Tracing friends

I have a sugar babe I have known for 10 years who has got into difficulties and has gone under the radar. She also has an attorney. I am not sure whether she (and the attorney) have been scamming me, but I am owed a lot of money.

First thing I want to do is simply do a trace on public records for both of them. Some of these need a fee, so i would rather use somebody reputable who already has access.

My first step is just to find them, then I will consider my best course of action. I was in touch daily by phone until end March this year, then nada. I was promised repayment on 1 April. Yes, I know.

The whole story is much longer.

I also want to check out whether the story i have been given has an ounce of truth.

I am based in UK London but the people are based in Houston. So I don't know my way around Houston attorneys and procedures.

I am willing to pay a few hundred for initial search and advice. I will be visiting Houston soon. It may end in suing for repayment of amounts owed, but first I have to find them.

Any recommendations for somebody I can sit with for an hour for a fee?

i guess another way to ask the question is:

- if I try to trace myself, what are the best sites? For example, BOSS records? I worry that they are not reputable. What is the best site to do a records search on somebody?

- do attorneys or specialists have other ways to find somebody, and any arrests/warrants/bail bonds/court appearances?

As an example, I can find previous minor court cases for this person, but cannot find anything for what I was told was a much more serious felony offence last fall. The court case originally was meant to be today. But i can't find anything. She is not answering my calls. We had been talking more or less every day for 10 years.

I am assuming it is Harris County Houston but i may be wrong.

I may also have been told a whole pack of lies.

is instantcheckmate.com a good starting point? Or Intelius?

One of the problems I have is, as a non-US citizen, i can;t pay by credit card as i don;t have a zip code. This seems to be a problem with instantcheckmate, intelus and some public records.

Okay, I don't really know anything about advanced law or how to handle information hunting internationally. Personally, I think your best bet is to get in contact with Huston police department and see what can and cannot be done and what would and would not be on record, if you seriously want to try to track this thing.

That being said, though we have absolutely no details of what is actually happening in this situation; if she's not getting in touch with you, she's not getting in touch with you. Unless you had some sort of contract in writing, getting any money back is pretty much a lost cause. I'd say cut your losses and find a girl closer to home. London babes can be pretty hot and (if I remember correctly), escorts are actually licensed there so they're probably a lot easier to get a hold of. I'm really sorry such a long term relationship came to what sounds like a rather abrupt and crappy end but there are other, less shady, fish in the sea.

If someone owes you money and they live in Texas...
You cannot garnish their wages
their pension
their house ,boat, car unless the loan was for that
So you are pretty much out of luck
Yes you can get a judgement but that will do you no good
before engaging a lawyer to sue for damages, ask the lawyer just how are you going to collect

Thanks for the replies. It confirmed what I thought. But I think i will still try to use some web search facilities like BOSS or instantcheckmate or Intelius.

I do have the name and tel. number of her attorney, and have spoken to him in the past, but I am a bit sceptical as his name never appears on any search of attorneys, so it may be they have scammed together to get me to send bail money and run off into the sunset!

It is all rather odd. Of course she may be in jail (or dead). But I would still expect to find arrest records. Maybe it takes time after an arrest for records to be public?

I thought maybe I could go and sit in an attorney's office while they do a search and pay them, as it seems so difficult for me to use my UK cc on a US site.

You can check the status of any attorney in Texas at Texas Bar website. It will tell you if he is licensed to practice and where he is located.

If you want to spend your money on a skip tracing service there are several you can use that just need your credit card and banking information. If the address is a problem why not secure a p.o. box address and get a second card that will only go to that address? Or contact a bail bondsman in Houston and ask for the number of a bounty hunter. They should be able to do a check of at least the court and arrest information and if they are still in the state. Good luck

Thanks. I'm getting there. Spoke briefly to her mother today, but didn't say much because of cost of transatlantic calls - I will call again with an internet calling card. Apparently she was in touch with the young lady a few days ago.

I looked on https://www.texasbar.com and a search for the 'attorney' did not return anything.

The sums involved are substantial, we are talking about bail bond for a serious offence, and medical expenses over a period, for which she now has insurance payment for to pay me back, plus sums for suing the people who caused the medical condition.

Perfectly happy to walk away and realise I have been lied to for years, but worth investigating a bit.

