mastermind thinks the whores here are "Strong". What do you think?

Let's be honest. It takes a very strong person to begin with to do what these women do. Originally Posted by mastermind238

I'm sorry... I have to disagree with you on that one. A "Strong" woman would find a way to solve her problems without whoring herself out for a buck. WEAK women take the easy way here in many cases.

I'll expand on that a little....

a) IMO the #1 reason women become whores is to feed a monkey on their back. They have let some issue take control of their lives and that issue's need to be fed causes them to set aside morality and suck cock NOT for a living but to feed their monkey. Disclaimer: A monkey can take on many forms so please do not jump to the conclusion that this HAS to mean a topic we do not discuss here)

In moments of clarity many of these ladies despise themselves.

b) IMO the #2 reason women become whores is a feeling of entitlement combined with laziness. They want and/or believe they are entitled to certain things materialistic in nature and want a shortcut to getting them. They are more liberated in their views of sex and see being a whore as a shortcut to a Kate Spade clutch and a Michael Kors purse to carry while they wear their Louis Vuitton shoes and Elie Tahari dress.

c) IMO the #3 most common reason is desperation combined with ignorance. I've truly met a few that did not believe they had any other choice.

d)IMO the # 4 most common reason is desperation combined with laziness. I believe most of our OIO's are in this category... They had a life event (often these life events repeat with some frequency) and figured it was easier to suck a cock than to get a job....

e) IMO the rarest and most desirable whore to find is goal oriented, practical thinking free spirited open minded girls that are the "Unicorns" of this world we play in.... Maybe not a unicorn because those are mythical and I've met a few in this category but they are rare.. An example of one was a recent graduate with a Masters degree in Economics that made a decision to get her tits enhanced and dance at a strip club to finance her graduate studies. Everything she did was well thought out and had purpose. She was always in control. Upon graduation (debt free) she decided to take advantage of her body and youth and dance a few more years. Occasional trips to Alaska to work 14-16 hour days/night combined with her local regulars when home and a SD led to her paying cash for a house and 2 cars and she was debt free at the age of 30. She quit it all, married well and entered a professional field and has never looked back. Even with her I would not say it was strength as much as it was well thought out logic and a defined and properly executed plan.

If you want to find a "strong woman" you could look for the single mom taking 5 classes at one of the colleges, serving food 4 or 5 days a week and cocktails a couple of nights. Ask her what she makes in a day/night and when she tells you $300 suggest she take the day and night off tomorrow and let you send her for a mani/pedi and to get her hair done and you will buy her a new dress after which you will take her to someplace nice like Flemings maybe for dinner and drinks after which she can can come home with with you and then spend the night with you after which you will send her home with the same $300. When she pauses to think about how nice it sounds and then politely tells you No.... you will know she has strength and moral character. There are certainly a few others but not many are going to be found in the ranks of our whores.

I know there are other reasons and it would be interesting to hear how some think. There are certainly a lot of delusional guys that think these gals simply love being whores.....mastermind seems to be one.

Personally, I've known and been present for a few meltdowns that girls that fell into a), b), C) and d) have had. They cry and wail and shower with the hottest of water scrubbing the imagined filth from their bodies asking themselves why and when they began fucking men that had zero appeal to them simply for money.... They deal with depression and anxiety and it changes who they are.... They drink and find other ways to numb themselves from the pain that eats at them from the inside.....

Strong? Keep telling yourself that..... I think we all have a time or two over the years..... I think it helps many justify their participation

Show a little strength yourself the next time you select a whore and ask yourself exactly what your "donation" is going to do for the one you select. Will it empower her and enrich her life and maybe bring her some pleasure? Or are you just feeding the monkey that enslaves her?

A very sweet young lady and long time friend might read this and know I thought of her fondly as I wrote "b)" above.

I think I owe you dinner? Text me if you want to get a bite.

Whispers, I’m not going to chase you from thread to thread. You aren’t a whore so please renounce your position as The Spokesman of Hookers.

Can we stop lounging behind our laptops, pretending to know every schematic and detail that comprises the “hobby” as we know it? Are any of us truly qualified to speak on a matter as complicated and diverse as upper level prostitution? Whispers, you raise valid bullet points and I would guess your opinions are derived from the company you keep. Having never spent more than a social evening or conversation with you, I would not begin casting assumptions on your character or reason for engaging with this community. I could take a guess and tease you about being Captain Save A Ho, as your affinity for young strippers speaks for itself. I would heckle you for letting these young women walk in and out of your home and pocketbook, and I could also attest to your charitable character as I have spent time with you working on philanthropic projects. But, given all of the above, I still don’t know the motives behind your decisions. So please tell me, aside from offering personal experience and controversial commentary, how can you honestly preach from that pedestal and make the assertion that ‘whores ain’t strong?’

