Help me to understand this!!!!

I’m trying to understand why so many hobbist are willing to donate $400.+
for an hr. I know we have inflation but it seems the providers throw it out
there because they know they will get some takers!

I’m trying to understand why so many hobbist are willing to donate $400.+
for an hr. I know we have inflation but it seems the providers throw it out
there because they know they will get some takers! Originally Posted by Financeman22

Ten years ago the best looking providers were asking for and getting $300 roses for the hour. For example that was the rate for Shea Veile back then. Not picking on anyone. Just wanted to use someone who is known for her appearance. My point is the rates just won't stay at the $300 rate forever. The best looking girls can ask for a higher rate and they will get it. If the unemployment rate rises from 4% to 7-8% then rates may go back to where they were.

Plus there is money in Dallas. Look at Highland Park, it has one of the highest income average per capita in the USA. Not all of Dallas is like that. In general guys have money to spend. Some ladies run specials from time to time. You need to check the daily line up on OH2.

I'm going to preface what I'm about to say by stating that I'm one of the more "reasonably priced" providers... but...

If you think $400 is on the high end, you need to get out more. Lots and lots of ladies out there in the $600, $700, $800 range these days. The ladies with the looks, business acumen, and good attitudes can and do charge premium rates-- and get it regularly. Heck-- there are plenty of ladies that are not conventionally pretty that charge double what I charge and do a thriving business-- marketing is a large part of that and just knowing your target market.

adav8s28-- while some rates may go down with a rise in unemployment-- that isn't always true. I still remember back in 2008-- there were plenty of ladies back then charging 700-800-1000 and getting it. They just stuck to their guns and had a targeted market. Some gents shop for exclusivity.

Not only do we have inflation, but their will also be a depression soon and guys are going to wish they had the money back.


No matter how much they charge for their donation, they can be fat, out of shape, over the hill (provider years), below average looks and give shitty service, the providers will still get premium donation prices and coddled in this industry.

Especially with the lack of service (unless you call a provider going thru the motions and laying there catatonic a great time), no vendor provider is worth more than $300 for an hour, I do not care how much you can afford. A fool and his money are soon parted ways and we have lots of those.

I am so glad I have my regulars that grandfather me in with prices they charged before their donations doubled.

I am so glad I have my regulars that grandfather me in with prices they charged before their donations doubled. Originally Posted by Wile E Coyote

I think there are a lot of gentlemen out there who feel the same as you in regards to the regular ladies on their rosters who take care of them.

Its a two way street, boys. If you have ladies that you enjoy-- make sure you take care of them. When those rates go up, your chances of being someone they think fondly of enough to make a deal with-- go up exponentially.

1. If you’re a provider, would you do it for $400 with don’t know who is on other side (ugly old fat woman)?
2. Like Grace stated, $400 isn’t bad at all. It is on low spectrum. I have seen rate high as $1.2k per HOUR.
3. If you can’t afford $400, you shouldn’t hobby or go find street walkers.

When I returned to the hobby last summer after a several-year hiatus, I went through sticker shock. In my most active days (2017) on P4, $300/hr seemed to be the norm in Dallas. (Not based on any hard data; just my sense of pricing.) Now those rates are much higher, and $400 in Dallas is pretty typical. In fact, I did a search on P4 this morning with the only criteria being "Dallas" as the location and "300" as the companion rate limit. Total providers? 44. This is out of 328 total for Dallas. Yup, less than 15%.

I do agree with Grace that there are more and more providers charging higher and higher prices simply because they can get it. I don't think, as is commonly believed on these boards, that this dynamic is solely due to GPS. I think it's more a screening tactic that the ladies employ to, as Grace mention, target a specific market. Take a look at what Olivia said in this thread, https://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=2342293&page=4, "Having higher rates tends to weed out the ones who expect a laundry list of things from me vs letting things flow naturally." It has nothing to do with vaginas changing over the last 10 years.

I also agree with adav8s28 that guys having the money to spend is the other side of that coin. Guys are willing to pay top-dollar for the illusion of exclusivity, which is ironic given the nature of the hobby. I understand the battle that every man goes through to come to terms with this nature. Guys want sex with lots of hot girls, and they don't want to share them. But, the guys don't have the market value to pull those girls (e.g., they're married, old, or overweight), so they have to pay for the privilege. Problem is that other guys are also paying. Now there's a conflict: We don't want to share but we have to share to get access. To mitigate this, what's a guy to do? Well, IF you have the money, you pay for access to the higher-priced providers because not many other guys can, or are willing, to pay those prices. You get to see the girls of your dreams and you accept that a few other guys are seeing her, too. If you're a guy on a budget, you drop your standards re looks, reliability, and communication, and you convince yourself that a provider seeing 2-3 guys a day is "not that much."

