It’s time to stop

I’ve lived in this area a long time, I’ve seen providers come and go and I usually don’t talk much I just read on here. This area was always pretty subpar as far as escorts go but things have just gotten ridiculous. The amount of legit fair and reasonable providers around here could probably be counted on one hand now, you can forget anyone from skipthegames or other sites, they are all literally scammers or dashers now..at best they may give you 5 minutes of very low effort service then try to get you out. What has happened to make women this way? It’s astounding to me that I, an attractive tall fit guy in my 30s, get treated like this by women who are nowhere close to being in my league, some of them barely floating (Staff edit). I would never date most of these women and so many of them use fake or heavily edited photos causing me to walk away when we meet, but yet they seriously think that I should be giving them the average persons half day or full day pay just to touch them for 5 minutes? I’ll tell you what’s happened, it’s our fault gentlemen, we have to stop simping and stop letting this ridiculousness continue. I’m a solid 8/10 guy, and yet to get a girl who is an 8/10 I would have to pay 5$$ or more an hour. We need to be more organized and unionized as hobbyists, and we need to set a bar somewhere. Too many providers are getting away with insanity, some of them well known on here. Supply and demand sets that bar, but we can control the demand by controlling ourselves. At some point we have to make a stand, and realize we would get more pleasure at home with our �� or going out to the bar trying to score than paying to get nothing in return. If men around the world would stop simping and control themselves, the quality of service would go up and prices would become more reasonable. I’m not broke by any means I earn way more than average, but paying what many people make in a day for a half hour of subpar service from a girl who wouldn’t get a second look from me at the bar makes no sense at all. American women are ruined, but it’s just as much our fault as it is theirs. This is exactly why men are becoming passport bros and going to Columbia or Thailand. I’ll be hobbying there until things become reasonable here. Just some food for thought gentlemen, be seeing you.

Yep I agree 100% the Destin area is terrible it’s Nadya in Pensacola for me and nothing else!

Are you suggesting the tricks need to unionize, and seize the means of production? Comrade.

My experiences in the area have led me to believe that there are a large subset of men that are more than okay with the talent here. Girls' phones are blowing up every time I see them, no matter what you might rate them as.

One man's trash is... a statistically significant non-zero amount of men's treasure. These men will probably remain anonymous, and even if they were not, they are probably not the type to listen to reason.

In any case. Nothing wrong with passport bros. I honestly believe that's the gold standard of hobbying. Head to greener pastures.

I want to be able to make a paradise wherever I live without having to travel, but I am still scheming and plotting on that end. Haven't quite figured it out yet.

Have you done a cost benefit analysis of your overseas hobby exploits? If you are going just for the sex, you need to pay for the plane ticket (not cheap), pay for hotel, food and the provider. You also need to hope you do not get a drug resistent STD. And, if you have a significant other, how do you explain this trip? I suspect there are many hobbiests that fit that criteria.

Great words Dreamy. In any line of Work, the providers provide but it's the patrons that dictate the market. If the clients/patrons would come together and set certain standards, the provider would have to meet such standards or take their product elsewhere where it's acceptable. Simple example is the doctored photos. I prefer the image shows every blemish, every cellulite pocket etc so I know what I'm getting into. The moment we get to the door and we see what can only be described as a transformer, we must be willing to walk away as you said. That calls for a level of sexual dicipline that most providers bank on that we don't have, and most of the time they are right. How many times we meet the provider and go....well I'm already here, ball already heavy, let's make it work lol. The encounter reports tell everything about clients nature. I have calmed down my mongering cause of the quality of providers, from comm to performance to cleanliness. Like in any exchange, the patrons cannot blame the providers for less than stellar performance...it's incumbent on the patron to walk away and gravitate to those who meet your standards. Overseas is an eye opener surely, and anyone who goes knows exactly why dreamy wrote what he wrote.

End of day, men just trying to get a quick nut and women know it.

To address Franklin, semantics isn't what dreamy is talking about. Everyone has a situation, so let's not deter from the main topic. The quality is bad in general, and the bar is lowered and lowered gradually because the patrons accept it. And patrons should stop accepting low qualityand walk away instead of complaining, arguing with providers, etc. That's all. Individual circumstances are really irrelevant when talking in general.