You know the funny thing about strength? It comes in every size. Are single moms who work multiple jobs to support a family strong? Hell yes, that is strength. Can a hooker be strong? Yes, hookers are strong. This idea that all escorts scrub their faces and bodies at the end of the day, hating themselves for laying on their backs is BULLSHIT. I don’t doubt that there are those who have that hobby experience, but to cast such a broad net while lumping all of us together is the finest form of ignorance I have ever seen.

You mentioned the “unicorn” in point E, let’s start there. Your example was a woman who worked her way through grad school (hmmm…that sounds so familiar…) and who chose to continue dancing for a few years to pad her pocketbook, pay off debt, travel, etc…how are those lifestyle choices any different that the girl you drew in point B? If my affinity for Louboutins and extra cash makes me entitled, does my ability to complete grad school with zero debt make me lazy? I can’t comment on point A, C, or D because I don’t know anyone who has lived through those circumstances. See how that works?

Please don’t throw “morality” around without painting yourself in the same shade of grey. Are any of us in a position to laud one another on what is “morally sound?” I certainly am not and I avoid holding others to such an impossible standard.

Whispers nailed this. 30 years of experience in mongering area agrees with 90% of what he says. My 2 condoms worth.

Heh. This is ABSOLUTELY ridiculous on so my levels it's hardly worth commenting on. It really isn't. Very, very sad. I just can't believe my eyes sometimes, but the amount of trauma, hardening, and dissonance we can experience as humans is no joke. On a serious note though, this makes me feel for Whispers more than ever before. I'm sorry you obviously have not experienced something as valuable and precious in your life that would make you want to connect with others in the same. I don't think I will ever understand why folks choose to live in blind hatred and a closed mind, heart, spirit when we are capable of being so much more.

Whispers, I’m not going to chase you from thread to thread. LMAO! Sorry. I was writing while you were posting. You know I would not avoid you right?

You aren’t a whore so please renounce your position as The Spokesman of Hookers. Was I doing that? I thought for sure people would understand my use of "IMO" to mean "In My Opinion"

Can we stop lounging behind our laptops, pretending to know every schematic and detail that comprises the “hobby” as we know it?

Does that mean you would rather meet at a strip club for drinks and reminisce?

Are any of us truly qualified to speak on a matter as complicated and diverse as upper level prostitution?

No... But really.... Shouldn't everyone be responsible enough to actually consider what is is posted here? You are not going to suggest my statements are invalid are you? I can agree I only scratched the surface and for many it's more like a scab over a festering wound.

Whispers, you raise valid bullet points and I would guess your opinions are derived from the company you keep. Having never spent more than a social evening or conversation with you, I would not begin casting assumptions on your character or reason for engaging with this community. I could take a guess and tease you about being Captain Save A Ho, as your affinity for young strippers speaks for itself.

LOL.... Wanna go find one to save for the night? I'll share

I would heckle you for letting these young women walk in and out of your home and pocketbook,

Hey!!!... The little blonde that walked INTO my home and got into my bed 5 years ago is still here! So is the Latina that's been with me for 3 years now....Neither have left!

You can't count the ones I throw back against me! It's "catch and release" most of the time!

and I could also attest to your charitable character as I have spent time with you working on philanthropic projects. Thank-you. And you deserve a lot of credit for what you did as well. Nobody ever rose to the bar the way you did

But, given all of the above, I still don’t know the motives behind your decisions. So please tell me, aside from offering personal experience and controversial commentary, how can you honestly preach from that pedestal and make the assertion that ‘whores ain’t strong?’

What is strength to you? Add a bullet point of your own and define that type of character. Then consider the ones you have met and known and think about how you would categorize them.

I've been a member of this and similar communities for 16 years and hobbied much longer than that. I can't think of any of the girls I have met doing this from a source of strength.

You know the funny thing about strength? It comes in every size. Are single moms who work multiple jobs to support a family strong? Hell yes, that is strength.

I agree. Is s single mom that is CAPABLE of working a job but chooses instead to whore herself out strong? I don't think so.

Can a hooker be strong? Yes, hookers are strong.

In what way. Where is their "strength" derived?

This idea that all escorts scrub their faces and bodies at the end of the day, hating themselves for laying on their backs is BULLSHIT.

Where did I say "all" or "at the end of a day"? My comment was that I have been present at a "few" meltdowns. I may be extreme in presenting thoughts but you are too smart to take that approach with my comments. Limit yourself to what I do say and don't project. You will still have fun and make some valid points.


I don’t doubt that there are those who have that hobby experience, but to cast such a broad net while lumping all of us together is the finest form of ignorance I have ever seen.