I remember when it was $100 per hour and all the girls were fine as hell

People don’t set prices, markets do. They’re charging $400 because some folks are willing to pay. Folks are willing to pay because seeing that particular provider seems to them to be worth whatever else they might spend dollars on. Or that they’ll get more than $100 extra pleasure than they would with a $300 provider. If they’re not worth $400, they won’t get business.

I’m trying to understand why so many hobbist are willing to donate $400.+
for an hr. I know we have inflation but it seems the providers throw it out
there because they know they will get some takers! Originally Posted by Financeman22

Because that's what it costs to get what is wanted. Not everyone just wants a hole to put it in. That's average if not low these days for a quality escort. All depends on what you want. And regardless of the cheap wads, if a gal can get it, she is not overpriced and why would she drop her prices again?

There is a $1000 an hour escort in Chicago that I would go see in a heartbeat if I could afford it. I would even pay her $15,000 a weekend and consider it money well spent. That's not even all that high any more

I think there are a lot of gentlemen out there who feel the same as you in regards to the regular ladies on their rosters who take care of them.

Its a two way street, boys. If you have ladies that you enjoy-- make sure you take care of them. When those rates go up, your chances of being someone they think fondly of enough to make a deal with-- go up exponentially. Originally Posted by Grace Preston

A hobbyist takes of the providers he enjoys by seeing her for sessions regularly and referring her to others via a review or word of mouth or both. Now if you are talking about expensive gifts, paying for bills over and above the donation, putting her on medical benefits, ect. well, she better being doing more with me that just an hour of service per meet in order for me to even entertain those thoughts.

As far as the old adage of "spending more means you get better looks/service" is one of the dumbest sayings in the hobby world. The ones who feel that way must be blind and naive. Most all providers feel they deserve premium prices and can do lame service, let their bodies go to hell and have a shit attitude to boot and it has been conditioned over time by the guys who put up that crap. Take a look at the image galleries of many of these providers, especially the ones that want to charge $400+. Look at the way the ladies speak condescendingly to guys, especially those who do not let the ladies walk all over them.

I can guarantee that the ladies I see regularly do more/better quality for me than the guys who spend $200+ more for her services. For the guys who say if they could afford a HDH, what good is that if she is priced so high that he cannot see her? How is that gratitude and praise paying her bills?

Because that's what it costs to get what is wanted. Not everyone just wants a hole to put it in. That's average if not low these days for a quality escort. All depends on what you want. And regardless of the cheap wads, if a gal can get it, she is not overpriced and why would she drop her prices again?

There is a $1000 an hour escort in Chicago that I would go see in a heartbeat if I could afford it. I would even pay her $15,000 a weekend and consider it money well spent. That's not even all that high any more Originally Posted by oldbutstillgoing

@ 100% Because that's what it costs to get what is wanted. Not everyone just wants a hole to put it in. That's average if not low these days for a quality escort. All depends on what you want. And regardless of the cheap wads, if a gal can get it, she is not overpriced and why would she drop her prices again?

A hobbyist takes of the providers he enjoys by seeing her for sessions regularly and referring her to others via a review or word of mouth or both. Now if you are talking about expensive gifts, paying for bills over and above the donation, putting her on medical benefits, ect. well, she better being doing more with me that just an hour of service per meet in order for me to even entertain those thoughts.
Originally Posted by Wile E Coyote

That first sentence is exactly what I mean by "taking care of the ladies". I mean-- I'm sure that there are some who are about the gifts, extras, etc... but in my experience-- my favorite clients also tend to be my most reliable. The ones where all I have to do is shoot them a message saying what week I'm coming and they're on the books. Every single one of em knows that I'm going to book them up first and not announce a trip publicly until after they've all secured their preferred times. We both make effort-- otherwise, what's the point?

For the guys. Here's some wisdom....

Pussy is not an endangered species!
There are more females than guys on this planet!
Pussy is pussy and all pink inside!

For the womens. If you can get higher prices. Great. Also, the wk's responding negatively to my post. Women, there's a potential client!

Grace at post 3
and
TTH at post 9
are both correct.

As for markets....
NYC, Boston & DC rates are usually just under a thous currently. Chicago a smidge less. Some gals can get a thous.
ECG's friends cruise what they call the lake circuit and book at their listed rates.
They even get that in KC and STL when they circle through.
Long discussion about Texas last fall cause we do hit horse shows there, but nope.
Texas rates are low, and always have been, contrasted to elsewhere. Some think 400 is high?. Nope.

Btw, there's not a day in KC when there's not a Texan on line there.
They come north as their rates in KC easily cover travel expenses.