A Different Question Regarding GFE (Full -vs- Limited)

Please DO NOT let this to get into a debate on the definition of GFE. That has been beat to death. I know we all have our own version of what that means.

I prefer FULL GFE. I know my definition of it. When I look at Provider Showcases, there are a number of things I look at. First, would I physically be attracted to her based on photos. Second, what does her showcase indicate she provides. That is the space just below where her donation requirements are shown. Third, I read several times many reviews to determine her definition of what she provides. Do the reviews (listed activities and the ROS) match what the provider says is what she provides. I realize some activities might be the guys preference, some might be a YMMV type situation ... So more than a few reviews need to be read.

My question as it relates to this thread is the 2nd thing above that I look at in a Providers Showcase. I have noticed numerous times that a Provider will show that she provides for example ... PSE, Escort GFE, Escort GFE (Limited).

I am not concerned with the PSE in this question. But why does a Provider show both Escort GFE and Escort GFE (Limited)?

It confuses me? I assume it might confuse others? I do not want to start questioning a Provider about what she will and will not do. I feel that takes away from natural chemistry in the session. But it also leaves me doubting if I want to take a chance on that provider as I am not looking for Limited GFE. Yes, I know the activities in the reviews will clear that up. But why show both? To me, you are either one or the other? Please educate me?

I would prefer to hear from ladies who do indicate both in their profile. But guys chime in as well if you have an inside as to what you have learned with various providers.

For those providers who show both in their profile, is it a case where use guys need to ask for one or the other?

Or do you just go with the flow during the session allowing the guy to keep it at Limited GFE if he so chooses?

Or what am I missing?

P411 used to be very specific as to what the lady was open to. that was changed so if there is any specific fetish you may want to save it until your 2nd meeting and ask her if she is open to it

My take is i want at least GFE and anything short of full GFE is waste of time and resources. GFE/PSE is the preferred combo. I'm only interested in an explanation of Limited or GFE Lite.

Years a go the women would not allow kissing or close contact. That day and attitude is no longer used with the women I will date. To me GFE includes first of all DFK and close contact. Hell I get a kiss on the cheek from my aunts. I think there needs to be a definite definition of GFE and PSE. This tread is a great place to get every one to agree on the definition.

Limited GFE is probably a ymmv thing. Some guys will get full GFE and some won't.

Years a go the women would not allow kissing or close contact. That day and attitude is no longer used with the women I will date. To me GFE includes first of all DFK and close contact. Hell I get a kiss on the cheek from my aunts. I think there needs to be a definite definition of GFE and PSE. This tread is a great place to get every one to agree on the definition. Originally Posted by tucson

There is, and never will be a "definitive definition" of GFE. It is a true mythical illusion.

I want a review to say if the photos are accurate, tell me if DFK, etc., is available, and describe the intangible attitude. I can decide if it fits my wish list. Relying upon anyone's definition of "GFE", GFE-lite", "Mostly GFE", "Sort-of-GFE", "Super GFE", or "Pseudo-GFE" is a guarantee of disappointment. And an unnecessary one if reviewers would quit being lazy.

I've never heard of that GFE limited, I've been in this hobby for 10 years. Maybe it's another way to upsell? I'm sure the definition varies from provider to provider just like the definition of GFE and PSE. I offer GFE, there's a large number of people who believe PSE is unprotected. There is also a belief that PSE is unlimited as far as services. Regardless of what I believe the definition of PSE to be, I'll get these kind of responses if I put it in my ads.

The best thing to do is check a provider's reviews and never assume something is offered.

Everyone's definition of GFE is different. Reviews are very helpful if they are well written, but even that doesn't guarantee that she will be the same with you as she was with the reviewer. She might have seen that reviewer a dozen times and you're considering your first date, so she could understandably be more cautious or reserved with you. If you're like me and have a somewhat limited hobby budget, you want to know what to expect before you set up a date. I have specific things I look for as I'm sure most guys do.

You can't discuss things safely in advance, by text, email or phone. So, what do you do?

For my last two dates, I tried to find a safe way to get the information I wanted and it worked well. What I did was to call the lady and during the conversation I asked if we could talk about some past experiences with friends. Then I mentioned certain things that prior girlfriends did that I enjoyed. The lady I was speaking would reply with either "oh, I like that" or "ugh, I don't do that". It worked out really well and would work in any form of communication.