It is all of these simps that are over paying for (Staff edit)

The best times I’ve had hobbying have been overseas. Usually I find 1-3 holiday girlfriends some that I’m familiar with and some that I set up an arrangement with and just travel around for a few weeks. For about 2-3 weeks of nonstop fun it’s about 6-7k including the plane ticket, and you live like a king spending that amount there, 5 star everything and the girls are 5 star as well. They actually are genuine and fun as well, maybe one of these days when I decide to settle down I might scoop one of them up. I’ve never met an American girl, provider or not, who was even half as nice as they are. Women have been getting their pussy put on a pedestal for too long here in the states and it has caused mass delusion among them. I would wager the lionshare of them truly believe they are more valuable than any man, even though someone like me who has a complete understanding of all science and could lift even the heaviest of them over my head and toss them, they still think that beauty (which is a very common trait) is more valuable than strength and intellect which are not common. There is something fundamentally wrong in America and there is only one way to fix it. We all should know what that is. STOP THE SIMPING!!!

Agree 💯 Dreamy 99% of American women are toxic narcissistic. I am really considering getting an overseas lady that has old school relationship values. Just the whole mail order bride thing kinda freaks me out but

Really hit the nail on the head with this post !

As much as I want to agree with the pricing and quality sentiment, you must remember who and why these women choose this profession. There are some (i.e. Nadya) who apparently truly enjoy the work and are selective enough it hasn't tainted her attitude. But on the other hand, most of them are doing this out of sheer necessity for whatever reason. Can you imagine the garbage they are putting up with when it comes to guys in the hobby who aren't respectful, clean, or attractive? It's a tainted hobby for most of us. And I'm pretty sure it has to get to a pretty desperate circumstance before most of these providers ever get into it. Hustlers are everywhere and play on both sides here.

One final economic note, have you been to a restaurant or grocery store lately? Inflation has taken it's toll on everyone. I do believe in getting what you pay for, but let's face the fact that money doesn't go as far as it did.

I do sympathize, but I'm not sure it's ever going to get better.

The last 5 times I went over seas, I didn't get any better than the local treatment, which was very surprising. A lot of fake ads over seas as well.

I can assure you that the BS providers have to deal with pales in comparison to the BS the patrons deal with especially around here. Women nowadays get a free pass in life just for being born, it’s time to stop. Stop the simping and I can assure you things will get equal around here real quick like. Logically speaking a lot of these chicks should be paying me for being genetically and physically superior to them. Men need to be men again, enough with the weakness. Once onlyfans dies off we will know things are back to normal. I won’t be satisfied until I see those little attention hoors working a real job like everyone else. Only real providers who actually enjoy the job will be doing it after that point, and for fair prices. 500 an hour is not a fair price, 200 tops is in todays economy. I have to work for 3-4 hours to make that much money and I had to study for a decade and jump through countless hoops to have my career. They have no barriers of entry to their line of work. Realistically their work value is no more than 50 per hour, maybe 100 if you factor risks. 200 is very generous. Control yourselves gentlemen and you will control your own world.

I can assure you that the BS providers have to deal with pales in comparison to the BS the patrons deal with especially around here. Women nowadays get a free pass in life just for being born, it’s time to stop. Stop the simping and I can assure you things will get equal around here real quick like. Logically speaking a lot of these chicks should be paying me for being genetically and physically superior to them. Men need to be men again, enough with the weakness. Once onlyfans dies off we will know things are back to normal. I won’t be satisfied until I see those little attention hoors working a real job like everyone else. Only real providers who actually enjoy the job will be doing it after that point, and for fair prices. 500 an hour is not a fair price, 200 tops is in todays economy. I have to work for 3-4 hours to make that much money and I had to study for a decade and jump through countless hoops to have my career. They have no barriers of entry to their line of work. Realistically their work value is no more than 50 per hour, maybe 100 if you factor risks. 200 is very generous. Control yourselves gentlemen and you will control your own world. Originally Posted by Dr.Dreamy

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Over all you don’t have to look had to see why things are going south and fast. DEI is just the latest branding, it was toxic masculinity prior to that, and something else before that. If you think I’m nuts watch a TV show. You are hard pressed to find one that the dad, husband, brother, or boyfriend is not a clueless idiot.

I think the quality has gone way down. So far down that I working to just abandon the hobby all together. I told myself last time I had an encounter that I am never settling again. The provider has to be 8 or higher or I just not doing it at these prices. Shit man, for $500 clams I can a fishing trip for 8 hours with a pal and have something to eat. Or a hunting trip, or massages, or spa days, … the list goes on.

It has changes a lot since the rona. The best days seem over.