Nobody would ever believe it if i told them the full story.....

you just don't know how shady it is, driver license info tamper with... goes all the way up ...

here of ether ? apparently it has the ability to screw up a person memory

Either let it go and mark it up to an expensive lesson learned or hire a law firm/attorney in Houston to work on this for you. That's an expensive option but if you want to get to the bottom of it and get answers as to what happened and what is really going on that is probably the best option. The attorney can take care the skip tracing, the private investigators, and preparation of a civil suit or even put together enough information to convince the Houston police and prosecuting attorney to begin a criminal fraud or larceny investigation or whatever the proper term for it is in Texas.

I first have to say there are many things about the fact situation that puzzle me. Examples:

1. You live in London, and your SB is in Houston?
2. You loan money to your SB?
3. You loan money to someone who commits crimes, including loaning money so your SB can post bond and get out of jail on a felony?
4. You travel internationally, you loan your SB a substantial sum, but you're concerned with the cost of calling your SB's mother in Texas?
5. You travel internationally, and you don't have one of the many credit cards that can be used for international travel?
6. Your SB has apparently blown you off, and you're thinking about suing her to try to get back the money you loaned her? A judgment isn't worth the paper it's printed on if the defendant doesn't have attachable assets that can be seized and sold to satisfy the judgment.

No offense, amigo, but are you a total dumbass?

If you're not, chalk up what happened to you to experience and move on. Get a nice English girl to be your SB.

If you are a total dumbass, you have options:

1. Buy a debit card when you hit Houston. You can buy one at Walmart or any supermarket or drug store.
2. Use the debit card to pay to run a search in the industry leader in selling information about people: www.publicdata.com. I've had a subscription for more than 10 years and I've found the information complete and reliable.
3. If using publicdata doesn't get you the information you need, PM me and I'll give you referrals to a few attorneys in Houston who might help you.

Some Old tricks but still very effective



Doxing Tutorial- note it is NOT illegal to collect data but BLACKMAIL and posting information PUBLIC is.
Doxing Tutorial

Doxing is basically when you get access to someone's information through the methods I am about to mention.
== Methods Of Doxing ==
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Via Ip Address -
Doxing via IP won't get you much information but it will help you in your goal of getting your targets dox. There are many ways of getting someone's IP address, I'm going to tell you two of the most used.
Way #1: Obtain the IP through email. I'm not going to explain all that but here is a tutorial on how to http://aruljohn.com/info/howtofindipaddress/ .
Way #2: Obtain the IP through Xbox Live. For this you need a program called "Cain & Abel" here is a video tutorial on how to set that all up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e19D9E3e0b0 .
Now once you have obtained your targets IP head on over to this site http://www.ip-adress.com/ip_tracer/ . From there you can find their latitude/longitude which will let you find their state and city (the city isn't always correct)
Via Email Address -
Assuming that you have their email address(es) there is quite a bit of information you can find from this head over to http://com.lullar.com/. This site is a very handy doxing tool enter the email address you have on here and it will pull up any accounts or names registered to that email, you know...facebook, myspace, youtube...ect. If you get their facebook or something with their first and last name on it
then you are golden and go ahead and use the next method. (Note, You can use email to obtain IP's that has been explained above)
Via Telephone Number,Names,Address -
For this method the only website you will need is http://www.whitepages.com/ just fill in the first name, last name, city, (or just a phone number if you have it) and state boxes and search. More than likely you'll have multiple people pop-up with same name as your target but different addresses, now this is were the hard work starts. In order to elimate the "fakes" your going to have dox a few more people. Now if you look to the right of the names ( http://i54.tinypic.com/11vpant.jpg ) you will see the people they are related to. Find which ones are related to your target and BINGO! That's your guy!
Via User Names -
http://knowem.com/ Is the site you need, it works the same as the email method
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Via Social Groups -
Social groups are good once you found your targets facebook for example. You can use it to obtain more information on your target and also get pictures of your target. Pictures can also help you dox your target, I will explain that later on.
- Social Engineering -
Social Engineering is a greatly used technic for obtaining information. Social engineering is basically manipulating or tricking your target in to giving you his/her information. One way of doing this for example is by email. I once doxed a person by making a believable email address and pretened that I worked for a website and wrote articles. So I asked my target if I could interview him he said "sure", I said "would you mind starting off this interview with telling me you first and last name?" and boom, he gave it to me simple as that! Then I used the other methods for the rest of his dox.
Via Domain Names They own -The Lawyers Web Page