Once again.... Where did I lump all of you together? mastermind did that stating that all whores here are strong.... I provided examples of several other conditions whores here share that are not "strength"

You mentioned the “unicorn” in point E, let’s start there. Your example was a woman who worked her way through grad school (hmmm…that sounds so familiar…) and who chose to continue dancing for a few years to pad her pocketbook, pay off debt, travel, etc…how are those lifestyle choices any different that the girl you drew in point B?

The girl in B typically makes the choice for no reason that grows her as a person or gives herself other options in life. A year... 2 years... 3 years down the line she has nothing other than material things and the memories of how she obtained them. Her choices in the future are limited. She continues to dance or turn tricks and has limited options for the future.

The girl in E had a plan that WAS for her future. She makes the choices SHE does with a plan FOR her future. She does what she does in a thought out process for teh specific purpose of giving herself MORE choices and does not limit herself in what she does.

Please. Think about the girls you have known that made $100k or more a year. How many drive beat up broken down cars and still strip or whore? How many have solid educations and respectable jobs, live well and are out of it?

Share if you like.



If my affinity for Louboutins and extra cash makes me entitled, does my ability to complete grad school with zero debt make me lazy? I can’t comment on point A, C, or D because I don’t know anyone who has lived through those circumstances. See how that works?

Yes. Please continue to share.

Please don’t throw “morality” around without painting yourself in the same shade of grey. Are any of us in a position to laud one another on what is “morally sound?” I certainly am not and I avoid holding others to such an impossible standard. Originally Posted by klovve

I wasn't commenting on the morality of what any of us do. I was stating that mastermind is incorrect in his statement that the whores here are strong. I was suggesting there is a lot more to what drives a girl to suck our cocks and suggesting that guys consider what it is they contribute to...

Heh. This is ABSOLUTELY ridiculous on so my levels it's hardly worth commenting on. It really isn't. Very, very sad. I just can't believe my eyes sometimes, but the amount of trauma, hardening, and dissonance we can experience as humans is no joke. On a serious note though, this makes me feel for Whispers more than ever before. I'm sorry you obviously have not experienced something as valuable and precious in your life that would make you want to connect with others in the same. I don't think I will ever understand why folks choose to live in blind hatred and a closed mind, heart, spirit when we are capable of being so much more. Originally Posted by JadeRose

LMAO! This is a hobby. I spend money seeing whores for variety and enjoyment. Along the way I connected with a few. I share my experiences so that others can give thought to what they do.

Nothing in this post was an attack on any individual or whores in general.

You are simply too blind with your own hatred and loathing to see that.

I know... I know... You all need to keep the illusion alive that as a group you do this because you are strong and enjoy it.....

Have at it!

LMAO! This is a hobby. I spend money seeing whores for variety and enjoyment. Along the way I connected with a few. I share my experiences so that others can give thought to what they do.

Nothing in this post was an attack on any individual or whores in general.

You are simply too blind with your own hatred and loathing to see that.

I know... I know... You all need to keep the illusion alive that as a group you do this because you are strong and enjoy it.....

Have at it! Originally Posted by Whispers

I sure do. I enjoy being a human being who actively makes mistakes, achieves goals, fluffs off, doesn't get it the first time, goes through trauma, gets perspective, becomes hardended, softens up, fails, wins, fucks up, grows up, strengthens, weakens, bends, breaks, falls off track, gets back on, has goals, can cultivate an unshakeable inner strength, and has new opportunity daily to tap into limitless potential and grow into more. In case anyone needs reminding of what you actually do possess.

Also, I include this delightfully unconventional world of sexual exploration in my life because I CHOOSE to and ENJOY the fuck out of it.

Ok, I'll bite.

I identify as a strong woman. I have a bold personality, I can be combative if goaded, and I am fiercely protective of anyone unable to stand up themselves. I sometimes dabble in the hobby when I feel uninspired or bored with my civilian life. I also like expensive shoes and travel, two affinities afforded by the extra cash awarded from dates. I have met individuals here who I would have never crossed paths with in my civilian life. I have shared experiences and checked off bucket list adventures I would have otherwise waited years to complete. I have viewed the hobby as just that - a hobby. But any hobby that becomes a habit can shroud havoc on your personal life. I have been outed, shamed, disrespected, and made to feel inadequate because there is a dark part of my soul that is fed when I have sex with strangers. But I am not ashamed and I do not feel inadequate. I make a decision to spend time with old friends, and sometimes new, because it fills a part of my twisted existence that confuses and consoles me. So my strength is owning my faults, failures, and fascinations by looking judgemental and small-minded bullies in the eye and politely telling them to Fuck Off. I have had the strength to step back and re-evaluate my life and priorities and the strength to admit when my hobby perspective has become jaded. I have the strength to absorb the emotional needs of others, often strangers, and the strength to provide comfort. Providing isn't just sex. Providing is also an emotional care taking of others and the ability to balance intimacy, your bed mate's and yours.

