do it! For me personally, I have no preference. As I state on my Website, just hand me my professional fee gently and politely, without me asking for it, immediately.
Second, marking the envelope (or the card and envelope) as a gift - or as ANYTHING else (a loan, school supplies) - will not insulate the lady from a legal entanglement any more than it would you, the gentleman client, if you handed the fee in an envelope marked "gift" to an undercover LEO. If you (or her) have at ANY time, directly or by inference (possibly in the form of the actual advertisement), contracted a sexual act for money and it is all going to go wrong - marking it as a gift will not make it go any "less wrong". Plus, IMO, again, if you are going to give me a gift, put some thought into it and give me something personal. Cash is not a gift I care to receive. Craft me a greeting card that you've hand drawn. Pick a flower from property that doesn't belong to you and present it to me with the thrill of larceny still coursing through your veins. Tell me I bring sunshine into your day. Those gifts are the best. Some ladies will ask you to do this (the specific multiple step envelope routine) simply to make you jump through hoops to get it done to ascertain if you are compliant and if they have control or, if you're an easy upsell becasue you follow directions and you'll complete a task she asks you to do in order to see her - but there are risks for the lady . . One is (that I have personally seen happen) gentlemen stop at the hotel desk to ask for an envelope, place the money inside, ask for a pen and mark it as a gift and then ask for directions to the room - everything done in plain view of a clerk or manager. Guys wait until the last minute and take the path of least resistance . . . See how this can all go wrong??? But, that is not always the case and if it makes her happy, do it if you really want to see her - just know that it MAY be a precursor to milking you for more if the steps are very detailed and the task seems "excessive" in the insistence on how it must be done precisely.
Third, the dreaded "donation". I despise the use of the word becasue it implies that I may be somehow less than you, the client - that I am in need of charity or I am somehow found wanting or left needing. I am not, and the psychological play that goes with using the term can get a lady hurt if it is the wrong gentleman and he takes the term "donation" very literally. I could go on and on, but there's an even greater reason I don't use the term - becasue using it actually leaves one more open to prosecution. If I have a fee for TIME, and not a donation for something nebulous, it is difficult to establish that I have contracted for an illegal act - I have only asked for remuneration for my time. That is 100% completely legal. I'm not a charity, and I have seen overzealous prosecutors file charges on more than one lady for asking for a donation when doing so violated that State's fundraising laws and they did not have the proper documentation on file with the Secretary of State's office to solicit donations for a charity that obviously does not exist - which is - yup, bingo, another charge! . . . I have never yet seen an Escort or provider registered as a 501(c)(3) exempt organization. So, why use the word donation at all? Again, just my opinion drawn from experience.
As for those ladies that prefer to see that it is there (their fee) but they don't pick it up until after a session . . well, they may feel that it is uncouth if they do so beforehand. I respectfully disagree. They may also feel that if they are going to get "pinched" that the LEO will not have sex with them and then arrest them, after they've picked it up (their fee) . . . Oh, how WRONG they are - there are NUMEROUS instances of undercover LEOs having full sex prior to arrest - NUMEROUS. The public usually doesn't like to hear about such tactics, but then they don't always hear about everything, do they? Also, if the client is playing any "games" then there is the possibility that the lady might not be able to collect her full fee if she waits, he may have shorted her either accidentally or purposefully - or that the fee may not be genuine currency . . . There is SO much that can go wrong in this instance that again, IMHO, it isn't worth the risk, even with a regular client. People change over time, and sometimes not for the better. Business first, then the fantasy.
Here's the bottom line - YOU (the client) will NEVER be able to talk an Escort or provider out of doing it HER way if she has offered an opinion on how she would like to accpet HER FEE. And, that is what it is, it is a fee. Calling it anything else is a game of semantics and it is entirely unnecessary. So, if she's stated a preference on the phone or on her Website, FOLLOW HER DIRECTIONS, no matter how you may feel about it personally, becasue it will put her at ease and you'll have much better chances of having a great time.
There are a couple of very important rules of etiquette when it comes to fees, however, and NO MATTER WHAT, you need to observe and follow these rules, again, IMHO:
Never discuss the fee at ANY time prior to meeting as anything other than an amount of money for TIME. Never ask for or infer that the fee will guarantee you ANY sexual act. Doing so is ILLEGAL. Money for time, only. EVER. And guys, DON'T use abbreviations or code ("Do you speak Greek?"), they'll only get you in trouble, everyone KNOWS what it means and a true professional is going to decline the appointment request if you speak that way.
Let her take the lead in all conversations prior to meeting her (voice, text or email) when it comes to her fee. If she is a lady that insists on calling it a donation, call it a donation! If she says gift, call it a gift! You can't go wrong if you follow her lead and do likewise. Doing anything else may set off a red flag for her and you may not get that date you want . . . regardless if you know that calling it anything other than a fee is well, unnecessary.
NEVER, EVER, EVER discuss the fee in person after you arrive (or after she arrives). PRE-COUNT the fee and don't show up with less than the agreed upon amount, if you do, you may (read: WILL) get the boot. Follow her directions and make sure she is at ease. NEVER make her ask you for it, just do as she has instructed.
