Newbie

Providers say no newbies and need p411. How do I see providers if no one will see newbies?

The eternal and proverbial "catch-22". Seek out providers that advertise that they are newbie-friendly even if you don't think that they are your type. Just get one or two and then you're good. P411 is great, but it's expensive.

You are in a similar position to each of us and the simple solution is to do detailed research to find a provider who will meet with newbies. Typically they have other options for screening that you might feel are acceptable.

Btw, in this sub-culture, P411 is a bargain; much less expensive than attorney fees, etc.

THe only problem with p411 is if you have to discrete they require a lot of info and if for some reason get hacked like the other dating site...divorce court will be soon. And if your self employed ..good luck. They say they destroy all info once verified, but I doubt it.

It depended on your situation.. not married p411 might be a ok risk.. but what I have learned is even with p411 most girls still want at least 2 references and could care less about p411. REFERENCES RULE THE WORLD!!!!

I have never had a girl say no because I didn't belong to p411 as long as I had references. p411 might help but only slightly.

Now on the flip side...you love to see a girl on p411...make you feel a lot less worried.

P411 is a very well run outfit. And for those that travel, is pretty much the only option available unless you keep your own list (personal book).