I am still wetting my feet in this world. It interests me immensely. From reading here i am seeing any that dfk are considering themselves gfe.

To me , and this would be my preference. if i were to endulge. gfe would be smiles, cuddles, dfk, caressing each other, maybe even a dinner date before. The ILLUSION of Intamacy.

PSE would be no holds barred. No kissing. Anything goes including greek. Do what i want amd you will like it. No ILLUSION of intamacy

Just as I thought not one person will give a guess of what GFE is. As suggested we will just have to read all of the provider reviews.

Many times it can be YMMV. (Your mileage may vary) One lady might not miss or do bbbj with one while another will do bbbjcimnqns.
Or maybe not kiss with one, while rimming another's asshole.
What Gfe for one, may be pad for another.
Usually just boils down to trust.

I've never heard of that GFE limited, I've been in this hobby for 10 years. Maybe it's another way to upsell? I'm sure the definition varies from provider to provider just like the definition of GFE and PSE. I offer GFE, there's a large number of people who believe PSE is unprotected. There is also a belief that PSE is unlimited as far as services. Regardless of what I believe the definition of PSE to be, I'll get these kind of responses if I put it in my ads.

The best thing to do is check a provider's reviews and never assume something is offered. Originally Posted by Becca Blossoms

Good point never assume something offer on paid session.

Just as I thought not one person will give a guess of what GFE is. As suggested we will just have to read all of the provider reviews. Originally Posted by tucson

Yep, hard to define something that has a different meaning to a wide variety of people, men and women. Urban Dictionary has 7 definitions and it seems the common aspect is that it includes cuddling, kissing, conversation and BBBJ in almost all. After reading through them, for my purposes and what I suggest to this community, is to accept the one definition that indicates it was provided by an Escort Agency Owner. After all, if several knowledgeable and experienced people can't agree on something, but it would be helpful to have a definition as a basis for further discussion, what do you do? I submit that you go with the established expert's definition. Here's the definition I am referring to from Urban Dictionary:

Girlfriend Experience.

The provider/escort will provide a girlfriend experience meaning she may do some are all of the following, further determining if she is a FULL GFE or Light GFE.

Talking first then playing, Kissing, bbbj, dfk, letting the client go down on her, cuddling, no rush, no clock watching.

Some GFE's do not like to kiss but will give a bbbj, this makes them a light GFE, vs. a FULL GFE will perform as well as RECIEVE!

sepearating this from a PSE (pornstar experience) is that a PSE will not talk first like a girlfreind, they just get straight to the sex part, and Never use a condom. that is a PSE.

by escort agency owner April 23, 2009

If the community agreed to accept this as a definition of GFE, then everyone would know what to expect initially and individual tastes, wants, limits, ads, etc. could be discussed, adjusted and edited to meet individual needs. Providers could include in their ads: "Full GFE minus BBBJ or minus DFK (after all, wouldn't you prefer my tongue gets tired out below the waist versus above?)" for example. Hobbyists could inquire "I prefer Full GFE but no talking isn't a deal breaker for me (after all, how much can you say with my dick in your mouth?)".

I think this would make sense, but, alas, never will everyone agree to any definition. I really doubt Hobbyists care as much about it as providers. I think Providers want to be known as GFE for marketing purposes and will never agree that they can't be considered GFE unless they meet all of the above defined criteria.

So, the bottom line is, IMO, don't get hung up on definitions and instead rely on HONEST reviews or, better yet, an actual conversation with a Provider to meet your needs as a Hobbyist. Buyer beware.

Girlfriend Experience.

The provider/escort will provide a girlfriend experience meaning she may do some are all of the following, further determining if she is a FULL GFE or Light GFE.

Talking first then playing, Kissing, bbbj, dfk, letting the client go down on her, cuddling, no rush, no clock watching.

Some GFE's do not like to kiss but will give a bbbj, this makes them a light GFE, vs. a FULL GFE will perform as well as RECIEVE!

sepearating this from a PSE (pornstar experience) is that a PSE will not talk first like a girlfreind, they just get straight to the sex part, and Never use a condom. that is a PSE.

by escort agency owner April 23, 2009
This is the best answer yet and pretty much what I feel is GFE.