Domain names (website URL's) are also very useful in doxing because you can obtain a full name and address from them but only if your target is stupid enough to enter his/her real info for his/her site. Go on over to http://whois.domaintools.com/ and enter a website (http://i51.tinypic.com/30rmolk.jpg) then click "look up" and you will get something like this (http://i54.tinypic.com/iylqfp.jpg) as you can see though that is a example of false information ( or just not the dox we are looking for ).
Via Images -
Searching images is a good way to find where pictures are uploaded at. So lets say you have a picture of your target, just go herehttp://www.tineye.com/ and enter the picture you got. It will search it
for you and with any luck you will get a link to his/her's facebook or myspace.
== What To Do With Dox ==
Once you have obtained all the dox of your target there are several things you can do.
1. You can use them as black mail, threaten to post them everywhere if you don't get what you want.
2. You can just be an asshole and post them everywhere and send your target the link.
3. Or use that information to gain access to something thats theirs such as a xbox live account.
== Useful Links With Descriptions ==
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http://www.zabasearch.com/- No Success with Whitepages? Try this.
http://www.zoominfo.com/-professional career and employment.
http://wink.com/- Another people search
http://www.freeality.com/ -name, city, and state.
http://www.infospace.com/-companies by name, category, or city.
http://www.isearch.com/ - Phone Books
http://www.whitepages.com/find_neighbors- Need to confirm dox?calling neighbors and asking for the target. They tell you how you can reach them.
http://www.411.com/-source for free people and business searches in the US and Canada.
http://infobel.com-links/ to almost every phonebook in the world. -
Social Networks Facebook,MySpace,YouTube,Blogs , Whois ect.
http://www.pipl.com/- Searches quite a few different places
http://com.lullar.com/- A profile searcher for Networking sites.Great for finding dirt

http://www.checkusernames.com/ - Check to see if a username has been used on over 9000 websites.
http://www.ip2location.com/-accurate!
http://www.paterva.com/web5/- It provides excellent results when e-mail addresses and full names are used.
http://www.archive.org/index.php- Find deleted webpages.
http://www.emailchange.com/-have somebody's old email, find current ones.
http://www.nedsite.nl/search/people.htm#top- Search email by name, phone, fax, college, ancestors, etc.
http://www.selfseo.com/find_ip_address_of_a_website.php - Find the ip of a protected site. This one is not user friendly
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http://regex.info/exif.cgi -EXIF searcher.






Ok this will give you enough to get started. I have no idea about Texas law. As of a few months ago, everything in this thread and the links provide are legal. Once again, outing into public and blackmail, are.



Good Luck and happy hunting

I first have to say there are many things about the fact situation that puzzle me. Examples:
No offense, amigo, but are you a total dumbass?

If you're not, chalk up what happened to you to experience and move on. Get a nice English girl to be your SB.
Originally Posted by ShysterJon

No, not a total dumbass! My name is not WolfWhistle. I'm not even sure i would call her a SB, we got beyond that, we talked about starting a family at one point. I often visit Houston for extended periods for work - I rent an apartment there. Yes, I do have a London SB. I was more worried about charges on mother's phone, I think when you call international it can charge the callee.

I think it is best not to call it a felony until the case has been to court, which it has not. Until that point, and as you are not aware of all the facts, I think caution should be used. There were medical issues which meant an extended stay in jail waiting for the case would not have been advisable.

I am well aware that 'loan' is not a term which is understood by girls, but whether someone behaves honourably is a good test whether there is any basis for re-establishing a relationship.

I do not normally have a need for an international cc, I normally use cash or pay in person, but some US online transactions insist on entering a zip code, I will not speculate on what that says about US culture lol !

If I sue, the potential defendant may well have mechanisms to allow retrieving the money.

Thanks want2c for the wealth of information.

Maybe I should write a book and become a famous well paid author? 'How to enjoy women to the full and ensure your kids have to go out and get a job'.

You might wonder why I am asking these questions on a hooker/escort board, when the girl was never a hooker or escort. Mainly because of the wealth of experience, and the fact that guys here may be less judgemental. A naive attorney may have dropped jaw syndrome if I told my story.

ps. want2c com.lullar.com led me to spokeo which insisted on my using a US ip address, so i will try again when I get to the US.