Uh oh. That whole Canadian thing is already rearing it's ugly head. Brought to you, and supported by, GOP psychos everywhere. Reap what you sow.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...orn-in-canada/
- timpage
- 08-12-2013, 12:53 PM
- Chica Chaser
- 08-12-2013, 01:00 PM
Dems probably should be worried about Ted, it won't be long until one of them bring it up again, surprising.
Just like Obama, the birth certificate is the determining factor. Who's seen it yet?
And no one gives a fuck what The Donald has to say about anything political. That was proven several years ago.
Just like Obama, the birth certificate is the determining factor. Who's seen it yet?
And no one gives a fuck what The Donald has to say about anything political. That was proven several years ago.
- CJ7
- 08-12-2013, 01:02 PM
- Chica Chaser
- 08-12-2013, 01:21 PM
edited....theres a douchebag in every crowd. LOL!
- CJ7
- 08-12-2013, 01:27 PM
- timpage
- 08-12-2013, 02:04 PM
Dems probably should be worried about Ted, it won't be long until one of them bring it up again, surprising.Oh, somebody else the Dems should be worried about. It's been a long line the past few years. And, I hate to remind you but a lot of people, all Republicans, cared a great deal about what The Donald had to say, just a very short time ago. He's yours, live with it, as embarrassing as it is.
Just like Obama, the birth certificate is the determining factor. Who's seen it yet?
And no one gives a fuck what The Donald has to say about anything political. That was proven several years ago. Originally Posted by Chica Chaser
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/polit...trunner/36723/
Cruz is a whacko, won't have mainstream moderate independent appeal. Did you see the speech his dad gave last night in the gathering of loonies up in Iowa? Easy to see where the bomb-throwing comes from.....
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...y-the-elderly/
- Chica Chaser
- 08-12-2013, 02:26 PM
If no one was worried about ol' Ted, we sure wouldn't be getting the press that he is. There are lots of Senators from both parties out there that rarely get much press.
- timpage
- 08-12-2013, 03:00 PM
If no one was worried about ol' Ted, we sure wouldn't be getting the press that he is. There are lots of Senators from both parties out there that rarely get much press. Originally Posted by Chica ChaserInteresting op-ed in the Dallas Morning News about him yesterday....basically saying that hasn't done a friggin' thing as a senator for Texas and is only interested in running for President. Shades of Obama....
He wants to be POTUS, there's no doubt about that.....but, he's a Democrat's dream, not nightmare. He's an extremist with extremist views. That flies here on Eccie and in Texas, amongst the brain-damaged non-thinkers.... but not nationally. He scares mainstream republicans much more than he does democrats....they recognize that he is the kiss of death for them in 2016.
- Guest032516
- 08-12-2013, 03:03 PM
Dems probably should be worried about Ted, it won't be long until one of them bring it up again, surprising.I don't think the birth certificate will be an issue at all. He was born in Canada, so that is not in dispute.
Just like Obama, the birth certificate is the determining factor. Who's seen it yet?
And no one gives a fuck what The Donald has to say about anything political. That was proven several years ago. Originally Posted by Chica Chaser
The only question is whether a child born abroad to American citizen parents still qualifies as an American by birth. It appears that they are, otherwise all those children born to American military families overseas will suddenly have to be naturalized.
- i'va biggen
- 08-12-2013, 03:10 PM
Has anyone checked the Donald's birth certificate?
- timpage
- 08-12-2013, 03:27 PM
I don't think the birth certificate will be an issue at all. He was born in Canada, so that is not in dispute.Well, I dunno. His dad was Cuban and he was born in Canada. The birthers have consistently indicated that someone who was allegedly born in Kenya of a Kenyan father isn't eligible to be POTUS. He was certainly eligible since his mom was a US citizen. But, just as with the children of military parents who are US citizens, certain procedures have to be followed in order to ensure the child is legally declared a US citizen. There has to be a Report of Birth Abroad filed with the US State department before citizenship is bestowed. I wonder if Cruz' parents filed one? I guess we will find out.