Whispers, I am a provider and I am strong. In fact, I know I could out muscle you

Also, I include this delightfully unconventional world of sexual exploration in my life because I CHOOSE to and ENJOY the fuck out of it. Originally Posted by JadeRose

yeah?

But if you quit fucking for money next week what do you have left?

is there special person in your life you go home to or comes over that really values you? Or are all your connections centered around those in communities like this?

Please..... Share more...... If at some time in the future you produce a child... years later in his adolescence he comes across your cum guzzling videos and pictures.... will you still be so proud?

Tell yourself whatever you need to to continue justifying the limited options in life you have.

Whispers, I am a provider and I am strong. In fact, I know I could out muscle you Originally Posted by klovve

What type of event?

Thumb wrestling, arm wrestling or Indian leg wrestling? Maybe hooked up in a harness pulling a car or truck?

A common misconception a lot of people make about us old round guys is there is nothing under the fat..... But every time I get up from laying down or stoop down and stand up I'm moving 300 lbs around.... I can leg press a lot more than that... You might have a 6 pack but I carry a keg everyday

Ok, I'll bite.

Wait! No one asked you to bite! Please don't make assumptions of what a guy might enjoy. I'm a bit of a wuss.... Be gentle please.

I identify as a strong woman. I have a bold personality, I can be combative if goaded, and I am fiercely protective of anyone unable to stand up themselves. I sometimes dabble in the hobby when I feel uninspired or bored with my civilian life. I also like expensive shoes and travel, two affinities afforded by the extra cash awarded from dates. I have met individuals here who I would have never crossed paths with in my civilian life. I have shared experiences and checked off bucket list adventures I would have otherwise waited years to complete. I have viewed the hobby as just that - a hobby. But any hobby that becomes a habit can shroud havoc on your personal life. I have been outed, shamed, disrespected, and made to feel inadequate because there is a dark part of my soul that is fed when I have sex with strangers. But I am not ashamed and I do not feel inadequate. I make a decision to spend time with old friends, and sometimes new, because it fills a part of my twisted existence that confuses and consoles me. So my strength is owning my faults, failures, and fascinations by looking judgemental and small-minded bullies in the eye and politely telling them to Fuck Off. I have had the strength to step back and re-evaluate my life and priorities and the strength to admit when my hobby perspective has become jaded. I have the strength to absorb the emotional needs of others, often strangers, and the strength to provide comfort. Providing isn't just sex. Providing is also an emotional care taking of others and the ability to balance intimacy, your bed mate's and yours.
Originally Posted by klovve

Ok. Your experiences are varied and you've come through it in your own unique way. Can I ask a question and ask that you consider your answer before doing so? I will I guess as I already have. Please be fair and objective in your response



Has participating in this lifestyle ever resulted in an issue(s) that took over your decision making process. By that I mean did you ever take sessions, see someone you might not normally have done because you were driven to make the money to feed some issue driving you? Not simply to have extra money or buy some pair of shoes you wanted.

I am going to make the assumption that you did in order to pose a 2nd part of the question. Ignore it if the answer was NO.

YOU managed to maintain balance and control to a point and came through it without it damaging you as a person. Why? Because you consider your self strong. What percentage of other women experiencing the same thing in their life in this profession do you think have the strength to come through it the way you did?

Do you know of others that could not take control of their life back from the issues they lost control to?

Would you think that more women that do this are in control or being controlled?

yeah? But if you quit fucking for money next week what do you have left?

Plenty.

is there special person in your life you go home to or comes over that really values you? Or are all your connections centered around those in communities like this?

This community makes up a very small portion of my social/community involvement. Even if it didn't, your ideology still doesn't hold the empirical evidence you wished it did. Sorry.

Please..... Share more...... If at some time in the future you produce a child... years later in his adolescence he comes across your cum guzzling videos and pictures.... will you still be so proud?


For the sake of conversation, let's just say I wouldn't be "ashamed" as you seem to want to imply. The whole premise of your argument just doesn't stand against mine because I don't have your perspective. Our worldviews are vastly incomparable. I don't subscribe to many of the "traditonal" fundamentals on life that do. My theories on life are plenty more ecclectic and existential than yours seem to be. I try not to limit my understanding of the world around me to the confines of a programmed society. That would be boring.

Our worldviews are vastly incomparable. I don't subscribe to many of the "traditonal" fundamentals on life that do. My theories on life are plenty more ecclectic and existential than yours seem to be. I try not to limit my understanding of the world around me to the confines of a programmed society. That would be boring. Originally Posted by JadeRose

LMAO

Everyone here knows what you are alluding to with your "monkey on the back" comment.
Your currency here is gossip,so who knows if your "info" is correct or not.
You ought to find the strength to push away calorie laden platters of food,exercise and get that monkey off your back/gut...