IF IN THE OFF CHANCE she has not stated a preference and she does not take the lead regarding the fee, after a few VERY SHORT minutes, simply place the fee in plain sight - and then ignore it. Conversely, you can do this when you arrive (or when she arrives) immediately, if it is logistically feasible. Just don't wait too long if it is a first meeting! Make sure it is counted and that you're good to go - don't ever count it in front of her. If there is ANY hint of uncomfortableness from her, then step up your game a little and say something like, "Hey, I know your time is very valuable and I really do appreciate that you have chosen to spend it with me. I know that you have a professional fee for your time - and ONLY for your TIME, and nothing else . . . I'd like to show you my appreciation by taking care of that now, so that we may both be at ease and we don't have to discuss it, now or later, or ever . . and, frankly, it would make me feel more relaxed to get it out of the way so you really do know how much I truly appreciate you and your time". If you do THAT right, your actions combined with your words will get your world ROCKED. But, 9 times out of 10, you're never going to need to use the line, placing the fee in plain sight will get her to take the initiative - just be sure to pick up on her clues . . . but if she at all looks uncomfortable, drop the line.
That's how to handle the matter as a gentleman, IMHO.
Oh, and Elena, I love you dearly my friend, and there's no such thing as spending too much time with someone you love.
Kisses all,
- Jackie
- saxcat81
- 04-06-2011, 02:55 PM
Jackie, Thanks for the information, IMO all us Hobbiest can use it.
I wish there was some way to have a prepayment method. I meet with an out of town Woman and sent a prepayment through OBOPAY. When I got the email confirming payment was received it had her name on it. Forwarded it to her and told her I would not give her name to anyone. She thanked me for being discreet, told me she was not going to use OBOPAY anymore because of that.
I wish there was some way to have a prepayment method. I meet with an out of town Woman and sent a prepayment through OBOPAY. When I got the email confirming payment was received it had her name on it. Forwarded it to her and told her I would not give her name to anyone. She thanked me for being discreet, told me she was not going to use OBOPAY anymore because of that.
- Brasky
- 04-06-2011, 05:29 PM
Thanks for the info ladies! I usually put it on the table or whatever when emptying my pockets, key phone etc..except just set the fee aside a little. Never used an envelope. Good advice to always follow directions if available in advance.
- Guest121212
- 04-06-2011, 10:51 PM
I just revisited this thread and realized that my post above was quite verbose, I'm so sorry - but frankly, I couldn't figure a way to get all that info out in a shorter manner. Forgive me, please.
Kisses all,
- Jackie
Kisses all,
- Jackie
- Guest062514
- 04-09-2011, 08:25 PM
Wow Jackie, I don't have to read War and Peace tonight!! It was a great post and good for all!
- Guest021115
- 04-12-2011, 02:53 PM
Jackie,
Once again, I have learned a few new things from you. Thank you, from me and all the other providers you help along the way to stay safe and sane!
Sweet Kisses,
Staci
p.s. I, personally, like for it to be already displayed on a table when I arrive if I am visiting someone at their location, or laid down discreetly immediately upon their arrival, if at mine. Also, no, it's not cool to me if you put it in the bathroom! Am I supposed to wait til after the session to see if I've been duped?! lol That's a 50/50 chance I'm not willing to take. My time is FAR too valuable for that mess! Although I wouldn't hesitate to verify and claim my FEE from the bathroom first, it would certainly make me feel awkward and would bring unnecessary tension and early feelings of mistrust between us! Handle business first, the right way (for that provider), so you can move on to bigger and better things! Just my .02!
Once again, I have learned a few new things from you. Thank you, from me and all the other providers you help along the way to stay safe and sane!
Sweet Kisses,
Staci
p.s. I, personally, like for it to be already displayed on a table when I arrive if I am visiting someone at their location, or laid down discreetly immediately upon their arrival, if at mine. Also, no, it's not cool to me if you put it in the bathroom! Am I supposed to wait til after the session to see if I've been duped?! lol That's a 50/50 chance I'm not willing to take. My time is FAR too valuable for that mess! Although I wouldn't hesitate to verify and claim my FEE from the bathroom first, it would certainly make me feel awkward and would bring unnecessary tension and early feelings of mistrust between us! Handle business first, the right way (for that provider), so you can move on to bigger and better things! Just my .02!
- John Bull
- 04-12-2011, 04:27 PM
As one who has been in hobby since fresh water was invented, I can say that I've handed cash to providers, I've put it in plain white envelopes and put it - on the dresser, in the bathroome, in her hands, and on the coffee table.
The two main things are; I've never had a payment (props to Jackie) returned, an LE would or could have done the same thing and it wouldn't change the arrest one bit. LOL
The two main things are; I've never had a payment (props to Jackie) returned, an LE would or could have done the same thing and it wouldn't change the arrest one bit. LOL
- farmstud60
- 04-22-2011, 07:04 AM
I always use incall, and the first thing I do is put the money on a table in plain site, or since I love women who wear stockings, put the money in the bag with the stockings and mention there is something extra there. I then usually excuse myself to the bathroom so the lovely lady can count it if she wishes. I sure don't fault anyone for making sure their time is compensated for.
- MsElena
- 04-22-2011, 08:55 AM
Did someone say stockings? (My eyes just got really big) 