The only question is whether a child born abroad to American citizen parents still qualifies as an American by birth. It appears that they are, otherwise all those children born to American military families overseas will suddenly have to be naturalized. Originally Posted by ExNYer
http://travel.state.gov/law/family_i...birth_593.html
A child born abroad to a U.S. citizen parent or parents may acquire U.S. citizenship at birth if certain statutory requirements are met. The child’s parents should contact the nearest U.S. embassy or consulate to apply for a Consular Report of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America (CRBA) to document that the child is a U.S. citizen. If the U.S. embassy or consulate determines that the child acquired U.S. citizenship at birth, a consular officer will approve the CRBA application and the Department of State will issue a CRBA, also called a Form FS-240, in the child’s name.
According to U.S. law, a CRBA is proof of U.S. citizenship and may be used to obtain a U.S. passport and register for school, among other purposes.
The child’s parents may choose to apply for a U.S. passport for the child at the same time that they apply for a CRBA. Parents may also choose to apply only for a U.S. passport for the child. Like a CRBA, a full validity, unexpired U.S. passport is proof of U.S. citizenship.
Parents of a child born abroad to a U.S. citizen or citizens should apply for a CRBA and/or a U.S. passport for the child as soon as possible. Failure to promptly document a child who meets the statutory requirements for acquiring U.S. citizenship at birth may cause problems for the parents and the child when attempting to establish the child’s U.S. citizenship and eligibility for the rights and benefits of U.S. citizenship, including entry into the United States. By law, U.S. citizens, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States.
- CJ7
- 08-12-2013, 03:56 PM
If no one was worried about ol' Ted, we sure wouldn't be getting the press that he is. There are lots of Senators from both parties out there that rarely get much press. Originally Posted by Chica Chaser
there are lots of Senators that aren't as fucked up as Ol' Ted.
heres reason to worry, and its not because Ted is a threat to the Dems ..
Cruz’s campaign website had a page devoted to stopping Agenda 21, a black-helicopter conspiracy theory about the United Nations abolishing “‘unsustainable’ environments, including golf courses, grazing pastures, and paved roads.
- JCM800
- 08-12-2013, 04:07 PM
- CJ7
- 08-12-2013, 04:11 PM
- timpage
- 08-12-2013, 04:42 PM
More on Cruz' eligibility to be POTUS. Interesting. I wonder if there will be lunatic birther democrats?
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/artic...become-presid/
Cleveland-based PolitiFact Ohio has the distinction of being the closest PolitiFact unit to Canada, which might explain why we received several email and Twitter messages about Ted Cruz -- the Republican junior senator from Texas who is "considering a presidential run," according to friends and confidants quoted by the conservative blog National Review Online.
"Please tell Ted Cruz he can't be president," said an email to us. "He was born in Canada!"
We have no interest in another "birther" controversy, but we were curious for more information.
The basic biography: Cruz was born in 1970 in Calgary, Alberta, while his parents were working there.
His Cuban-born father, who is now an American citizen, was not at the time. His mother was born in Delaware. The family returned to the United States when Cruz was 4.
The Constitution gives three eligibility requirements to be president: one must be 35 years of age, a resident "within the United States" for 14 years, and a "natural born Citizen," a term not defined in the Constitution.
That lack of precision has given rise to controversy and legal challenges, but has never resulted in a definitive determination by the U.S. Supreme Court.
For that reason, PolitiFact refrained from making a Truth-O-Meter ruling in a May 2008 article that looked at the question of presidential eligibility for someone not physically born in the United States. The question had been raised about John McCain, who was born in the Panama Canal Zone when his father was stationed there in the U.S. Navy.
The issue was not likely to come before the high court, the article noted, and most legal scholars said McCain would have little to worry about if it did. It also noted that McCain’s campaign had commissioned a bipartisan duo of legal scholars to investigate the issue, and they concluded his status as a natural-born citizen was not in question.
Still as it was then, the issue remains rooted in legal opinions, and we make no ruling here either. But we can offer more support for the argument that McCain and Cruz are "natural born citizens," thanks to a more recent report on presidential qualifications by the Congressional Research Service and a nicely sourced posting by associate editor David A. Graham of The Atlantic.
CRS says: "The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term 'natural born' citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship 'by birth' or 'at birth,' either by being born 'in' the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship 'at birth.'"
There is no requirement of two "citizen-parents," CRS found.
The CRS report took note of a federal court decision by the Northern District of California, which said that McCain would qualify as a citizen "at birth," and thus would be considered a "natural born" citizen, since he was born outside the United States to citizen parents.
The CRS did not look specifically at Cruz, and we can’t ask it to comment on him. The service works exclusively for Congress.
But Cruz, by being entitled to citizenship at birth because his mother was a U.S. citizen and by being in the U.S. for more than 14 years, would seem to qualify as a "natural born citizen" under the definition in the report.
When discussing McCain, the CRS report draws on immigration law and says: "The uncertainty concerning the meaning of the natural-born qualification in the Constitution has provoked discussion from time to time, particularly when the possible presidential candidacy of citizens born abroad was under consideration. There has never been any authoritative adjudication. It is possible that none may ever develop. However, there is substantial basis for concluding that the constitutional reference to a natural-born citizen includes every person who was born a citizen, including native-born citizens and citizens by descent."
So legally, the question is unsettled. Perhaps it will be if Cruz ever becomes a presidential contender.
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/artic...become-presid/
Cleveland-based PolitiFact Ohio has the distinction of being the closest PolitiFact unit to Canada, which might explain why we received several email and Twitter messages about Ted Cruz -- the Republican junior senator from Texas who is "considering a presidential run," according to friends and confidants quoted by the conservative blog National Review Online.
"Please tell Ted Cruz he can't be president," said an email to us. "He was born in Canada!"
We have no interest in another "birther" controversy, but we were curious for more information.
The basic biography: Cruz was born in 1970 in Calgary, Alberta, while his parents were working there.
His Cuban-born father, who is now an American citizen, was not at the time. His mother was born in Delaware. The family returned to the United States when Cruz was 4.
The Constitution gives three eligibility requirements to be president: one must be 35 years of age, a resident "within the United States" for 14 years, and a "natural born Citizen," a term not defined in the Constitution.
That lack of precision has given rise to controversy and legal challenges, but has never resulted in a definitive determination by the U.S. Supreme Court.
For that reason, PolitiFact refrained from making a Truth-O-Meter ruling in a May 2008 article that looked at the question of presidential eligibility for someone not physically born in the United States. The question had been raised about John McCain, who was born in the Panama Canal Zone when his father was stationed there in the U.S. Navy.
The issue was not likely to come before the high court, the article noted, and most legal scholars said McCain would have little to worry about if it did. It also noted that McCain’s campaign had commissioned a bipartisan duo of legal scholars to investigate the issue, and they concluded his status as a natural-born citizen was not in question.
Still as it was then, the issue remains rooted in legal opinions, and we make no ruling here either. But we can offer more support for the argument that McCain and Cruz are "natural born citizens," thanks to a more recent report on presidential qualifications by the Congressional Research Service and a nicely sourced posting by associate editor David A. Graham of The Atlantic.
CRS says: "The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term 'natural born' citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship 'by birth' or 'at birth,' either by being born 'in' the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship 'at birth.'"
There is no requirement of two "citizen-parents," CRS found.
The CRS report took note of a federal court decision by the Northern District of California, which said that McCain would qualify as a citizen "at birth," and thus would be considered a "natural born" citizen, since he was born outside the United States to citizen parents.
The CRS did not look specifically at Cruz, and we can’t ask it to comment on him. The service works exclusively for Congress.
But Cruz, by being entitled to citizenship at birth because his mother was a U.S. citizen and by being in the U.S. for more than 14 years, would seem to qualify as a "natural born citizen" under the definition in the report.
When discussing McCain, the CRS report draws on immigration law and says: "The uncertainty concerning the meaning of the natural-born qualification in the Constitution has provoked discussion from time to time, particularly when the possible presidential candidacy of citizens born abroad was under consideration. There has never been any authoritative adjudication. It is possible that none may ever develop. However, there is substantial basis for concluding that the constitutional reference to a natural-born citizen includes every person who was born a citizen, including native-born citizens and citizens by descent."
So legally, the question is unsettled. Perhaps it will be if Cruz ever becomes a presidential contender.